A vs AA for the big one

Kurdatz · Post by **Kurdatz** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:30 pm

Since the days of the old single class system, I'm sure this tought has crossed the minds of every hockey nut at least once.

Now that the hockey tourney has two systems, I've always thought to myself: What if the champions of both the class A tournament and AA tournament play each other for a final end all, be all State tournament champion?

I'm sure it would exciting as all hell!

Anyone else have any thoughts on it?

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:44 pm

Whose turn is it to answer this?

Post by **east hockey** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:46 pm

Neutron 14 wrote:Whose turn is it to answer this?

Me!

Personally, I like the idea and they used to do it in basketball so it's not entirely dumb.

But it does come up over and over again so I don't know if we want to rehash it, knowing full well somebody would have even if I didn't

Lee

Kurdatz · Post by **Kurdatz** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:48 pm

Being new to the actual board itself, I hadn't realized that you guys had re-hashed this one out already. My fault. Thought it would pose an interesting question though.

hawkfan70 · Post by **hawkfan70** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:49 pm

AA is the true champ
if you want to play them, opt up

hawkfan70 · Post by **hawkfan70** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:52 pm

privates should have their own tournament

Kurdatz · Post by **Kurdatz** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:54 pm

hawkfan70 wrote:privates should have their own tournament

Privates at one point, did in Minnesota. Or at least I believe the Catholic Church had it's own tournament up until something like 1974 when they consolidated. Modern day Duluth Marshall (then Duluth Cathedral) used to go to it all the time.

Post by **east hockey** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:54 pm

Kurdatz wrote:Being new to the actual board itself, I hadn't realized that you guys had re-hashed this one out already. My fault. Thought it would pose an interesting question though.

The problem with this thread is that it evolves as follows:

1. Class A isn't good enough
2. If a Class A team wants to be considered the best, move up to Class AA and play with the best.
3. Somebody demands to know why some feel some schools should opt up.
4. Holy Angels recruits

5. Mitch or I close the thread.

Anyway, that's the history. Come to think of it, it's the history of a lot of topics except some like to play the Liberal or Religion card one more time in the process, reminding me that we actually need a rule about "no politics, no religion".

Lee

State Champ 97 · Post by **State Champ 97** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:54 pm

I like it but it is a worn out topic.

hawkfan70 · Post by **hawkfan70** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:57 pm

State Champ 97 wrote:I like it but it is a worn out topic.

not to the new guys

maybe there would be some new perspective we hadn't seen before

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:58 pm

Wait Until Lent.

Kurdatz · Post by **Kurdatz** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:59 pm

hawkfan70 wrote:
State Champ 97 wrote:I like it but it is a worn out topic.
not to the new guys

maybe there would be some new perspective we hadn't seen before

Gee thanks.

(As I wander around with a big L handshape on my forehead!)

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:00 pm

elliott70 wrote:Wait Until Lent.

Jeeeeeezzzzzus keeeeeeriiiiisssssssttttttt!!!!!

Not u too????

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:02 pm

Had to throw in some religion.

Packer the man and Slappy will be here shortly to take over.

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:05 pm

Kurdatz wrote:
hawkfan70 wrote:
State Champ 97 wrote:I like it but it is a worn out topic.
not to the new guys

maybe there would be some new perspective we hadn't seen before
Gee thanks. (As I wander around with a big L handshape on my forehead!)

The path to the title game would be decidedly easier in Class A. Anything can happen in one game, (right AHA?) so if A wins we'll have found the true champion? I don't think so. The AA tournament is as much about surviving with a little gas for the next game..(Right Grand Rapids?)

Since all teams can opt up, the AA winner is "recognized" by most as the true champ.

State Champ 97 · Post by **State Champ 97** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:06 pm

hawkfan70 Posted: 11 Jan 2007 20:57 Post subject:

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State Champ 97 wrote:
I like it but it is a worn out topic.

not to the new guys

maybe there would be some new perspective we hadn't seen before

Alright here is a perspective:
The difference between AA and A is suppose to be school enrollment numbers, not talent or capabilities. But we all know that the majority of AA teams would beat the majority of A teams.

However if bottom feeder A teams like Bagley and Redwood Valley can beat bottom feeder AA teams like Becker and Northern Lakes why can't elite A teams beat elite AA teams in a one game situation?

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:10 pm

Kurdatz wrote:Being new to the actual board itself, I hadn't realized that you guys had re-hashed this one out already. My fault. Thought it would pose an interesting question though.

Except for slappy, everyone was new here once. Welcome. Watch out for that east hockey guy though, he likes to torch threads. He even brags about it.

<-- duluth east fans!!

Kurdatz · Post by **Kurdatz** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:12 pm

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maybe there would be some new perspective we hadn't seen before
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Alright here is a perspective:
The difference between AA and A is suppose to be school enrollment numbers, not talent or capabilities. But we all know that the majority of AA teams would beat the majority of A teams.

However if bottom feeder A teams like Bagley and Redwood Valley can beat bottom feeder AA teams like Becker and Northern Lakes why can't elite A teams beat elite AA teams in a one game situation?[/quote]

Thats kinda the point I was eluding to and you hit it just right on the head. My point is since the two different systems are based on enrollment, not talent or performance, why couldn't a perneial class A team on any given night, knock off a class AA team in a one on one. It didn't used to matter when everyone was playing each other ina "classless" system?

hawkfan70 · Post by **hawkfan70** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:16 pm

State Champ 97 wrote:
hawkfan70 Posted: 11 Jan 2007 20:57 Post subject:

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State Champ 97 wrote:
I like it but it is a worn out topic.

not to the new guys

maybe there would be some new perspective we hadn't seen before
Alright here is a perspective:
The difference between AA and A is suppose to be school enrollment numbers, not talent or capabilities. But we all know that the majority of AA teams would beat the majority of A teams.

However if bottom feeder A teams like Bagley and Redwood Valley can beat bottom feeder AA teams like Becker and Northern Lakes why can't elite A teams beat elite AA teams in a one game situation?

any given night......

that is why they play the games and not let mathrunners games on paper decide a winner

bringiton22 · Post by **bringiton22** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:18 pm

Its been mentioned before after the tournament, and i've always thought it would be a great idea. What would be wrong with the two champions agreeing to play each other the friday or saturday after the tournament. Granted AA would have everything to loose in a game like this, but if little ol Warroad tells Holy Angels they want a shot, its gonna look pretty bad to back down. The game doesnt need to be MSHSL sanctioned and could be considered a "scrimage" or "charity game", and I could gaurantee 16,000 strong would show up for that scrimage.

hawkfan70 · Post by **hawkfan70** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:20 pm

bringiton22 wrote:and I could gaurantee 16,000 strong would show up for that scrimage.

16,000 tickets @ $20ea and you are talking the MSHSL language

Kurdatz · Post by **Kurdatz** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:22 pm

bringiton22 wrote:Its been mentioned before after the tournament, and i've always thought it would be a great idea. What would be wrong with the two champions agreeing to play each other the friday or saturday after the tournament. Granted AA would have everything to loose in a game like this, but if little ol Warroad tells Holy Angels they want a shot, its gonna look pretty bad to back down. The game doesnt need to be MSHSL sanctioned and could be considered a "scrimage" or "charity game", and I could gaurantee 16,000 strong would show up for that scrimage.

My point exactly. The only thing anybody would lose, is face or pride. It would be a good media and ticket draw as well as a good thing for high school hockey in general in my mind. And like you said, set it a week after the tourney in a non- MSHL sanctioned event and everytbody's happy....

except if you're the team that loses...

State Champ 97 · Post by **State Champ 97** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:25 pm

It should be played in the biggest geographically central arena between the two teams. St. Cloud, X, DECC, Little Ralph, MN St Mankato Arena(sorry southern folks I don't get down there much to know which arenas could handle a crowd of that size.)

Kurdatz · Post by **Kurdatz** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:29 pm

It would be cool if it were at the X or Ucci. A big draw, the kids get a taste of the pro/college feel, etc.

Again, I didn't realize I was re-hasing a dead subject. And since I live here in Wisconsin now

there's few people who can understand what HS hockey is in MN. Hard to talk to any "local" people here at a pub about HS hockey.

They're all still wondering when Brett Favre is going to retire...Doesn't he play HS hockey somewhere?

Zeke16 · Post by **Zeke16** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:34 pm

I don't get the big draw for this game. The AA title game has way more interest for me that some "scrimmage" after the state tourney.

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