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now its getting real interesting...Hockeytownwest wrote:Funny how the parents didn't have problem a few weeks ago using Cloquet squirt A goalie for the Two Harbors tournament. I wonder if both associations presidents new about that or the the district knew about it. Win at all cost. Nice work H-Town. Real classy.
if their goalie was hurt, and no goalies in the assc. available to move up, and they go thru proper channels, and it does'nt interfer with cloquet's game schedule, what's wrong with it?Hockeytownwest wrote:Funny how the parents didn't have problem a few weeks ago using Cloquet squirt A goalie for the Two Harbors tournament. I wonder if both associations presidents new about that or the the district knew about it. Win at all cost. Nice work H-Town. Real classy.
Before we pile on Hermantown too much here, how about North Branch? They aren't innocent in this. Why did a "B1" team enter a "A" tournament to begin with? Clearly against the rules of Minnesota Hockey. If they wanted to play in "A" tournaments, why not have "A" team? Sure they beat Hermantown's "A" team, but they did it with the equivalent to a "A" team as they have 3 squirt teams in their association; a B1, B2 and C team.redhawk21 wrote:Maybe should look at losing to B1 team as motivating factor to get better.
From what I have heard 9 of the 13 players on the North Branch B1 team were A Mites last year and I would imagine that is why they opted for B1 instead of A. Not only that but they are a very small association with about 35 squirts total in those 3 teams so I think it's great that they were able to not only compete with the Hermantown A team but beat them. You don't just get to walk into any tournament without proper authorizations and as MrBoDangles pointed out NB was listed on the website as B1, they knew. I don't think it was by accident that Hermantown had NB as their first game, they expected a B1 team, they didn't expect to lose.The Trap wrote:Before we pile on Hermantown too much here, how about North Branch? They aren't innocent in this. Why did a "B1" team enter a "A" tournament to begin with? Clearly against the rules of Minnesota Hockey. If they wanted to play in "A" tournaments, why not have "A" team? Sure they beat Hermantown's "A" team, but they did it with the equivalent to a "A" team as they have 3 squirt teams in their association; a B1, B2 and C team.redhawk21 wrote:Maybe should look at losing to B1 team as motivating factor to get better.
The folks holding the tournament should know the rules!!!! The North Branch coaches thought they were all clear after talking to higher ups from both parties.The Trap wrote:Really???? From who?Uncle Si wrote: You don't just get to walk into any tournament without proper authorizations
Wrong, they both should know the rules! Hermantown doesn't make the rules . . . . . Minnesota Hockey does. If supposedly Hermantown did tell them it was ok, they are not the authority on the subject, MN Hockey is. Read the rule book. Page 27 in MN Hockey Handbook. I'm still wondering why a B1 team wants to enter a A tourney to begin with?MrBoDangles wrote:The folks holding the tournament should know the rules!!!! The North Branch coaches thought they were all clear after talking to higher ups from both parties.The Trap wrote:Really???? From who?Uncle Si wrote: You don't just get to walk into any tournament without proper authorizations
North Branch B-1(B-1 was on there) was listed on your A squirt tournament teams for over two months on your website. ALL the other teams knew North Branch was B-1 going in.
I sure hope Hermantown had proper authorization since it was their tournament.
Trap, sounds like Hermantown will have plenty of time to think if this actually wasn't cleared.greybeard58 wrote:There will probably be more coming, a number of years ago at a 12A Girls tournament an association allowed 2 12B teams in. End result the association was fined and was not allowed to hold a 12A invitational tournament for 2 years and also were fined and since they had removed the teams after the first round, all expenses (motel rooms and tournament fee) were also included. The 2 12B coaches were also punished for the violation of Mn Hockey rules, A teams do not play B teams without approval of the District Director(s).
Both Hermantown and North Branch will have time to think about it as they both will probably be penning checks to MN Hockey for the violation. No matter what Hermantown told them, they were in violation of a rule.MrBoDangles wrote:Trap, sounds like Hermantown will have plenty of time to think if this actually wasn't cleared.greybeard58 wrote:There will probably be more coming, a number of years ago at a 12A Girls tournament an association allowed 2 12B teams in. End result the association was fined and was not allowed to hold a 12A invitational tournament for 2 years and also were fined and since they had removed the teams after the first round, all expenses (motel rooms and tournament fee) were also included. The 2 12B coaches were also punished for the violation of Mn Hockey rules, A teams do not play B teams without approval of the District Director(s).
Kinda like getting on jet with a drunken pilot.
Grey, If this is the case, District 10 should get a six figure fine for allowing A teams to get slaughtered by AA teams all year in district play. Pay back the families for all the wasted time and money spent.
9/10 year old kids just looking to try their skills against the big boys......
From the sound of Greybeards post, Hemantown will take the brunt of it.The Trap wrote:Both Hermantown and North Branch will have time to think about it as they both will probably be penning checks to MN Hockey for the violation. No matter what Hermantown told them, they were in violation of a rule.MrBoDangles wrote:Trap, sounds like Hermantown will have plenty of time to think if this actually wasn't cleared.greybeard58 wrote:There will probably be more coming, a number of years ago at a 12A Girls tournament an association allowed 2 12B teams in. End result the association was fined and was not allowed to hold a 12A invitational tournament for 2 years and also were fined and since they had removed the teams after the first round, all expenses (motel rooms and tournament fee) were also included. The 2 12B coaches were also punished for the violation of Mn Hockey rules, A teams do not play B teams without approval of the District Director(s).
Kinda like getting on jet with a drunken pilot.
Grey, If this is the case, District 10 should get a six figure fine for allowing A teams to get slaughtered by AA teams all year in district play. Pay back the families for all the wasted time and money spent.
9/10 year old kids just looking to try their skills against the big boys......
A teams playing AA teams are technically only for the playoffs. Do not need any special permission for them to play during the season.
MrBoDangles wrote:From the sound of Greybeards post, Hemantown will take the brunt of it.The Trap wrote:Both Hermantown and North Branch will have time to think about it as they both will probably be penning checks to MN Hockey for the violation. No matter what Hermantown told them, they were in violation of a rule.MrBoDangles wrote: Trap, sounds like Hermantown will have plenty of time to think if this actually wasn't cleared.
Kinda like getting on jet with a drunken pilot.
Grey, If this is the case, District 10 should get a six figure fine for allowing A teams to get slaughtered by AA teams all year in district play. Pay back the families for all the wasted time and money spent.
9/10 year old kids just looking to try their skills against the big boys......
A teams playing AA teams are technically only for the playoffs. Do not need any special permission for them to play during the season.
If it wasn't ok'd...
Greybeard is talking fines because of mixing levels and yet we have a slaughter fest going on in District 10 with the AA/A levels...? We, the people, should maybe fine the districts to keep THEM in line....... But now the kids in an association that is STRUGGLING to build a rink for the kids will get fined? Should the kids to turn in their skates at the next District 10 meeting too? The AA/A thing was forced, not the same as choosing as a team to enter a tournament.
You just nailed my point!!!Bleed Maroon and Gold wrote:MrBoDangles wrote:From the sound of Greybeards post, Hemantown will take the brunt of it.The Trap wrote: Both Hermantown and North Branch will have time to think about it as they both will probably be penning checks to MN Hockey for the violation. No matter what Hermantown told them, they were in violation of a rule.
A teams playing AA teams are technically only for the playoffs. Do not need any special permission for them to play during the season.
If it wasn't ok'd...
Greybeard is talking fines because of mixing levels and yet we have a slaughter fest going on in District 10 with the AA/A levels...? We, the people, should maybe fine the districts to keep THEM in line....... But now the kids in an association that is STRUGGLING to build a rink for the kids will get fined? Should the kids to turn in their skates at the next District 10 meeting too? The AA/A thing was forced, not the same as choosing as a team to enter a tournament.
Since you don't understand that there is no difference in letter designation for AA/A split during regular season and it is only meant for district play offs, regionals and state tournaments your argument isn't valid.
Should A high schools say no we won't play AA high school because we will lose. No those schools want to play the AA high schools to get better and most of the A pee wee and bantam teams want the same thing. Maybe we should fine you for being ignorant.
Argument is valid. AA does not equal A, just as last year A did not equal B1. Nothing has changed here except the letter designation. D10 did a horse poo job of this. Congrats D10 you made a point at the expense of 60 or so families. I have a couple of good friends on the losing end of this (Blaine, ER, and Andover) they explain this year as the worst they may have ever seen. Kids talking about quitting, kids faking injuries so they don't have to skate again this year ... I can't believe I'm saying this, I hate to encourage him ... but BoDiggityDangles called it. The implementation was pathetic.Bleed Maroon and Gold wrote:Since you don't understand that there is no difference in letter designation for AA/A split during regular season and it is only meant for district play offs, regionals and state tournaments your argument isn't valid.
I disagree it is not the districts fault that these associations decided to field an A and AA team. That would be the Associations fault not the districts. The district gave warning they were keeping the schedule how it was from their pilot last season before associations needed to designate their teams. I see that Spring Lake Park and North Country have both beaten AA teams this season. So how is this such a bad thing for those associations?DrGaf wrote:Argument is valid. AA does not equal A, just as last year A did not equal B1. Nothing has changed here except the letter designation. D10 did a horse poo job of this. Congrats D10 you made a point at the expense of 60 or so families. I have a couple of good friends on the losing end of this (Blaine, ER, and Andover) they explain this year as the worst they may have ever seen. Kids talking about quitting, kids faking injuries so they don't have to skate again this year ... I can't believe I'm saying this, I hate to encourage him ... but BoDiggityDangles called it. The implementation was pathetic.Bleed Maroon and Gold wrote:Since you don't understand that there is no difference in letter designation for AA/A split during regular season and it is only meant for district play offs, regionals and state tournaments your argument isn't valid.
