Notes from 2013 PWA, PWAA, and BAA state tourneys

[frederick61]

Justs posted my notes from the above state tourneys from Friday's action. There will be a Saturday and Sunday posting also. The Friday's can be read at

http://youthhockeyhub.com/notes-from-fr ... -tourneys/

[frederick61]

Just posted the games stories on Edina winning the AA championships. It can be read at:

http://youthhockeyhub.com/edina-aas-swe ... bleheader/

I thought the bantam AA game between Edina and Duluth East was a great game until I looked at the pictures. Edina kids played ugly especially in the first period. I posted the pictures in the sequence at the end of the post so the reader can judge what I saw. The incidents pictured happened in the first period of play.

[QuackerTracker]

This is a tragic article that you wrote. A complete attack on Edina. I know this team is not full of sweet innocent kids that have not taken a penalty all year but you spent the entire article focused on the penalties they took and not on them winning. You attack adult officials and hide behind your moniker. If you are going to attack officials have the balls to use your real name. Congrats to Edina. I wish I could have been on the ice for that game. Can’t wait to see the next 2 years of bantams they put on the ice. Fredrick you are gutless!

[supertacks]

I think Freddie is just trying to have some fun with all of us, because the word on the street is that he is auditioning to become a writer for the Onion.

http://www.theonion.com/

[frederick61]

I would like someone to look at the slashing pictures and tell where I am wrong. I think kids don't learn that trick of hitting as part of ADM. Second tell me that kid did not have to crawl half the ice. That I imagine that and made up the pictures. But my ire is directed at the refs who did nothing not the Edina kids. They are kids and the refs are the adults on the ice.

[dogface]

no...PeeWee A played the same at the last game I watched...we wondered that they were taught to do so ...they knew the other team couldn't do anything back because there were not enough on that team to sit in the penalty box so they had to sit and take it (good lesson in self control, I guess)... lots of "cheap" stuff...other than that they were fun to watch...but definately didn't need to resort to those tactics ...why not win clean? Oh well...such is the game of hockey...

[Plett Guy]

Wasnt at the game but in reading the write up it sure was seemingly anti-Edina. Don't the write ups need to be slightly impartial on YHH? It read like the grandpa of one of the East guys wrote it. If you want to have write ups like that then you should have an "opinion" area or have columnists...otherwise I think it should be he basic news of the game when recapping games.

[northwoods oldtimer]

Yeah far be it for someone to have an opinion on the one sided officiating that goes on at Braemar! Ask Jefferson High School about that one!!

[QuackerTracker]

I know that too many people think that Minnesota Hockey is the best hockey in the country. What you saw at Breamar is the way that the rest of the country plays hockey. It's a phisical game. Get out and watch some high level AAA WINTER teams and what you saw at at Edina this weekend still looks like soft hockey. Kids in this state are being made to be sissy hockey players and are getting passed by the rest of the country.

Before you attack youth officials any more did you see the Wild game last night? There was an obvious high stick that was missed by the refs. But I am sure he was just a Vancover Hornet homer.

[old goalie85]

No I missed that, I did notice two Mn "kids" on the Wild though. I ve been hearing this passed by other states since my oldest started playing [he's a 92] and I hear the same things from parents of my Bantam/U12/squirts. I guess we better duck the sky is falling.

[frederick61]

In the past year, I have seen about 250 hockey games or more. I don’t count them.

If you follow my game stories at YHH, you will see that I have reported on games played by national Olympic teams, North American Junior Hockey, Elite, Selects, AAA teams (Little Caesars, Honeybaked), bantam AA, bantam A, peewee AA, peewee A, U14, U12, squirt A and squirt B.

I have no notion of what I will write before I go, but part of what I write is picked up in the camera.

You can find all these stories on our YHH site. Go read them. It will take you a month.

My goal is accuracy. What I write is re-enforced by pictures and written stats.

With all that, what I can say about Sundays game is that I have not encountered a first period in the past year like the first period of the bantam AA state championship.

I planned to write the Bantam AA championship as a memory for the kids that played in the game not focused on anything else. I had planned to ignore the hit to the kid that crawled when I left the arena in part because the Duluth East people did not seem upset at the time.

But when I added what the camera saw, I felt it had to be reported and reported as part of the game. If just one or two referees read the story and looked at the pictures, they will recognize the symptoms of penalty and will call the penalties in the future.

Hockey is a great sport, but it has to be managed on and off the ice. Part of the management process is to recognize what is wrong and fix it. This story puts a spotlight on what is wrong and gives Minnesota Hockey food for thought on how to better manage youth hockey. Ignoring the story is not the answer.

[Bluewhitefan]

Yeah far be it for someone to have an opinion on the one sided officiating that goes on at Braemar! Ask Jefferson High School about that one!!

Yeah that's right Edina gets all the calls - especially at Braemar!

[QuackerTracker]

In the past year, I have seen about 250 hockey games or more. I don’t count them.

If you follow my game stories at YHH, you will see that I have reported on games played by national Olympic teams, North American Junior Hockey, Elite, Selects, AAA teams (Little Caesars, Honeybaked), bantam AA, bantam A, peewee AA, peewee A, U14, U12, squirt A and squirt B.

I have no notion of what I will write before I go, but part of what I write is picked up in the camera.

You can find all these stories on our YHH site. Go read them. It will take you a month.

My goal is accuracy. What I write is re-enforced by pictures and written stats.

With all that, what I can say about Sundays game is that I have not encountered a first period in the past year like the first period of the bantam AA state championship.

I planned to write the Bantam AA championship as a memory for the kids that played in the game not focused on anything else. I had planned to ignore the hit to the kid that crawled when I left the arena in part because the Duluth East people did not seem upset at the time.

But when I added what the camera saw, I felt it had to be reported and reported as part of the game. If just one or two referees read the story and looked at the pictures, they will recognize the symptoms of penalty and will call the penalties in the future.

Hockey is a great sport, but it has to be managed on and off the ice. Part of the management process is to recognize what is wrong and fix it. This story puts a spotlight on what is wrong and gives Minnesota Hockey food for thought on how to better manage youth hockey. Ignoring the story is not the answer.

So you want us as officals to start calling penalties cause a kid is hurt even if we don't see the action? It's amature sports with amature officals. My whole point is, this is the second time that you have gone after adult officals, if you are going to write a story attacking adults grow some nuts and use your real name. Oh and I saw you at the rink. Why don't you put down the camera and try to officate. By the looks of it you have not been on the ice for 20 years. It's easy to call a game from the stands standing still with a camera in your hand to watch replays!

[sourgrapes]

Fred61....better check your facts in your story again by watching the game video!

The cross checking incident you claim damaged the players knee did NOT happen as you claim....see the 15:33 mark.


http://www.meridix.com/mbp/hockey/index ... rdid=38554


The video of the game at the 16:10 mark clearly shows the DE player making a run at the Edina player in the boards and at some point in that collision hurt his knee (did it to himself).

This is really really bad reporting as the whole premise of your article is proven to be fabricated ......time to hang up the pen!

[Bluewhitefan]

Fred61....better check your facts in your story again by watching the game video!

The cross checking incident you claim damaged the players knee did NOT happen as you claim....see the 15:33 mark.


http://www.meridix.com/mbp/hockey/index ... rdid=38554


The video of the game at the 16:10 mark clearly shows the DE player making a run at the Edina player in the boards and at some point in that collision hurt his knee (did it to himself).

This is really really bad reporting as the whole premise of your article is proven to be fabricated ......time to hang up the pen!

Nice work Sour - Freddie's got some 'splainin to do. His clear anti-Edina bias has made his commentary no better than a bad novel. While the Edina kid does get away with a cross-check, it is abviously not what caused him to crawl off the ice.

[InTheKnow]

And I bet those nice little angels from Duluth East never once cross checked, elbowed, slashed, speared or punched any Edina player.

Please Freddy the Fraud, get your facts straight. There was plenty of cheap stuff from both teams. You are a total joke.

[Towelie]

Fame can make you ignorant.....

[sourgrapes]

Fred61....you claim in your article "The refs had marginal control of the game mostly because they were letting or not seeing Edina’s battering the Hounds behind the play. At the opening of the second period, a Hound player on the puck was brutally slashed in the corner of the Hornet zone from behind. The Hound got mad and followed the Edina forward the length of the ice and boarded him behind East’s net."

2nd period started 4on4 then DE had a power play....when exactly did the above happen? I watched the whole second period on video and NEVER saw this! Please rewatch the 2nd period and post the time mark so I can understand what you are talking about!

Fact from video is that the worst no-call from the 2nd period was at the 44:33 mark of the video when a DE player did a cheap shot in the back of the head to an Edina Player driving him into the boards.......don't recall any mention of that in your article.


Did you seriously watch the game or just take a few snap shots then go eat a bucket of popcorn?

[sourgrapes]

Off the topic of bad reporting.

The best jersey of the state tournament hands down were the vintage Wayzata Bantam AA jerseys!!.......those should be the Wayzata standard jersey IMO.

[Goal_Judge]

YHH (especially F61) --

In the words of many student cheering sections, "Why so quiet? [clap, clap...clap clap clap]."

[sourgrapes]

[quote="sourgrapes"]2nd period started 4on4 then DE had a power play....when exactly did the above happen? I watched the whole second period on video and NEVER saw this! Please rewatch the 2nd period and post the time mark so I can understand what you are talking about! [/quote]

A buddy pointed out the incident I assume you are referring around the 33:40 mark and it indeed looks like from the Edina kid wacked the DE players stick trying to catch a pass in front of Edina net (not corner as described and not the photo in your article). Brutal slash?....would have to take your word on that one and considering I'm sure the ref was watching he puck/pay and didn't call it a slash, I assume it wasn't as brutal as described.

Overall watching the game video I think it was a physical game and some chippy shots from both teams but nowhere near what you describe in your article.

[sourgrapes]

[quote="MrBoDangles"]Looks like he was right there (on the glass) to witness some disturbing play. The pictures seem to go right with the story.

You might be on to something, IF he also had sportsmanship complaints about Edina's peewee AA game.

Maybe, just maybe, Edina's bantams played cheap and their peewees didn't.....?

Give it a rest boys. [/quote]

MrBo....I moved your response to the appropriate thread, I assume you meant it to be here but maybe not!

So MrBo thats the part of problem....the pictures don't go with the story. The cross check in front of the net was said to be what hurt the DE kid....not the case. The photo slashing sequence is inferred to be what is described as the "brutal slash" sequence in the story....not the case. Watch the archived video of the game and there are calls that were not made on both teams. The fact is Edina played exactly the same type of game as Duluth East, except they scored one more goal. I read Freddie's article having not been at the game and said to myself....wow I can't believe that Edina kid hurt that boy like that....so I watched the game archive.

Here's the rub and i quote Freddie himself:

"I planned to write the Bantam AA championship as a memory for the kids that played in the game not focused on anything else. I had planned to ignore the hit to the kid that crawled when I left the arena in part because the Duluth East people did not seem upset at the time. But when I added what the camera saw, I felt it had to be reported and reported as part of the game. If just one or two referees read the story and looked at the pictures, they will recognize the symptoms of penalty and will call the penalties in the future. "

So you see no bias when someone makes up, fabricates and publishes an article when the whole angle he wrote the story (in his own words....the hurt kid) was found to be completely invalid? The kids injury was self inflicted, which happens in hockey. He himself acknowledges that these 14/15 year old players read these articles....and according to Freddie what they get to take away from his article is they are a bunch of cheating hacks.

Taking photos are great and can add a lot to articles. But to only pull out a few and then weave a fictitious story around them is wrong. I can only assume Freddie knew about the webcast of the game, he obviously follows hockey, so why not verify what he thought he saw by the video. Especially in the light of "I had planned to ignore the hit to the kid that crawled when I left the arena in part because the Duluth East people did not seem upset at the time." Why would they be upset at an Edina kid when he had no part in the injury?

Freddie....how about a rewrite to accomplish what you set out to do...."I planned to write the Bantam AA championship as a memory for the kids that played in the game not focused on anything else". At the very least a retraction (most legitimate writers do that when they are wrong) and maybe, just maybe a congratulations acknowledgment to a bunch of hard working KIDS (8th and 9th graders) that won a state championship!

[hockey59]

Looks like he was right there (on the glass) to witness some disturbing play. The pictures seem to go right with the story.

You might be on to something, IF he also had sportsmanship complaints about Edina's peewee AA game.

Maybe, just maybe, Edina's bantams played cheap and their peewees didn't.....?

Give it a rest boys.

MrBo....I moved your response to the appropriate thread, I assume you meant it to be here but maybe not!

So MrBo thats the part of problem....the pictures don't go with the story. The cross check in front of the net was said to be what hurt the DE kid....not the case. The slashing sequence is inferred to be what is described as the "brutal slash" sequence in the story....not the case. Watch the archived video of the game and there are calls that were not made on both teams. The fact is Edina played exactly the same type of game as Duluth East, except they scored one more goal. I read Freddie's article having not been at the game and said to myself....wow I can't believe that Edina kid hurt that boy like that....so I watched the game archive.

Here's the rub and i quote Freddie himself:

"I planned to write the Bantam AA championship as a memory for the kids that played in the game not focused on anything else. I had planned to ignore the hit to the kid that crawled when I left the arena in part because the Duluth East people did not seem upset at the time. But when I added what the camera saw, I felt it had to be reported and reported as part of the game. If just one or two referees read the story and looked at the pictures, they will recognize the symptoms of penalty and will call the penalties in the future. "

So you see no bias when someone makes up, fabricates and publishes an article when the whole angle he wrote the story (in his own words....the hurt kid) was found to be completely invalid? The kids injury was self inflicted, which happens in hockey. He himself acknowledges that these 14/15 year old players read these articles....and according to Freddie what they get to take away from his article is they are a bunch of cheating hacks.

Taking photos are great and can add a lot to articles. But to only pull out a few and then weave a fictitious story around them is wrong. I can only assume Freddie knew about the webcast of the game, he obviously follows hockey, so why not verify what he thought he saw by the video. Especially in the light of "I had planned to ignore the hit to the kid that crawled when I left the arena in part because the Duluth East people did not seem upset at the time." Why would they be upset at an Edina kid when he had no part in the injury?

Freddie....how about a rewrite to accomplish what you set out to do...."I planned to write the Bantam AA championship as a memory for the kids that played in the game not focused on anything else". At the very least a retraction (most legitimate writers do that when they are wrong) and maybe, just maybe a congratulations acknowledgment to a bunch of hard working KIDS (8th and 9th graders) that won a state championship!

Sourgrapes...you are clearly not a parent of one of the Edina Bantam AA players...you admitted you didn't even attend the game...sounds like you are an Edina Squirt parent (based on your earlier Team MN super mite tourney posts from last summer)...who doesnt't know when to quit (regarding this topic)

I happen to know two of the Edina Bantam AA parents well... and neither would EVER BOTHER to comment or care about Freddies game story...because all that is relevant - is Edina won a hard fought game...end of story. Congrats to the Edina players and coaches!

Sourgrapes...they don't want or need you to be their mouthpiece...so as BO stated...how bout giving it a rest

[SuperStar]

I think Edina is good to go for a few more years?

Varsity- State Champs
Junior Gold B - State Runner-up
Bantam AA - State Champs
Bantam A - State Runner-up
Bantam B1- D6 Runner-up
Bantam B2 - D6 Champs (Edina White) - (Edina green) Runner-ups
Bantam C - D6 Champs
PeeWee AA - State Champs (Hear say says they haven't lost in 3 yrs)
PeeWee B - State Champs
PeeWee B1 - District 6 Champs
PeeWee B2 - District 6 Runner-up
PeeWee C - District 6 3rd place

[stupidiswhatstupiddoes]

I think Edina is good to go for a few more years?

Varsity- State Champs
Junior Gold B - State Runner-up
Bantam AA - State Champs
Bantam A - State Runner-up
Bantam B1- D6 Runner-up
Bantam B2 - D6 Champs (Edina White) - (Edina green) Runner-ups
Bantam C - D6 Champs
PeeWee AA - State Champs (Hear say says they haven't lost in 3 yrs)
PeeWee B - State Champs
PeeWee B1 - District 6 Champs
PeeWee B2 - District 6 Runner-up
PeeWee C - District 6 3rd place

I think the bantam A state tournament is a good example as to why the new format was successful. edina was very good but they were challenged by teams from associations during late feb and early march that would have been sitting at home those two weeks.