2010-11 LPH Rankings

observer · Post by **observer** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:37 pm

That's one of the beauties of HS hockey is there is a JV team and calling players up isn't a problem. Rosters can change week to week. Just seems so focused on the W-L record as opposed to the experience. Small roster seems a little more of a AAA mentality. It's one thing for the small programs where skater #17 isn't close to skater #12 but for the larger programs to take this approach seems surprising. Even if the 4th line doesn't get much ice historically they're at least invited along.

capitalist · Post by **capitalist** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:55 pm

Minnetonka isn't exactly loaded for bear. They don't have a really big-time scorer on the team (they were led by a D last year of course and will this year too). Remember, last year they had trouble scoring against good teams, like they were shut out by Edina and twice by Hopkins. I assume this year will be the same.
That group that took them to the U12 state tournaments is now sophomores and juniors and they're very good, but they're not scary offensively at this level. They didn't look that great the second half of the game vs. HM.

Gov78 · Post by **Gov78** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:26 pm

Tonka girls numbers are down this year compared to previous years as they invited back kids cut last year to get a full JV team in place. With that said there's only a couple at JV who will get much of a varsity shot this year but a handful who could play for most other HS programs.

Big drop off from top few JV players to all the rest.

HS coach didn't want to pull from 14U and cause number issues there unless the player was a varsity lock or goalie and there was only one of each.

capitalist · Post by **capitalist** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:57 pm

Gov78 wrote:....
HS coach didn't want to pull from 14U and cause number issues there unless the player was a varsity lock or goalie and there was only one of each.

I think that's a sign that it's a well-run program. Numbers rise and fall, elite-type players come and go, but a coach who sees the big picture and doesn't panic and rush 8th graders and freshman into places they don't belong will have a strong team without drama year in and year out.
Coach Scheid at Stillwater has found success with this formula. His Varsity roster this year features zero freshmen. Last year there was one freshman to start the season and a couple more 'earned' V playing time eventually as the season went on. The 8th graders play U14.

sinbin · Post by **sinbin** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:03 am

Tonka doesn't have numbers issues at 14U, but they do at JV and Varsity. Play-up policy has changed from year to year. That being said, varsity, although a small team, is very strong. Just need to avoid illness and injury and have enough wheels left at season's end.

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:58 pm

LPH - November 18th

High School Girls AA
1 MINNETONKA
2 Edina
3 Roseville
4 Hill-Murray
5 Roseau
6 Stillwater
7 Benilde-St. Margaret’s
8 Lakeville South
9 Elk River/Zimmerman
10 Irondale
11 Hopkins
12 Centennial
13 White Bear Lake
14 Coon Rapids
15 Eden Prairie
16 Mounds View
17 Burnsville
18 Hastings
19 Grand Rapids/Greenway
20 Rosemount

High School Girls A
1 WARROAD
2 Breck
3 Blake
4 Mound-Westonka
5 South St. Paul
6 East Grand Forks
7 Crookston
8 Alexandria
9 Totino-Grace
10 Red Wing
11 Rogers
12 Eveleth-Gilbert
13 Chisago Lakes
14 Faribault
15 Orono
16 Visitation/SPA United
17 Simley
18 Morris/Benson Area
19 Hutchinson
20 Mankato West

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:56 am

LPH - November 24th

High School Girls AA
1 MINNETONKA
2 Edina
3 Roseville
4 Stillwater
5 Roseau
6 Elk River/Zimmerman
7 Benilde-St. Margaret’s
8 Lakeville South
9 Hill-Murray
10 Irondale
11 Hopkins
12 Coon Rapids
13 White Bear Lake
14 Eden Prairie
15 Mounds View
16 Rosemount
17 Hastings
18 Centennial
19 Burnsville
20 Anoka

High School Girls A
1 WARROAD
2 Breck
3 Blake
4 Mound-Westonka
5 South St. Paul
6 Alexandria
7 East Grand Forks
8 Crookston
9 Totino-Grace
10 Rogers
11 Eveleth-Gilbert
12 Chisago Lakes
13 Red Wing
14 Orono
15 Faribault
16 Simley
17 Morris/Benson Area
18 Visitation/SPA United
19 Mankato West
20 Thief River Falls

grlzhockeyrocks · Post by **grlzhockeyrocks** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:37 am

I have never paid much attention to the LPH rankings, usually based on emotional B.S. and nothing really scientific. I can't remember who, but someone in years past has posted a weekly ranking called the KACH (I think) system. It took in several factors such as difficulty of schedule and used a mathematical formula to come up with rankings. Does anyone know what or who did this in the past? Much more accurate than anything I have seen to date.

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:07 am

grlzhockeyrocks wrote:I have never paid much attention to the LPH rankings, usually based on emotional B.S. and nothing really scientific. I can't remember who, but someone in years past has posted a weekly ranking called the KACH (I think) system. It took in several factors such as difficulty of schedule and used a mathematical formula to come up with rankings. Does anyone know what or who did this in the past? Much more accurate than anything I have seen to date.

The system is called KRACH, and on this forum it has traditionally been maintained by ghshockeyfan. No indication yet that he will do it for this year.

sinbin · Post by **sinbin** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:21 am

I looked at KRACH last year and, while I would have added a few tweaks, I liked it's mathematical and statistical components vs. the LPH emotional and political components and thought it did a very good job. That being said, hockey is an emotional game and you'll always have some occasional strange results, but KRACH does a better job with the more data it has. Early season LPH probably is better because KRACH doesn't yet have the data, but KRACH quickly takes over and has a much better predictive value.

Bandy · Post by **Bandy** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:13 pm

LPH rankings for Dec 2 are out. Still no top 20 for Shakopee, despite a 6-1-1 record including some very lopsided wins. Only loss was to Hopkins (3-1-1), and tied Anoka (4-0-1) while Hespenheide (one of state's top scorers) was out sick. Hmmmm....
http://www.letsplayhockey.com/1024rankings.pdf

ShotNAGoal · Post by **ShotNAGoal** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:49 pm

I think the non ranking for Shakopee is correct. Tied #16 Anoka and lost to #18 Hopkins. Have not played another top 20 team and the way to get in the rankings is to beat top 20 teams. Has not happened yet.

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:22 am

LPH - December 2nd

High School Girls AA
1 MINNETONKA
2 Edina
3 Roseville
4 Roseau
5 Stillwater
6 Lakeville South
7 Coon Rapids
8 Benilde-St. Margaret’s
9 Irondale
10 Eden Prairie
11 Hill-Murray
12 Elk River/Zimmerman
13 Rosemount
14 White Bear Lake
15 Hastings
16 Anoka
17 Mounds View
18 Hopkins
19 Grand Rapids/Greenway
20 Burnsville

High School Girls A
1 WARROAD
2 Blake
3 Breck
4 Mound-Westonka
5 South St. Paul
6 Crookston
7 East Grand Forks
8 Alexandria
9 Totino-Grace
10 Red Wing
11 Rogers
12 Chisago Lakes
13 Orono
14 Eveleth-Gilbert
15 Thief River Falls
16 Simley
17 Mankato East
18 New Prague
19 Mankato West
20 Faribault

hands of stone · Post by **hands of stone** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 10:13 am

rosemount is 5-0 and have beaten some pretty good teams, they should be higher up in the rankings

allhoc11 · Post by **allhoc11** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:02 am

hands of stone wrote:rosemount is 5-0 and have beaten some pretty good teams, they should be higher up in the rankings

I agree rosemount is a solid squad, I've only seen them play once this year, but they have two scoring lines, and some solid D, but I think most the teams above them have better goaltending. On seeing them play I thought they should be a top 10 team, but then I look at this list, and I wouldn't move any of the teams above them down, so 13 seams like a good spot for now, if they beat L. South then we can talk.

allhoc11 · Post by **allhoc11** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:07 am

sinbin wrote:I looked at KRACH last year and, while I would have added a few tweaks, I liked it's mathematical and statistical components vs. the LPH emotional and political components and thought it did a very good job. That being said, hockey is an emotional game and you'll always have some occasional strange results, but KRACH does a better job with the more data it has. Early season LPH probably is better because KRACH doesn't yet have the data, but KRACH quickly takes over and has a much better predictive value.

Agreed, it seems like in past years KRACH has a few oddities early in the season, but typically after the holiday tournament time, it seemed pretty spot on IMO

Bandy · Post by **Bandy** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 3:04 pm

Dec 9 is out: http://www.letsplayhockey.com/1025rankings.pdf Looks like not including Shakopee was indeed correct, since they lost to Chaska. South St Paul's upset over Anoka helped their rank.

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:26 pm

Above link appears to be broken - here are the new rankings:

LPH - December 9th

High School Girls AA
1 MINNETONKA
2 Edina
3 Roseville
4 Stillwater
5 Coon Rapids
6 Lakeville South
7 Benilde-St. Margaret’s
8 Eden Prairie
9 Roseau
10 Irondale
11 Hill-Murray
12 Rosemount
13 Hastings
14 Mounds View
15 White Bear Lake
16 Anoka
17 Lakeville North
18 Elk River/Zimmerman
19 Grand Rapids/Greenway
20 Hopkins

High School Girls A
1 WARROAD
2 Blake
3 South St. Paul
4 Breck
5 Mound-Westonka
6 Crookston
7 East Grand Forks
8 Alexandria
9 Red Wing
10 Rogers
11 Chisago Lakes
12 Totino-Grace
13 Orono
14 Thief River Falls
15 Eveleth-Gilbert
16 New Prague
17 Simley
18 Mankato East
19 Fergus Falls
20 Faribault

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:46 pm

MNHockeyFan wrote:Above link appears to be broken - here are the new rankings:

LPH - December 9th

High School Girls AA
1 MINNETONKA
2 Edina
3 Roseville
4 Stillwater
5 Coon Rapids
6 Lakeville South
7 Benilde-St. Margaret’s
8 Eden Prairie
9 Roseau
10 Irondale
11 Hill-Murray
12 Rosemount
13 Hastings
14 Mounds View
15 White Bear Lake
16 Anoka
17 Lakeville North
18 Elk River/Zimmerman
19 Grand Rapids/Greenway
20 Hopkins

High School Girls A
1 WARROAD
2 Blake
3 South St. Paul
4 Breck
5 Mound-Westonka
6 Crookston
7 East Grand Forks
8 Alexandria
9 Red Wing
10 Rogers
11 Chisago Lakes
12 Totino-Grace
13 Orono
14 Thief River Falls
15 Eveleth-Gilbert
16 New Prague
17 Simley
18 Mankato East
19 Fergus Falls
20 Faribault

It's early for a computer algorithm to work well with so few data points, however interesting to compare this to the QRF released today as well:

http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=24590

ghshockeyfan wrote:AA:

Rankings: December 9, 2010
1 Lakeville North (5-1-0) 51.0
2 Minnetonka (7-1-0) 46.0
3 Roseville (6-0-0) 43.0
4 Benilde-St. Margaret's (6-1-1) 42.3
5 Edina (7-2-0) 40.2
6 Lakeville South (6-0-0) 38.7
7 Coon Rapids (7-0-0) 38.6
8 Brainerd/Little Falls (4-1-1) 34.7
9 Hastings (4-1-0) 34.6
10 Stillwater Area (6-1-0) 33.8
11 Anoka (5-1-1) 33.0
12 Irondale (3-3-1) 31.3
13 Grand Rapids/Greenway (6-3-0) 31.2
14 Eden Prairie (6-0-2) 31.1
15 C-E-C (3-3-1) 30.9
16 Andover (5-2-0) 30.8
17 Rosemount (6-1-0) 30.4
18 Hill-Murray (3-4-0) 29.9
19 Shakopee (6-2-1) 29.3
20 Eastview (4-1-1) 28.3

A:

Rankings: December 9, 2010
1 Blake (6-0-1) 57.0
2 Alexandria (6-2-1) 37.0
3 East Grand Forks (5-1-1) 35.9
4 Breck (2-4-0) 34.6
5 Orono (5-0-1) 33.2
6 South St. Paul (8-2-0) 32.3
7 Mankato East/Loyola (7-0-1) 29.8
8 Warroad (6-2-0) 29.5
9 Crookston (4-1-0) 29.4
10 New Prague (5-2-1) 29.3
11 Hutchinson (2-3-0) 29.2
12 SB/TH/CC/Ely/B-E (3-2-1) 28.0
13 Chisago Lakes Area (5-1-0) 27.4
14 Fergus Falls (3-3-1) 25.0
15 Mound-Westonka (5-3-0) 24.8
16 Mankato West (3-4-1) 24.7
17 Albert Lea (4-3-0) 24.3
18 Northfield (2-2-2) 23.6
19 Red Wing (2-4-1) 23.2
20 Eveleth-Gilbert (3-5-0) 23.1

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:24 am

LPH - December 16th

High School Girls AA
1 MINNETONKA
2 Roseville
3 Edina
4 Benilde-St. Margaret’s
5 Coon Rapids
6 Stillwater
7 Eden Prairie
8 Lakeville South
9 Hill-Murray
10 Roseau
11 Irondale
12 White Bear Lake
13 Rosemount
14 Lakeville North
15 Anoka
16 Hastings
17 Mounds View
18 Eastview
19 Elk River/Zimmerman
20 Grand Rapids/Greenway

High School Girls A
1 WARROAD
2 Blake
3 South St. Paul
4 Breck
5 Mound-Westonka
6 Crookston
7 East Grand Forks
8 Alexandria
9 Chisago Lakes
10 Red Wing
11 Rogers
12 Orono
13 Totino-Grace
14 Thief River Falls
15 New Prague
16 Eveleth-Gilbert
17 Simley
18 Mankato East
19 Fergus Falls
20 Faribault

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:22 am

LPH - December 23rd

High School Girls AA
1 MINNETONKA
2 Edina
3 Roseville
4 Benilde-St. Margaret’s
5 Stillwater
6 Coon Rapids
7 Lakeville South
8 Hill-Murray
9 Eden Prairie
10 White Bear Lake
11 Irondale
12 Rosemount
13 Lakeville North
14 Roseau
15 Mounds View
16 Hastings
17 Anoka
18 Eastview
19 Grand Rapids/Greenway
20 Elk River/Zimmerman

High School Girls A
1 WARROAD
2 Blake
3 South St. Paul
4 Crookston
5 Breck
6 Mound-Westonka
7 East Grand Forks
8 Alexandria
9 Orono
10 Totino-Grace
11 Chisago Lakes
12 Rogers
13 Thief River Falls
14 Red Wing
15 Eveleth-Gilbert
16 Simley
17 New Prague
18 Mankato East
19 Fergus Falls
20 Faribault

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:19 am

LPH - January 5

High School Girls AA
1 (1) Minnetonka Skippers (14-1)
2 (2) Edina (14-2)
3 (4) Benilde-St. Margaret's (12-2)
4 (3) Roseville (11-4)
5 (7) Lakeville South (11-2)
6 (10) White Bear Lake (12-2)
7 (5) Stillwater Area (11-4)
8 (9) Eden Prairie (11-2)
9 (6) Coon Rapids (10-4)
10 (8 ) Hill-Murray (9-6)
11 (13) Lakeville North (11-2)
12 (12) Rosemount (10-4)
13 (NR) Eastview (11-3)
14 (15) Mounds View (8-7)
15 (11) Irondale (8-5)

High School Girls A
1 (1) Warroad Warriors (12-3)
2 (2) Blake (11-3)
3 (3) South St. Paul (13-4)
4 (4) Crookston (11-2)
5 (6) Mound-Westonka (10-5)
6 (5) Breck (5-7)
7 (7) East Grand Forks (9-4)
8 (9) Orono (11-2)
9 (8 ) Alexandria (7-6)
10 (13) Thief River Falls (9-4)
11 (11) Chisago Lakes Area (7-6)
12 (14) Red Wing (6-8 )
13 (10) Totino-Grace (5-8 )
14 (NR) Mankato East/Loyola (10-4)
15 (15) Eveleth-Gilbert (9-8 )

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:36 am

Note that Minnetonka & Warroad received 10 of 10 votes for 1st place this week.

Here are the teams ranked 16-20 as well (via LPH website):

http://www.letsplayhockey.com/1028rankings.pdf

AA:
16 Mounds View
17 Roseau
18 Hastings
19 Centennial
T-20 Farmington
T-20 Brainerd/Little Falls

A:
16 Rogers
17 Simley
18 New Prague
19 Fergus Falls
20 Northfield

iceage · Post by **iceage** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:12 pm

MNHockeyFan wrote:LPH - January 5

High School Girls AA
1 (1) Minnetonka Skippers (14-1)
2 (2) Edina (14-2)
3 (4) Benilde-St. Margaret's (12-2)
4 (3) Roseville (11-4)
5 (7) Lakeville South (11-2)
6 (10) White Bear Lake (12-2)
7 (5) Stillwater Area (11-4)
8 (9) Eden Prairie (11-2)
9 (6) Coon Rapids (10-4)
10 (8 ) Hill-Murray (9-6)
11 (13) Lakeville North (11-2)
12 (12) Rosemount (10-4)
13 (NR) Eastview (11-3)
14 (15) Mounds View (8-7)
15 (11) Irondale (8-5)

I see the "Good Old Boy" club is at it again

capitalist · Post by **capitalist** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:05 pm

iceage wrote:
I see the "Good Old Boy" club is at it again

What's the complaint? Tying CEC, losing to Chaska, only significant win is over HM, which is looking less and less significant after Tuesday.....I'd say 9th is more than what the Eagles deserve.

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