PIONEER PRESS ALL-STATE HOCKEY TEAMS

BodyShots · Post by **BodyShots** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:31 pm

First Team
Phillippi
Ness
Gleason
Cecka
Lee
Walters

Second Team
Lee
Vannelli
Gardiner
Jokinen
Landman
Berglund

Third Team
Wigen
Jacques
Hanowski
Youso
Leivermann
Ravndalen

Who picks this team? No Budish, Everson, Barnes, Furne, or Yumusaklar! Cecka and Gleason 1st Team? Are they nuts!

Sparlimb · Post by **Sparlimb** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:33 pm

BodyShots wrote:Who picks this team? No Budish, Everson, Barnes, Furne, or Yumusaklar! Cecka and Gleason 1st Team? Are they nuts!

Anyone on the east side could tell you it is called the Pioneer Press for a reason.

watchdog · Post by **watchdog** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:37 pm

just based on the state tourney i thought gleason was the best player on edina possible the whole tourney.

hockeywatcher4 · Post by **hockeywatcher4** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:15 pm

those teams are a joke!!!!!!!!!

SYRUS THE VIRUS · Post by **SYRUS THE VIRUS** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:18 pm

Vanelli?? Maybe as a forward. I saw 4 of STA's games this year all 4 games i saw he was out of position more than anyone on the ice. One mans opinion but statewide and even on his own team there are alot better D than him. Hmmm???

koho snipe · Post by **koho snipe** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:18 pm

dear god those teams are pitiful.. how did JT brown and tyler barnes and lehrke and every stud on edina and student from benilde not make any teams? Pioneer this is exactly why i will never subscribe to your paper. (Yes that is a biased opinion...come see me)

hockeyjunkie2 · Post by **hockeyjunkie2** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:41 pm

The pioneer press is very east metro and also alot goes by the state tournament. If your team is there your looking solid to make a high team. For some reason that is just how they work I have seen the same out of them for football, soccer, basketball. Even if you have a good state tourney though you don't make it they just do an overall poor job of picking solid teams.

EV2003 · Post by **EV2003** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:21 pm

diesel21 wrote:yeah he was good but it is still hard for me not to see furne in the top two or even everson and which lee is on the second team Edina or Roseau

As I recall, Cecka had more goals and assists than Furne did this season (and it wasn't even close until the tournament). One nice state tournament does not make or break you as "All State worthy" in my opinion. Cecka led the state champions in scoring... what more do you want from the kid? He scored eight more points and three more goals than Nick Larson did last year and he was the Metro Player of the Year.

I think the teams were very fair. Not sure I'd put Wigen up there on the third team, and in the story, it says Leivermann was the highest scoring Scarlet (not true, Ricky Litchfield was), but I think the teams were pretty fair.

pioneers · Post by **pioneers** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:30 pm

EV2003 wrote:
diesel21 wrote:yeah he was good but it is still hard for me not to see furne in the top two or even everson and which lee is on the second team Edina or Roseau
As I recall, Cecka had more goals and assists than Furne did this season (and it wasn't even close until the tournament). One nice state tournament does not make or break you as "All State worthy" in my opinion. Cecka led the state champions in scoring... what more do you want from the kid? He scored eight more points and three more goals than Nick Larson did last year and he was the Metro Player of the Year.

I think the teams were very fair. Not sure I'd put Wigen up there on the third team, and in the story, it says Leivermann was the highest scoring Scarlet (not true, Ricky Litchfield was), but I think the teams were pretty fair.

Kind of obvious that you did not see Furne play other then in the tournament. How he played in the tournament is how he played every shift of every game the entire season. Cecka is a good player. However I would take Furne over him any day.

EV2003 · Post by **EV2003** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:33 pm

pioneers wrote:
EV2003 wrote:
diesel21 wrote:yeah he was good but it is still hard for me not to see furne in the top two or even everson and which lee is on the second team Edina or Roseau
As I recall, Cecka had more goals and assists than Furne did this season (and it wasn't even close until the tournament). One nice state tournament does not make or break you as "All State worthy" in my opinion. Cecka led the state champions in scoring... what more do you want from the kid? He scored eight more points and three more goals than Nick Larson did last year and he was the Metro Player of the Year.

I think the teams were very fair. Not sure I'd put Wigen up there on the third team, and in the story, it says Leivermann was the highest scoring Scarlet (not true, Ricky Litchfield was), but I think the teams were pretty fair.
Kind of obvious that you did not see Furne play other then in the tournament. How he played in the tournament is how he played every shift of every game the entire season. Cecka is a good player. However I would take Furne over him any day.

Actually I did... Furne's a great player. But how can you deny a guy that had more goals AND more assists and played on the same line? Plus, Furne can't skate.

SiouxRecruit · Post by **SiouxRecruit** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:36 pm

Is this really for real?hahaha

SYRUS THE VIRUS · Post by **SYRUS THE VIRUS** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:38 pm

I agree w/Pioneer. D.Checca's a great player, but when the chips are down my monies on Furne.. He's Physical-Great hands and he scores big goals.

EV2003 · Post by **EV2003** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:54 pm

SYRUS THE VIRUS wrote:I agree w/Pioneer. D.Checca's a great player, but when the chips are down my monies on Furne.. He's Physical-Great hands and he scores big goals.

Big goals? Like the game-winner against STA on Hockey Day Minnesota (Cecka should have been given credit on the tying goal as it went off Saintey's skate not off Kohls)? The game-winner the first time against STA? The slap-shot against Lakeville South that buried the Cougars? The breakaway goal against Roseau that buried the Rams?

On the goal Furne had with .1 seconds left against Edina, he even gave all the credit to Cecka for his forechecking effort. Furne is a good player and had a great season and a great state tournament... but I'll take Cecka.

rbk2090 · Post by **rbk2090** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:04 pm

BodyShots wrote:First Team
Phillippi
Ness
Gleason
Cecka
Lee
Walters

Second Team
Lee
Vannelli
Gardiner
Jokinen
Landman
Berglund

Third Team
Wigen
Jacques
Hanowski
Youso
Leivermann
Ravndalen

Who picks this team? No Budish, Everson, Barnes, Furne, or Yumusaklar! Cecka and Gleason 1st Team? Are they nuts!

I actually think this was a truer judge of talent than the star & tribune. Nice to see Gleason getting the recognition he so well deserved.

EV2003 · Post by **EV2003** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:06 pm

rbk2090 wrote:
BodyShots wrote:First Team
Phillippi
Ness
Gleason
Cecka
Lee
Walters

Second Team
Lee
Vannelli
Gardiner
Jokinen
Landman
Berglund

Third Team
Wigen
Jacques
Hanowski
Youso
Leivermann
Ravndalen

Who picks this team? No Budish, Everson, Barnes, Furne, or Yumusaklar! Cecka and Gleason 1st Team? Are they nuts!
I actually think this was a truer judge of talent than the star & tribune. Nice to see Gleason getting the recognition he so well deserved.

I agree about Gleason... that kid is a stud.

gopherhockey99 · Post by **gopherhockey99** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:49 pm

I'd also take Furne over Cecka. Seems like more a complete package in the games ive watched, and a good leader (earning the C - i didnt see it on Cecka's chest). In regards to the Pioneer Press, kind of odd not to see Buddish, Everson, Student, or Barnes. All put up pretty good numbers while playing good competition.

Hockeyguy_27 · Post by **Hockeyguy_27** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:43 pm

gopherhockey99 wrote:I'd also take Furne over Cecka. Seems like more a complete package in the games ive watched, and a good leader (earning the C - i didnt see it on Cecka's chest). In regards to the Pioneer Press, kind of odd not to see Buddish, Everson, Student, or Barnes. All put up pretty good numbers while playing good competition.

The Lee on the first team is actually Anders Lee from Edina not Mike Lee from Roseau, so the Pioneer press did show Mpls some love. I was suprised at how different this All State team was from the Tribune's team.

wbmd · Post by **wbmd** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:25 pm

Hockeyguy_27 wrote:The Lee on the first team is actually Anders Lee from Edina not Mike Lee from Roseau, so the Pioneer press did show Mpls some love. I was suprised at how different this All State team was from the Tribune's team.

The Tribune's team was only an All-Metro Team.

wbmd · Post by **wbmd** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:32 pm

BodyShots wrote:Who picks this team? No Budish, Everson, Barnes, Furne, or Yumusaklar! Cecka and Gleason 1st Team? Are they nuts!

I don't think any of you guys would be satisfied no matter who picked the All-State Teams and no matter who did and didn't make it.

wbmd · Post by **wbmd** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:40 pm

Here is the complete team as well as the stories.

http://www.twincities.com/prep/ci_8526900

http://www.twincities.com/prep/ci_8526999

greenbandit · Post by **greenbandit** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:11 am

wbmd wrote:
Hockeyguy_27 wrote:The Lee on the first team is actually Anders Lee from Edina not Mike Lee from Roseau, so the Pioneer press did show Mpls some love. I was suprised at how different this All State team was from the Tribune's team.
The Tribune's team was only an All-Metro Team.

Tribunes all-metro was the true joke....unbelievable...lot of guys over rated..either way if this true, all players listed here are more than deserving!

komada77 · Post by **komada77** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:19 am

BodyShots wrote:First Team
Phillippi
Ness
Gleason
Cecka
Lee
Walters

Second Team
Lee
Vannelli
Gardiner
Jokinen
Landman
Berglund

Third Team
Wigen
Jacques
Hanowski
Youso
Leivermann
Ravndalen

No Barnes? No Brown? Bo Budish? No Everson? No Eddy? No Student? No Furne? Zepeda not even honorable mention? Hendrickson not even honorable mention? O'Neill not even honorable mention? O'Donnell not even honorable mention? McManus not even honorable mention? Bohrer not even honorable metnion? Muller not even honorable mention? Leiverman's not even the best player on his team!!
I don't get it.

greenbandit · Post by **greenbandit** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:42 am

komada77 wrote:
BodyShots wrote:First Team
Phillippi
Ness
Gleason
Cecka
Lee
Walters

Second Team
Lee
Vannelli
Gardiner
Jokinen
Landman
Berglund

Third Team
Wigen
Jacques
Hanowski
Youso
Leivermann
Ravndalen
No Barnes? No Brown? Bo Budish? No Everson? No Eddy? No Student? No Furne? Zepeda not even honorable mention? Hendrickson not even honorable mention? O'Neill not even honorable mention? O'Donnell not even honorable mention? McManus not even honorable mention? Bohrer not even honorable metnion? Muller not even honorable mention? Leiverman's not even the best player on his team!!
I don't get it.

Dude...lots of same old names here from you...i will give you a couple on your list...take off Brown, Zepeda, O'Neill, Muller, Furne, McManus - cmon the list is really good...I would like to see a game to decide...kinda like the elite team hey....northern boys kick'n little ass on the All-Metro All-Stars...whatever...you dont get it because you dont know the players mentioned...

komada77 · Post by **komada77** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:58 pm

greenbandit wrote:
komada77 wrote:
BodyShots wrote:First Team
Phillippi
Ness
Gleason
Cecka
Lee
Walters

Second Team
Lee
Vannelli
Gardiner
Jokinen
Landman
Berglund

Third Team
Wigen
Jacques
Hanowski
Youso
Leivermann
Ravndalen
No Barnes? No Brown? Bo Budish? No Everson? No Eddy? No Student? No Furne? Zepeda not even honorable mention? Hendrickson not even honorable mention? O'Neill not even honorable mention? O'Donnell not even honorable mention? McManus not even honorable mention? Bohrer not even honorable metnion? Muller not even honorable mention? Leiverman's not even the best player on his team!!
I don't get it.
Dude...lots of same old names here from you...i will give you a couple on your list...take off Brown, Zepeda, O'Neill, Muller, Furne, McManus - cmon the list is really good...I would like to see a game to decide...kinda like the elite team hey....northern boys kick'n little ass on the All-Metro All-Stars...whatever...you dont get it because you dont know the players mentioned...

Brown was a Mr. Hockey finalist and was 2nd in AA in scoring, Zepeda is a bit of a stretch I thought he had more points than he really did but could still make a strong case for honorable mention, O'Neill had a real good year with 51 points on a good team, Mueller had 55 points and many felt that he should be a Mr. Hockey finalist, Furne is the best skater on the best team in the state, and I just realized that McManus as a D-man is a pretty big stretch after his team gave up 8 goals in the section finals. I will admit, though, that I would have a very difficult time picking this team as well. I can't argue with most of the picks because they are very good players, but I don't get how the leading goal-scorer in AA (Everson) doesn't make at least the 3rd team, especially considering the schedule Edina played this year. I also have no idea how the leading scorer in all of AA, Danny Mattson, isn't even honorable mention. If I could change just one thing with the team selection, Student would replace Vanelli. That's just my opinion, take it as you like.

wildfan12 · Post by **wildfan12** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:26 pm

Rob Vanelli = most overrated player in the sate.

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