Hermantown A Squirt Tournament

[MrBoDangles]

Since you don't understand that there is no difference in letter designation for AA/A split during regular season and it is only meant for district play offs, regionals and state tournaments your argument isn't valid.

Argument is valid. AA does not equal A, just as last year A did not equal B1. Nothing has changed here except the letter designation. D10 did a horse poo job of this. Congrats D10 you made a point at the expense of 60 or so families. I have a couple of good friends on the losing end of this (Blaine, ER, and Andover) they explain this year as the worst they may have ever seen. Kids talking about quitting, kids faking injuries so they don't have to skate again this year ... I can't believe I'm saying this, I hate to encourage him ... but BoDiggityDangles called it. The implementation was pathetic.

I disagree it is not the districts fault that these associations decided to field an A and AA team. That would be the Associations fault not the districts. The district gave warning they were keeping the schedule how it was from their pilot last season before associations needed to designate their teams. I see that Spring Lake Park and North Country have both beaten AA teams this season. So how is this such a bad thing for those associations?

Maybe the associations that wanted AA and A teams should have looked at whats going on before fielding both teams. Maybe the associations that had AA teams should have put their second team at the B1 level instead. Not the Districts fault the Associations fault. In years past both Blaine and Elk River have had 2 B1 teams. One was usually at the top of the district the other was at the bottom. I blame the associations not the district.

Are you really that far gone?

This was all set up for Blaine, Elk River, Andover etc to have a second A team........

[greybeard58]

The set up was for the smaller associations to declare an A level team at the Peewee and Bantam knowing that they would play all A teams once and a second game with the smaller associations and also have a chance to enter tournaments where they could be competitive against other smaller associations.

[Bleed Maroon and Gold]

[quote="greybeard58"]The set up was for the smaller associations to declare an A level team at the Peewee and Bantam knowing that they would play all A teams once and a second game with the smaller associations and also have a chance to enter tournaments where they could be competitive against other smaller associations.[/quote]

I agree with you they let the associations know well in advance of when they had to declare the teams.

[elliott70]

I hope no one from Minnesota Hockey is reading this thread.

North Branch and Hermantown would be in a bit of trouble.

Perhaps all the A teams that played a B team may be facing some sanctions.


WARNING
TO ALL ASSOCIATIONS - DO NOT PLAY IN A TOURNEY THAT IS NOT AT YOUR LEVEL.
A PLAYS A (AA IS A)
B PLAYS B
C PLAYS C
This rule violation brings the most sanctions from MH. Tournament committee polices this pretty heavy.

And there is nothing a district director can d to protect you.
And they cannot give permission for this to happen (unless it is exclusive to district teams).

[MrBoDangles]

The set up was for the smaller associations to declare an A level team at the Peewee and Bantam knowing that they would play all A teams once and a second game with the smaller associations and also have a chance to enter tournaments where they could be competitive against other smaller associations.

Please name these small associations you expected to play A alone against these large associations.

Irondale would have been pounded alone
St Francis would have been pounded alone
Coon Rapids would have been pounded alone
Cambridge?
Mora?
Hinkley?
SLP is the one program that has fit in as an A team playing against SOME AA teams. The other programs would have been pounded worse. Wonder why all these associations scrambled to merge with one another? Do you think these associations wanted to play at the new two levels down, B-1?

Again, what small associations did you set up to play these large associations one time each?

Again, how many teams do you have without adding the large association's second A team?

We were told by you that AA/A would enter tournaments together. Rememer, "There's no difference between AA/A during the regular season"?

I know, you have no answer.....

[MrBoDangles]

I hope no one from Minnesota Hockey is reading this thread.

North Branch and Hermantown would be in a bit of trouble.

Perhaps all the A teams that played a B team may be facing some sanctions.


WARNING
TO ALL ASSOCIATIONS - DO NOT PLAY IN A TOURNEY THAT IS NOT AT YOUR LEVEL.
A PLAYS A (AA IS A)
B PLAYS B
C PLAYS C
This rule violation brings the most sanctions from MH. Tournament committee polices this pretty heavy.

And there is nothing a district director can d to protect you.
And they cannot give permission for this to happen (unless it is exclusive to district teams).

It is time for MNH to fold up shop then.

MNH needs to take a look in the mirror for all of their errors this season. MNH did all their blunders on purpose and they'll fine two associations for an obvious mistake? Would MNH really think they would do this on purpose, if they knew there could be "sanctions"? Do they think they would post B-1 on their website?

I have a mission if one penny is touched.

[The Trap]

I hope no one from Minnesota Hockey is reading this thread.

North Branch and Hermantown would be in a bit of trouble.

Perhaps all the A teams that played a B team may be facing some sanctions.


WARNING
TO ALL ASSOCIATIONS - DO NOT PLAY IN A TOURNEY THAT IS NOT AT YOUR LEVEL.
A PLAYS A (AA IS A)
B PLAYS B
C PLAYS C
This rule violation brings the most sanctions from MH. Tournament committee polices this pretty heavy.

And there is nothing a district director can d to protect you.
And they cannot give permission for this to happen (unless it is exclusive to district teams).

It is time for MNH to fold up shop then.

MNH needs to take a look in the mirror for all of their errors this season. MNH did all their blunders on purpose and they'll fine two associations for an obvious mistake? Would MNH really think they would do this on purpose, if they knew there could be "sanctions"? Do they think they would post B-1 on their website?

I have a mission if one penny is touched.

Listen: Regardless of what Hermantown did or did not know ahead of time, you CANNOT play up from B to A without permission from the District Director(s). Period! North Branch incurred their own violation for entering and then playing in a tournament, by rule, they are not allowed to play in. Hermantown incurred their violation by not stopping them at the door upon the roster/book check. These are facts. What they both did was in violation of MN Hockey rules. Also, like elliot70 said, any other team that played them in the tournament was in violation also, but my guess is they won't be fined as they would have assumed they were played a "A" team as they correctly entered a "A" tournament and would have no way of knowing. Sounds like you are already on a mission and there is no reasoning with you.

[Bleed Maroon and Gold]

[quote="The Trap"][quote="MrBoDangles"][quote="elliott70"]I hope no one from Minnesota Hockey is reading this thread.

North Branch and Hermantown would be in a bit of trouble.

Perhaps all the A teams that played a B team may be facing some sanctions.


WARNING
TO ALL ASSOCIATIONS - DO NOT PLAY IN A TOURNEY THAT IS NOT AT YOUR LEVEL.
A PLAYS A (AA IS A)
B PLAYS B
C PLAYS C
This rule violation brings the most sanctions from MH. Tournament committee polices this pretty heavy.

And there is nothing a district director can d to protect you.
And they cannot give permission for this to happen (unless it is exclusive to district teams).[/quote]
It is time for MNH to fold up shop then.

MNH needs to take a look in the mirror for all of their errors this season. MNH did all their blunders on purpose and they'll fine two associations for an obvious mistake? Would MNH really think they would do this on purpose, if they knew there could be "sanctions"? Do they think they would post B-1 on their website?

I have a mission if one penny is touched.

:twisted:[/quote]

Listen: Regardless of what Hermantown did or did not know ahead of time, you CANNOT play up from B to A without permission from the District Director(s). Period! North Branch incurred their own violation for entering and then playing in a tournament, by rule, they are not allowed to play in. Hermantown incurred their violation by not stopping them at the door upon the roster/book check. These are facts. What they both did was in violation of MN Hockey rules. Also, like elliot70 said, any other team that played them in the tournament was in violation also, but my guess is they won't be fined as they would have assumed they were played a "A" team as they correctly entered a "A" tournament and would have no way of knowing. Sounds like you are already on a mission and there is no reasoning with you.[/quote]


He is on a mission with MN Hockey for severalthings and there is no stopping him or reasoning with him on anything once he is made his mind up its stuck.

[MrBoDangles]

I hope no one from Minnesota Hockey is reading this thread.

North Branch and Hermantown would be in a bit of trouble.

Perhaps all the A teams that played a B team may be facing some sanctions.


WARNING
TO ALL ASSOCIATIONS - DO NOT PLAY IN A TOURNEY THAT IS NOT AT YOUR LEVEL.
A PLAYS A (AA IS A)
B PLAYS B
C PLAYS C
This rule violation brings the most sanctions from MH. Tournament committee polices this pretty heavy.

And there is nothing a district director can d to protect you.
And they cannot give permission for this to happen (unless it is exclusive to district teams).

It is time for MNH to fold up shop then.

MNH needs to take a look in the mirror for all of their errors this season. MNH did all their blunders on purpose and they'll fine two associations for an obvious mistake? Would MNH really think they would do this on purpose, if they knew there could be "sanctions"? Do they think they would post B-1 on their website?

I have a mission if one penny is touched.

Listen: Regardless of what Hermantown did or did not know ahead of time, you CANNOT play up from B to A without permission from the District Director(s). Period! North Branch incurred their own violation for entering and then playing in a tournament, by rule, they are not allowed to play in. Hermantown incurred their violation by not stopping them at the door upon the roster/book check. These are facts. What they both did was in violation of MN Hockey rules. Also, like elliot70 said, any other team that played them in the tournament was in violation also, but my guess is they won't be fined as they would have assumed they were played a "A" team as they correctly entered a "A" tournament and would have no way of knowing. Sounds like you are already on a mission and there is no reasoning with you.

I'm filled with reason, but surrounded by the unreasonable.

We wouldn't be having this conversation had Hermantown won. North Branch obviously had no idea and Hermantown found out when they went out of their way complaining that North Branch was in the tournament after the loss. Hermantown welcomed them into their tournament knowing they were a B-1 team(said it was fine they were a B-1 team), It's why they played them first.

[MrBoDangles]

Since you don't understand that there is no difference in letter designation for AA/A split during regular season and it is only meant for district play offs, regionals and state tournaments your argument isn't valid.

Argument is valid. AA does not equal A, just as last year A did not equal B1. Nothing has changed here except the letter designation. D10 did a horse poo job of this. Congrats D10 you made a point at the expense of 60 or so families. I have a couple of good friends on the losing end of this (Blaine, ER, and Andover) they explain this year as the worst they may have ever seen. Kids talking about quitting, kids faking injuries so they don't have to skate again this year ... I can't believe I'm saying this, I hate to encourage him ... but BoDiggityDangles called it. The implementation was pathetic.

I was called worse while proving what was to come.

[greybeard58]

Bo,
The PWA and Bantam A had 2 divisions AA and A everybody played each other once and a home and home with their division. I did not set up the schedule or declare the levels for the teams.
Whether you like it or not it is my understanding that D10 has a policy that all teams registered at a level will play each other at least once, whether A,B1,B2 or C, depending on the number of teams at a level the schedule could be a single round, double round or a split round either by location or in the case of the A Peewee and Bantam A/AA.
As you are well aware of the District has allowed associations to combine to place teams and players at a competitive level. Your association has been involved in a number of these.
Rogers is an A team that opted to AA, Chisago Lakes at the A Peewee and would have also been at the A Bantam till they lost players to the high school. Cambridge and Mora combined after being separate last year. Coon Rapids opted to A because of size. By the way your inclusion of Hinckley is really wild as once their players are squirts/Girls 10 or older they either skate with Mora or go North.
I had a friend at the last District 10 monthly meeting and the statement from Tim Timm was that he had asked for e-mail comments from the Presidents at the last meeting on the AA/A and so far no reply's from any President. Your President was there last monday.

[elliott70]

I hope no one from Minnesota Hockey is reading this thread.

North Branch and Hermantown would be in a bit of trouble.

Perhaps all the A teams that played a B team may be facing some sanctions.


WARNING
TO ALL ASSOCIATIONS - DO NOT PLAY IN A TOURNEY THAT IS NOT AT YOUR LEVEL.
A PLAYS A (AA IS A)
B PLAYS B
C PLAYS C
This rule violation brings the most sanctions from MH. Tournament committee polices this pretty heavy.

And there is nothing a district director can d to protect you.
And they cannot give permission for this to happen (unless it is exclusive to district teams).

It is time for MNH to fold up shop then.

MNH needs to take a look in the mirror for all of their errors this season. MNH did all their blunders on purpose and they'll fine two associations for an obvious mistake? Would MNH really think they would do this on purpose, if they knew there could be "sanctions"? Do they think they would post B-1 on their website?

I have a mission if one penny is touched.

The problem is MH has a book full of rules that are hard to follow even if someone is taking the time to read the rules.

My mission:
Make sure the local associations up here know what is in the book in general and teach them to call me if something is questionable.

[MrBoDangles]

Bo,
The PWA and Bantam A had 2 divisions AA and A everybody played each other once and a home and home with their division. I did not set up the schedule or declare the levels for the teams.
Whether you like it or not it is my understanding that D10 has a policy that all teams registered at a level will play each other at least once, whether A,B1,B2 or C, depending on the number of teams at a level the schedule could be a single round, double round or a split round either by location or in the case of the A Peewee and Bantam A/AA.
As you are well aware of the District has allowed associations to combine to place teams and players at a competitive level. Your association has been involved in a number of these.
Rogers is an A team that opted to AA, Chisago Lakes at the A Peewee and would have also been at the A Bantam till they lost players to the high school. Cambridge and Mora combined after being separate last year. Coon Rapids opted to A because of size. By the way your inclusion of Hinckley is really wild as once their players are squirts/Girls 10 or older they either skate with Mora or go North.
I had a friend at the last District 10 monthly meeting and the statement from Tim Timm was that he had asked for e-mail comments from the Presidents at the last meeting on the AA/A and so far no reply's from any President. Your President was there last monday.

I'll make it easier: Who should of declared where in all this? Elk River, Blaine, Centennial should not have declared a second A ? Did you witness the cross games between Elk River and Blaine(15-0 15-1)? You keep hiding from the truth and turn a blind eye to the numbers in the other thread.

I'm FREE. I have no president. I don't have to worry about having money taken away from 9/10 year old kids by MNH.

Are the presidents afraid of an iron fist?

[MrBoDangles]

I hope no one from Minnesota Hockey is reading this thread.

North Branch and Hermantown would be in a bit of trouble.

Perhaps all the A teams that played a B team may be facing some sanctions.


WARNING
TO ALL ASSOCIATIONS - DO NOT PLAY IN A TOURNEY THAT IS NOT AT YOUR LEVEL.
A PLAYS A (AA IS A)
B PLAYS B
C PLAYS C
This rule violation brings the most sanctions from MH. Tournament committee polices this pretty heavy.

And there is nothing a district director can d to protect you.
And they cannot give permission for this to happen (unless it is exclusive to district teams).

It is time for MNH to fold up shop then.

MNH needs to take a look in the mirror for all of their errors this season. MNH did all their blunders on purpose and they'll fine two associations for an obvious mistake? Would MNH really think they would do this on purpose, if they knew there could be "sanctions"? Do they think they would post B-1 on their website?

I have a mission if one penny is touched.

The problem is MH has a book full of rules that are hard to follow even if someone is taking the time to read the rules.

My mission:
Make sure the local associations up here no what is in the book in general and teach them to call me if something is questionable.

Sounds like MNH needs to do a better job of getting the word out and forget about the iron fist. Greybeard's example of what happened in the girls tournament made me want to puke.

For what??

[The Trap]

It is time for MNH to fold up shop then.

MNH needs to take a look in the mirror for all of their errors this season. MNH did all their blunders on purpose and they'll fine two associations for an obvious mistake? Would MNH really think they would do this on purpose, if they knew there could be "sanctions"? Do they think they would post B-1 on their website?

I have a mission if one penny is touched.

Listen: Regardless of what Hermantown did or did not know ahead of time, you CANNOT play up from B to A without permission from the District Director(s). Period! North Branch incurred their own violation for entering and then playing in a tournament, by rule, they are not allowed to play in. Hermantown incurred their violation by not stopping them at the door upon the roster/book check. These are facts. What they both did was in violation of MN Hockey rules. Also, like elliot70 said, any other team that played them in the tournament was in violation also, but my guess is they won't be fined as they would have assumed they were played a "A" team as they correctly entered a "A" tournament and would have no way of knowing. Sounds like you are already on a mission and there is no reasoning with you.

I'm filled with reason, but surrounded by the unreasonable.

We wouldn't be having this conversation had Hermantown won. North Branch obviously had no idea and Hermantown found out when they went out of their way complaining that North Branch was in the tournament after the loss. Hermantown welcomed them into their tournament knowing they were a B-1 team(said it was fine they were a B-1 team), It's why they played them first.

Had nothing to do with Hermantown's loss to them. Someone else blew the whistle on them and Hermantown was told they had no choice but to kick them out. Get your facts straight.

[The Trap]

The problem is MH has a book full of rules that are hard to follow even if someone is taking the time to read the rules.

My mission:
Make sure the local associations up here no what is in the book in general and teach them to call me if something is questionable.

Finally, a voice of reason. Thank you!

[MrBoDangles]

Listen: Regardless of what Hermantown did or did not know ahead of time, you CANNOT play up from B to A without permission from the District Director(s). Period! North Branch incurred their own violation for entering and then playing in a tournament, by rule, they are not allowed to play in. Hermantown incurred their violation by not stopping them at the door upon the roster/book check. These are facts. What they both did was in violation of MN Hockey rules. Also, like elliot70 said, any other team that played them in the tournament was in violation also, but my guess is they won't be fined as they would have assumed they were played a "A" team as they correctly entered a "A" tournament and would have no way of knowing. Sounds like you are already on a mission and there is no reasoning with you.

I'm filled with reason, but surrounded by the unreasonable.

We wouldn't be having this conversation had Hermantown won. North Branch obviously had no idea and Hermantown found out when they went out of their way complaining that North Branch was in the tournament after the loss. Hermantown welcomed them into their tournament knowing they were a B-1 team(said it was fine they were a B-1 team), It's why they played them first.

Had nothing to do with Hermantown's loss to them. Someone else blew the whistle on them and Hermantown was told they had no choice but to kick them out. Get your facts straight.

I'd probably check your facts.

[MrBoDangles]

The problem is MH has a book full of rules that are hard to follow even if someone is taking the time to read the rules.

My mission:
Make sure the local associations up here no what is in the book in general and teach them to call me if something is questionable.

Finally, a voice of reason. Thank you!

We'd be in much better shape with more like him.

[the_juiceman]

The set up was for the smaller associations to declare an A level team at the Peewee and Bantam knowing that they would play all A teams once and a second game with the smaller associations and also have a chance to enter tournaments where they could be competitive against other smaller associations.

Please name these small associations you expected to play A alone against these large associations.

Irondale would have been pounded alone
St Francis would have been pounded alone
Coon Rapids would have been pounded alone
Cambridge?
Mora?
Hinkley?
SLP is the one program that has fit in as an A team playing against SOME AA teams. The other programs would have been pounded worse. Wonder why all these associations scrambled to merge with one another? Do you think these associations wanted to play at the new two levels down, B-1?

Again, what small associations did you set up to play these large associations one time each?

Again, how many teams do you have without adding the large association's second A team?

We were told by you that AA/A would enter tournaments together. Rememer, "There's no difference between AA/A during the regular season"?

I know, you have no answer.....

CR was alone--and for the most part struggled against AA teams

[The Trap]

I'm filled with reason, but surrounded by the unreasonable.

We wouldn't be having this conversation had Hermantown won. North Branch obviously had no idea and Hermantown found out when they went out of their way complaining that North Branch was in the tournament after the loss. Hermantown welcomed them into their tournament knowing they were a B-1 team(said it was fine they were a B-1 team), It's why they played them first.

Had nothing to do with Hermantown's loss to them. Someone else blew the whistle on them and Hermantown was told they had no choice but to kick them out. Get your facts straight.

I'd probably check your facts.

Ahh . . . . those are the facts. I was there. If NB can stop hyperventilating long enough to listen, when the whistle was blown that a B was playing in a A tourney, or when someone finally figured out it was illegal, Hermantown was told by MN Hockey officials that the B team was not allowed to play. When the smoke cleared and it was found out the damage was already done, they were allowed to continue to play. Hermantown was just trying to save their own hide from the big fine but it was too late. NB getting fined also I am hearing.

[the_juiceman]

It is time for MNH to fold up shop then.

MNH needs to take a look in the mirror for all of their errors this season. MNH did all their blunders on purpose and they'll fine two associations for an obvious mistake? Would MNH really think they would do this on purpose, if they knew there could be "sanctions"? Do they think they would post B-1 on their website?

I have a mission if one penny is touched.

Listen: Regardless of what Hermantown did or did not know ahead of time, you CANNOT play up from B to A without permission from the District Director(s). Period! North Branch incurred their own violation for entering and then playing in a tournament, by rule, they are not allowed to play in. Hermantown incurred their violation by not stopping them at the door upon the roster/book check. These are facts. What they both did was in violation of MN Hockey rules. Also, like elliot70 said, any other team that played them in the tournament was in violation also, but my guess is they won't be fined as they would have assumed they were played a "A" team as they correctly entered a "A" tournament and would have no way of knowing. Sounds like you are already on a mission and there is no reasoning with you.

He is on a mission with MN Hockey for severalthings and there is no stopping him or reasoning with him on anything once he is made his mind up its stuck.

Where is the NB president in all of this? How could he allow his B1 to register for and play in an A tournament?

[MrBoDangles]

Had nothing to do with Hermantown's loss to them. Someone else blew the whistle on them and Hermantown was told they had no choice but to kick them out. Get your facts straight.

I'd probably check your facts.

Ahh . . . . those are the facts. I was there. If NB can stop hyperventilating long enough to listen, when the whistle was blown that a B was playing in a A tourney, or when someone finally figured out it was illegal, Hermantown was told by MN Hockey officials that the B team was not allowed to play. When the smoke cleared and it was found out the damage was already done, they were allowed to continue to play. Hermantown was just trying to save their own hide from the big fine but it was too late. NB getting fined also I am hearing.

I heard there were many E-mails with Hermantown officials saying it would be a good experience for a strong B-1 team. "Hyperventilating" was probably from the total lack of class shown by all ages of Hermantown folks from the very start of the tournament: Fangs and horns after fridays loss.


"someone finally figured out it was illegal" Exactly!!!

[Ugottobekiddingme]

I'd probably check your facts.

Ahh . . . . those are the facts. I was there. If NB can stop hyperventilating long enough to listen, when the whistle was blown that a B was playing in a A tourney, or when someone finally figured out it was illegal, Hermantown was told by MN Hockey officials that the B team was not allowed to play. When the smoke cleared and it was found out the damage was already done, they were allowed to continue to play. Hermantown was just trying to save their own hide from the big fine but it was too late. NB getting fined also I am hearing.

I heard there were many E-mails with Hermantown officials saying it would be a good experience for a strong B-1 team. "Hyperventilating" was probably from the total lack of class shown by all ages of Hermantown folks from the very start of the tournament: Fangs and horns after fridays loss.


"someone finally figured out it was illegal" Exactly!!!

Good Grief, we are toddlling over squirt age kids in a Hermantown tourney? So much for the proposed Pepsi center in North Branch after Bo's tyrant..nice community organizing skills. The point that has been missed in all of this discussion is if kids were placed at the appropriate level? AA, A, B1, B2, or C...watched them all and association hockey has issues. But who cares, it's all about fun and figuring out where $385,000 went within D2.

[MrBoDangles]

Ahh . . . . those are the facts. I was there. If NB can stop hyperventilating long enough to listen, when the whistle was blown that a B was playing in a A tourney, or when someone finally figured out it was illegal, Hermantown was told by MN Hockey officials that the B team was not allowed to play. When the smoke cleared and it was found out the damage was already done, they were allowed to continue to play. Hermantown was just trying to save their own hide from the big fine but it was too late. NB getting fined also I am hearing.

I heard there were many E-mails with Hermantown officials saying it would be a good experience for a strong B-1 team. "Hyperventilating" was probably from the total lack of class shown by all ages of Hermantown folks from the very start of the tournament: Fangs and horns after fridays loss.


"someone finally figured out it was illegal" Exactly!!!

Good Grief, we are toddlling over squirt age kids in a Hermantown tourney? So much for the proposed Pepsi center in North Branch after Bo's tyrant..nice community organizing skills. The point that has been missed in all of this discussion is if kids were placed at the appropriate level? AA, A, B1, B2, or C...watched them all and association hockey has issues. But who cares, it's all about fun and figuring out where $385,000 went within D2.

Ironic: The BEST tear filled tirade I've ever seen on here is when your Elk River boy (playing B-1 at the time) didn't make the advanced 15's a couple years back.