who will win peewee A state tourney

the_juiceman · Post by **the_juiceman** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:15 am

Snoopdog007 wrote:There are three or four teams at the top of the Peewee B1 ranks that would compete for the Peewee A title. OK - just kiding. I just wanted to stir things up. I don't follow Peewee A hockey like the most of you on this thread but why does Farmington and Rosemount have so few players? Is there some built in bench shortening going on at this level? I'm sure there are some very good teams but what would happen if top associations only skated their top 13-14 players and left the rest for lower teams? Just curious. My kid is a lowly 1st year B1 peewee so don't hate on me. Inquiring minds want to know.

if there is a distinct talent drop from the 14th to the 15th player, why would you take more? It does no good to take 3 or 4 more kids to just fill out a roster. Their ice time would be shortened, no PP or PK time--this leads to parents complaining about ice time. This also allows for those few so called bubble kids to get alot of touches at the b level, improve skills, gain confidence, and become better players. The mega associations don't have as big of a drop from their 13th player to their 16th or 17th, due to sheer numbers, unlike most mid size or smaller numbered associations.

dogeatdog1 · Post by **dogeatdog1** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:01 am

the_juiceman wrote:
Snoopdog007 wrote:There are three or four teams at the top of the Peewee B1 ranks that would compete for the Peewee A title. OK - just kiding. I just wanted to stir things up. I don't follow Peewee A hockey like the most of you on this thread but why does Farmington and Rosemount have so few players? Is there some built in bench shortening going on at this level? I'm sure there are some very good teams but what would happen if top associations only skated their top 13-14 players and left the rest for lower teams? Just curious. My kid is a lowly 1st year B1 peewee so don't hate on me. Inquiring minds want to know.
if there is a distinct talent drop from the 14th to the 15th player, why would you take more? It does no good to take 3 or 4 more kids to just fill out a roster. Their ice time would be shortened, no PP or PK time--this leads to parents complaining about ice time. This also allows for those few so called bubble kids to get alot of touches at the b level, improve skills, gain confidence, and become better players. The mega associations don't have as big of a drop from their 13th player to their 16th or 17th, due to sheer numbers, unlike most mid size or smaller numbered associations.

The age old question... do we develop kids to win at Peewees or win at the Highschool level? I will bet that you will not see Farmington at the Highschool tourney with these 10 kids that play most of the game but they may have a state peewee title on their shelves. You will probably see Edina as 7-10 of those kids won't make the highschool team but there will be kids to step in. My 2 cents.

HockeyGuy81 · Post by **HockeyGuy81** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:14 am

the_juiceman wrote:
Snoopdog007 wrote:There are three or four teams at the top of the Peewee B1 ranks that would compete for the Peewee A title. OK - just kiding. I just wanted to stir things up. I don't follow Peewee A hockey like the most of you on this thread but why does Farmington and Rosemount have so few players? Is there some built in bench shortening going on at this level? I'm sure there are some very good teams but what would happen if top associations only skated their top 13-14 players and left the rest for lower teams? Just curious. My kid is a lowly 1st year B1 peewee so don't hate on me. Inquiring minds want to know.
if there is a distinct talent drop from the 14th to the 15th player, why would you take more? It does no good to take 3 or 4 more kids to just fill out a roster. Their ice time would be shortened, no PP or PK time--this leads to parents complaining about ice time. This also allows for those few so called bubble kids to get alot of touches at the b level, improve skills, gain confidence, and become better players. The mega associations don't have as big of a drop from their 13th player to their 16th or 17th, due to sheer numbers, unlike most mid size or smaller numbered associations.

With Rosemount also having a Peewee B team in the state tournament, is it safe to say that there isn't a distinct drop in players and they easilly could have had more on the A team?

oldtimer64 · Post by **oldtimer64** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:47 am

HockeyGuy81 wrote:
the_juiceman wrote:
Snoopdog007 wrote:There are three or four teams at the top of the Peewee B1 ranks that would compete for the Peewee A title. OK - just kiding. I just wanted to stir things up. I don't follow Peewee A hockey like the most of you on this thread but why does Farmington and Rosemount have so few players? Is there some built in bench shortening going on at this level? I'm sure there are some very good teams but what would happen if top associations only skated their top 13-14 players and left the rest for lower teams? Just curious. My kid is a lowly 1st year B1 peewee so don't hate on me. Inquiring minds want to know.
if there is a distinct talent drop from the 14th to the 15th player, why would you take more? It does no good to take 3 or 4 more kids to just fill out a roster. Their ice time would be shortened, no PP or PK time--this leads to parents complaining about ice time. This also allows for those few so called bubble kids to get alot of touches at the b level, improve skills, gain confidence, and become better players. The mega associations don't have as big of a drop from their 13th player to their 16th or 17th, due to sheer numbers, unlike most mid size or smaller numbered associations.
With Rosemount also having a Peewee B team in the state tournament, is it safe to say that there isn't a distinct drop in players and they easilly could have had more on the A team?

Rosemount Peewee A coach cut a kid that was a first year Peewee A player last year to the Peewee B1 team and than the A team only carried 13 this year.

supertacks · Post by **supertacks** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:06 pm

oldtimer64 wrote:
HockeyGuy81 wrote:
the_juiceman wrote: if there is a distinct talent drop from the 14th to the 15th player, why would you take more? It does no good to take 3 or 4 more kids to just fill out a roster. Their ice time would be shortened, no PP or PK time--this leads to parents complaining about ice time. This also allows for those few so called bubble kids to get alot of touches at the b level, improve skills, gain confidence, and become better players. The mega associations don't have as big of a drop from their 13th player to their 16th or 17th, due to sheer numbers, unlike most mid size or smaller numbered associations.
With Rosemount also having a Peewee B team in the state tournament, is it safe to say that there isn't a distinct drop in players and they easilly could have had more on the A team?
Rosemount Peewee A coach cut a kid that was a first year Peewee A player last year to the Peewee B1 team and than the A team only carried 13 this year.

ouch... That's hardcore!

dogeatdog1 · Post by **dogeatdog1** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:54 pm

supertacks wrote:
oldtimer64 wrote:
HockeyGuy81 wrote: With Rosemount also having a Peewee B team in the state tournament, is it safe to say that there isn't a distinct drop in players and they easilly could have had more on the A team?
Rosemount Peewee A coach cut a kid that was a first year Peewee A player last year to the Peewee B1 team and than the A team only carried 13 this year.
ouch... That's hardcore!

as I said anything to win at peewees.

Wildcathcky · Post by **Wildcathcky** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:20 pm

oldtimer64 wrote:
HockeyGuy81 wrote:
the_juiceman wrote: if there is a distinct talent drop from the 14th to the 15th player, why would you take more? It does no good to take 3 or 4 more kids to just fill out a roster. Their ice time would be shortened, no PP or PK time--this leads to parents complaining about ice time. This also allows for those few so called bubble kids to get alot of touches at the b level, improve skills, gain confidence, and become better players. The mega associations don't have as big of a drop from their 13th player to their 16th or 17th, due to sheer numbers, unlike most mid size or smaller numbered associations.
With Rosemount also having a Peewee B team in the state tournament, is it safe to say that there isn't a distinct drop in players and they easilly could have had more on the A team?
Rosemount Peewee A coach cut a kid that was a first year Peewee A player last year to the Peewee B1 team and than the A team only carried 13 this year.

How many skaters does the Rosemount B team carry? Perhaps the overall peewee numbers in that association supported 13 skaters per team.

The kid getting cut as a returning A player is something that doesn't happen too often (never in our association that I can recall). However, kids develop at different rates and the strength of candidates from year to year can be vastly different so I can see how it could happen.

The fact that the B team is successful doesn't necessarily mean that there wasn't a distinct difference in talent between #13 and 14. The talent difference between a top A team and a top B team is pretty dramatic IMO. Another possibility is that the kid shouldn't have made the A team last year. We all have stories of kids who should/could have been replaced by the last kid cut.

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:22 pm

Any scores yet???

puckfan · Post by **puckfan** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:51 pm

Wayzata 4
Elk River 3

Wayzata up 1-0 then I think ER went up 3-1 or so and Wayzata comes back to win.

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:22 pm

Sounds like a great game. Next up Rapids or Farmington.

the_juiceman · Post by **the_juiceman** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:40 pm

Wildcathcky wrote:
oldtimer64 wrote:
HockeyGuy81 wrote: With Rosemount also having a Peewee B team in the state tournament, is it safe to say that there isn't a distinct drop in players and they easilly could have had more on the A team?
Rosemount Peewee A coach cut a kid that was a first year Peewee A player last year to the Peewee B1 team and than the A team only carried 13 this year.
How many skaters does the Rosemount B team carry? Perhaps the overall peewee numbers in that association supported 13 skaters per team.

The kid getting cut as a returning A player is something that doesn't happen too often (never in our association that I can recall). However, kids develop at different rates and the strength of candidates from year to year can be vastly different so I can see how it could happen.

The fact that the B team is successful doesn't necessarily mean that there wasn't a distinct difference in talent between #13 and 14. The talent difference between a top A team and a top B team is pretty dramatic IMO. Another possibility is that the kid shouldn't have made the A team last year. We all have stories of kids who should/could have been replaced by the last kid cut.

i've also heard of associations that want at least 3-4 first year kids on the "A" team for leadership the following year. Which could put a few of the 2nd year "bubble" kids down to the "B" team.

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:22 pm

The kid is by no means a "bubble kid". His dad made the choice.

brooks · Post by **brooks** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:41 pm

Farmington scores on the powerplay in triple overtime to beat Grand Rapids 2-1.

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:47 pm

What were the shots?

ThePuckStopsHere · Post by **ThePuckStopsHere** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:16 pm

Wow BIG could your ice being any worse?? Sitting staring at puddles of water right now, we should have brought our swim trunks!!

tjkhavgam · Post by **tjkhavgam** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:23 pm

Any updates on the other 2 games?

Jbone · Post by **Jbone** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:25 pm

So proud to hear Farmington Hockey doing well. Keep up the great work and effort.

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:35 pm

Edina 7 Blaine 2. Rosemount 0 Moorhead 0 in the 2nd.

thunderwolf · Post by **thunderwolf** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:35 pm

Edina 7 - Blaine 2

Jbone · Post by **Jbone** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 5:46 pm

Farmington wins another one to head to the Championship tomorrow. They'll play the winner of Rosemount/ Edina.

What were the outcomes between Farmington and these two teams?

Skatesharpener · Post by **Skatesharpener** » Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:43 am

Jbone wrote:Farmington wins another one to head to the Championship tomorrow. They'll play the winner of Rosemount/ Edina.

What were the outcomes between Farmington and these two teams?

Edina beat Rosemount 10 ~ 1 last night. Ouch. Didn't see that one coming. F-town and Edina have tied once and F-town beat them once in the semi-final of Edina's New Year's tourney at Braemar 3 - 2. Tigers put the puck inthe net with about 20 seconds left in regulation for the game winner.