Player evaluations kept private.

[hockeygoof1]

At the end of the year at the association my kids belong to they have the coaches evaluate the kids. The families do not have access to these evaluations. Yet at the very same time the association asks the parents to evaluate the coaches, then put your name on it. It's an uncomfortable feeling because this person could be your kid's coach next year. Why not quid pro quo? As a parent, I'd like to see those evaluations. Am I alone on this?

[57special]

Evals of coaches should be anonymous.

[Aimforthefivehole]

Yes you should get a copy if that eval and when they evaluate each player there should bethe more than just one coach in the evaluation. No way should they require your name on your feedback form.

[Deep Breath]

This is another reason why association hockey is as bad as it is: the constant level of secrecy. From closed tryouts to evaluations that are not made pubic, to not knowing who evaluators even are. Associations should strive to me transparent, not less.

[JSR]

At the end of the year at the association my kids belong to they have the coaches evaluate the kids. The families do not have access to these evaluations. Yet at the very same time the association asks the parents to evaluate the coaches, then put your name on it. It's an uncomfortable feeling because this person could be your kid's coach next year. Why not quid pro quo? As a parent, I'd like to see those evaluations. Am I alone on this?

Player evaluations should absolutely be made available to players and parents, how else can you expect a kid to get better if he/she doesn't know how their coach(es) see them.....

Coach evaluations by parents should also be anonymous, this allows parents to speak freely and truthfully, for the coach and board to get hoenst feedback and to be able to do so without threat or risk or "retaliation" against them or their player

This is as basic and simple as it gets, can't believe anyone would do it any other way

[ripping1]

Pretty simple. Hire outside evaluators. Give the players random tryout numbers no names. After tryouts give the evaluations to the players/parents so they can see what the evaluators saw and help their child work on the things that need improving. There is always something that can use improvement no matter how good you are.

Parent evaluations should be anonymous - period

[SECoach]

At the end of the year at the association my kids belong to they have the coaches evaluate the kids. The families do not have access to these evaluations. Yet at the very same time the association asks the parents to evaluate the coaches, then put your name on it. It's an uncomfortable feeling because this person could be your kid's coach next year. Why not quid pro quo? As a parent, I'd like to see those evaluations. Am I alone on this?

Player evaluations should absolutely be made available to players and parents, how else can you expect a kid to get better if he/she doesn't know how their coach(es) see them.....

Coach evaluations by parents should also be anonymous, this allows parents to speak freely and truthfully, for the coach and board to get hoenst feedback and to be able to do so without threat or risk or "retaliation" against them or their player. Anonymous feedback is close to worthless.

This is as basic and simple as it gets, can't believe anyone would do it any other way

Believe it or not, in the real world, anonymous evaluations and feedback are rarely taken seriously. Just look on the internet for all the incredibly valuable product and services feedback people give anonymously. Picture this phone call or anonymous email to a school principal:

"My boy...um..I mean girl is in Mrs. Johnson's math class. Everyday my daughter comes home and tells me that the teacher is mean and calls her stupid. She won't help me and that's why she's getting a bad grade. I can't identify myself because I'm afraid it will affect her grades in the future." Please don't let her teach anymore.

This may prompt a conversation with the teacher, however it will go nowhere in improving the teacher's skills, the students communication skills with their teacher or parent, and will not be taken very seriously by the administration. Of course there is never any parent that may want to get a teacher "in trouble" because everything is always the teachers fault.

How about having a mature, reasonable conversation, between the teacher, parent and student where everyone knows who everyone is. I understand it takes both side for this to happen. I'll use the oldest cliché in the book. "Its supposed to be for the kids" Let's have the adults on both sides of the fence be adults.

[57special]

It is normal to have one or two negative coach evals per team per year. If there were none, then you had a really "together" team. More than two negative evals might be cause for concern, more than 5 certainly should put the coach's year under the spotlight.

Keep in mind that the severity of the complaints will also be of importance. Someone complaining that their son should have been on the first line PP instead of someone else will be considered less seriously. A coach accused of showing up drunk and profane to practice, or of inappropriate touching will definitely set off alarm bells in any association (I would hope).

[Ugottobekiddingme]

Looks like 57 and SE belong to the same teacher union...glad to see the kids are put in front of your agenda.

[SECoach]

Looks like 57 and SE belong to the same teacher union...glad to see the kids are put in front of your agenda.

I'm not sure I understand this post, but I will say that I will meet with any parent, anytime, face to face, adult to adult in an effort to create understanding. If that means I have an agenda, count me in.

[SCBlueLiner]

Looks like 57 and SE belong to the same teacher union...glad to see the kids are put in front of your agenda.

Actually, you really do have to be kidding me with that comment.

[JSR]

At the end of the year at the association my kids belong to they have the coaches evaluate the kids. The families do not have access to these evaluations. Yet at the very same time the association asks the parents to evaluate the coaches, then put your name on it. It's an uncomfortable feeling because this person could be your kid's coach next year. Why not quid pro quo? As a parent, I'd like to see those evaluations. Am I alone on this?

Player evaluations should absolutely be made available to players and parents, how else can you expect a kid to get better if he/she doesn't know how their coach(es) see them.....

Coach evaluations by parents should also be anonymous, this allows parents to speak freely and truthfully, for the coach and board to get hoenst feedback and to be able to do so without threat or risk or "retaliation" against them or their player. Anonymous feedback is close to worthless.

This is as basic and simple as it gets, can't believe anyone would do it any other way

Believe it or not, in the real world, anonymous evaluations and feedback are rarely taken seriously. Just look on the internet for all the incredibly valuable product and services feedback people give anonymously. Picture this phone call or anonymous email to a school principal:

"My boy...um..I mean girl is in Mrs. Johnson's math class. Everyday my daughter comes home and tells me that the teacher is mean and calls her stupid. She won't help me and that's why she's getting a bad grade. I can't identify myself because I'm afraid it will affect her grades in the future." Please don't let her teach anymore.

This may prompt a conversation with the teacher, however it will go nowhere in improving the teacher's skills, the students communication skills with their teacher or parent, and will not be taken very seriously by the administration. Of course there is never any parent that may want to get a teacher "in trouble" because everything is always the teachers fault.

How about having a mature, reasonable conversation, between the teacher, parent and student where everyone knows who everyone is. I understand it takes both side for this to happen. I'll use the oldest cliché in the book. "Its supposed to be for the kids" Let's have the adults on both sides of the fence be adults.

I disagree with yoru analogy for a couple of reasons. First off a professional teacher who is paid (especially a public school teacher) to teach our children should not be put on par with a volunteer coach. The situations are not the same and how you deal with them should not be equated. You can do that with a teacher and a principal because of how that arena is structured and the layers of authority that are in place, I don;t think it's that easy in a volunteer youth sports arena, you may say it should be but the way it should be and the way it is are different.

Secondly, I think intelligent people are able to sift through a legitimate complaint about someone and someone who is jsut railing nonsense. The reality is many adults do hold grudges and there are alot of irresponsible people in charge of our kids in the realm of sports and anonymous is the only way to get the truth sometimes. If you have 15 kids on a team and there are 15 anonymous evaluations and 14 are positive and one is a really negative one I think you take that with a grain of salt and dismiss it, if you have 15 evaluations and there are 7 reasonable intelligent and well explained complaints I think it's reasonable that you need to have a sit down with that coach and dig further into what is goign on with that team and that coach.

[JSR]

Looks like 57 and SE belong to the same teacher union...glad to see the kids are put in front of your agenda.

I'm not sure I understand this post, but I will say that I will meet with any parent, anytime, face to face, adult to adult in an effort to create understanding. If that means I have an agenda, count me in.

And you know what, that may work with you quite well because you foster that environment. It's not so neat and pretty and clean everywhere else though, sorry, lots of overboard insane coaches out there that cannot be dealt with in that manner.

My daughter has a paid professional non-parent coach who you can approach with any issue you have and you can work out beautifully with him and he'll never take it out on the kid and he's always reasonable and articulate in why he does things..... My son had a volunteer hockey coach when he was a pee wee that was incapable of having an adult conversation about anything and a negative evaluation with a name on it would have absolutely lead to a kid being ostricized by the coach (how is that guy allowed to coach if he is that bad you ask, his best friends are the association president and the ACE director, good luck with that)... because those guys exist anonoymous is how you have to go to protect everyone

[SECoach]

Looks like 57 and SE belong to the same teacher union...glad to see the kids are put in front of your agenda.

I'm not sure I understand this post, but I will say that I will meet with any parent, anytime, face to face, adult to adult in an effort to create understanding. If that means I have an agenda, count me in.

And you know what, that may work with you quite well because you foster that environment. It's not so neat and pretty and clean everywhere else though, sorry, lots of overboard insane coaches out there that cannot be dealt with in that manner.

My daughter has a paid professional non-parent coach who you can approach with any issue you have and you can work out beautifully with him and he'll never take it out on the kid and he's always reasonable and articulate in why he does things..... My son had a volunteer hockey coach when he was a pee wee that was incapable of having an adult conversation about anything and a negative evaluation with a name on it would have absolutely lead to a kid being ostricized by the coach (how is that guy allowed to coach if he is that bad you ask, his best friends are the association president and the ACE director, good luck with that)... because those guys exist anonoymous is how you have to go to protect everyone

I think it's all of our responsibility to foster that environment. If others around you are not doing it, but you think its important, then you take the lead and push for it. Might it mean that your kid plays down a level while the bastards screw him over? It might. If you have reasonable discussions with him, it will probably make him a more enlightened person and player. I'm assuming that it's not so bad that they will move an obvious A player to C (I don't know Wisc levels), but if it does mean that, put your ego aside and make your child a better person for it. Suck it up and teach. Be the one that makes a difference. I fully understand the instinct to "protect your own", but in the end, you perpetuate the problems. Sometimes if something is important to you, you have to fall on the sword. It's not a bad lesson for you child to learn. If you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything.

Guess what, lots of insane overboard parents too. Be the one that makes things better.

[Ugottobekiddingme]

Keeping consistent with the title of this thread, kids evaluation tryout kept private, what district is your flavor so I can protect my future hockey all stars from your wrath?...or describe the best method to fall on the sword to protect your point. I feel a life's lesson coming.

[SECoach]

Keeping consistent with the title of this thread, kids evaluation tryout kept private, what district is your flavor so I can protect my future hockey all stars from your wrath?...or describe the best method to fall on the sword to protect your point. I feel a life's lesson coming.

If your kid is really good, even the biggest jackasses won't cut him. If he's on the bubble, then it doesn't matter. Do the right thing. If it's close, don't be like them.....deal with it and gain a healthy child, cause in the end, it didn't matter what team he's on.

[Ugottobekiddingme]

Keeping consistent with the title of this thread, kids evaluation tryout kept private, what district is your flavor so I can protect my future hockey all stars from your wrath?...or describe the best method to fall on the sword to protect your point. I feel a life's lesson coming.

If your kid is really good, even the biggest jackasses don't cut him. If he's on the bubble, then it doesn't matter. Do the right thing. My point is that if you kids is good, even the biggest ass won't cut him. If it's close, don't be like them.....deal with it and gain a healthy child, cause in the end, it didn't matter.

What didn't matter?

[JSR]

Keeping consistent with the title of this thread, kids evaluation tryout kept private, what district is your flavor so I can protect my future hockey all stars from your wrath?...or describe the best method to fall on the sword to protect your point. I feel a life's lesson coming.

If your kid is really good, even the biggest jackasses won't cut him. If he's on the bubble, then it doesn't matter. Do the right thing. If it's close, don't be like them.....deal with it and gain a healthy child, cause in the end, it didn't matter what team he's on.

Nope the biggest jackass won't cut him but he might short bench him and never let him play on special teams...... My son that I mentioned above was one of the top players on his team, I wasn't worried about him being the bubble kid who was cut and if you knew me you'd know I stick my neck out for doing the right thing more than most and let me tell you sometimes it's not worth it, sometimes the right lesson to teach is learning to swallow your pride for the sake of others....

[SECoach]

Keeping consistent with the title of this thread, kids evaluation tryout kept private, what district is your flavor so I can protect my future hockey all stars from your wrath?...or describe the best method to fall on the sword to protect your point. I feel a life's lesson coming.

If your kid is really good, even the biggest jackasses won't cut him. If he's on the bubble, then it doesn't matter. Do the right thing. If it's close, don't be like them.....deal with it and gain a healthy child, cause in the end, it didn't matter what team he's on.

Nope the biggest jackass won't cut him but he might short bench him and never let him play on special teams...... My son that I mentioned above was one of the top players on his team, I wasn't worried about him being the bubble kid who was cut and if you knew me you'd know I stick my neck out for doing the right thing more than most and let me tell you sometimes it's not worth it, sometimes the right lesson to teach is learning to swallow your pride for the sake of others....

Roger that. Some things are best left unsaid. I do think that anonymous evaluations are usually pretty easy to figure out though, so with that said, I still feel that if you feel the need, and it's appropriate to say, it's best said in person, or with a name attached. They will probably know it's you anyway, and you get a leg up by handling it professionally.