Squirt teams playing in both districts and the Squirtacular

[iseepalms]

A coulpe of years ago Forest Lake put some kids together to play a tournament in Wisconsin the same weekend as the Minnesota state tournaments and were told that if those kids played they and the associations would be penalized the next year due to you still being under Minnestota Hockey until state tourneys are done. March 18th this year.
That is sending a message that anybody during the season came participate in Non- Sanctioned tournaments. Minnesota has to put a stop to this or open it up for everyone.

[helightsthelamp]

Palm.... I am not sure what your motivation is, but this is the second thread you have started on teams playing outside of the "rules".

It is not sanctioned hockey.... if you are invited, you can play. If MN Hockey were to try and penalize my skater for participating, my first call would be to my lawyer.... See D6 vs. MN Made. My 10 year old is under no contract to MN Hockey. If I as his parent choose to let him play in an unsanctioned tournament, I would like to see MN Hockey try and stop me...

My assumption is the tournament in Wisconsin was a USA Hockey Sanctioned Tournament, as such key word.. SANCTIONED...

Just to give you some more ammo of kids still playing while the "season" is not officially over... My 5 year old mite started Rookies Small Area Games at the Super Rink on Tuesday and has it again tonight and Sunday.... Also, there is a "festival" simialar to Super Series, Selects, Pillow case classic (that is still my favorite player gift) in Andover this weekend, but is for "B" players unlike the other events which focus on the elite player... Since it is still the "season" should these kids not be skating this weekend? Ohhh I know, it still the same kids that played together during the "season" so it is different... yeah right. UNSANCTIONED....

[iseepalms]

Helightsthelamp, I guess you are saying that it is a free for all and that is my motivation let anyone do anything trophies for everyone. I guess what I am trying to say that why can some teams always get what they want when others can't, if I cry wolf you like to turn it around on me and try to make me the bad guy. I did nothing wrong other than bring someone's skeleton's out of the closet. Maybe Helightsthelamp has some of those skeleton's.

[MrBoDangles]

Helightsthelamp, I guess you are saying that it is a free for all and that is my motivation let anyone do anything trophies for everyone.

The MNH squirt season WAS great. Now it's time for other things...

Thanks Youth Hockey Hub for giving kids in this state some additional fun ways to be on the ice.

[helightsthelamp]

Helightsthelamp, I guess you are saying that it is a free for all and that is my motivation let anyone do anything trophies for everyone. I guess what I am trying to say that why can some teams always get what they want when others can't, if I cry wolf you like to turn it around on me and try to make me the bad guy. I did nothing wrong other than bring someone's skeleton's out of the closet. Maybe Helightsthelamp has some of those skeleton's.

Unsanctioned hockey is the wild, wild west... There is no governing body... Organizations, teams, individuals can do as they want.. My point is, this is unsanctioned hockey.... Not sure where you get all the mumble jumble about a trophy.... I turned nothing around on you... bad guy? you must be feeling bad about something, as I said nothing of the sort... I simply provided my opinion and perspective of kids playing in unsanctioned events and provided additional examples of kids that are still playing outside of the squirtacular. Do you think MN Hockey isn't aware that the squirtacular is going on? There are no skeleton's in the closet... Yeah let's publish information on a well know youth hockey web site about an event, but try and hide it... Skeleton's? Really...

BTW - I have no skeleton's. I am very transparent, and if you live in the north metro and read my post's, it is not very hard to figure out who I am.... I don't filter my comments to try and hide who I am, and if any one would ask I would happily tell them....

[CHI-TOWN HOCKEYDAD]

A coulpe of years ago Forest Lake put some kids together to play a tournament in Wisconsin the same weekend as the Minnesota state tournaments and were told that if those kids played they and the associations would be penalized the next year due to you still being under Minnestota Hockey until state tourneys are done. March 18th this year.
That is sending a message that anybody during the season came participate in Non- Sanctioned tournaments. Minnesota has to put a stop to this or open it up for everyone.

In this case it was eventually determined that the event FL participated in was NOT SANCTIONED and thus no penalties were assessed even though they went through with participation. Thus consistent with what Lights has stated. A precedent was set that under antitrust law, MNH cannot dictate where and when consumers play hockey outside its sanctioned domain.

[YouthHockeyHub]

Here are the facts on the Squirtacular:

Participants are not to pay with MNH Association funds, use MNH Association Jerseys, use the MNH Websites or anything else considered a MNH asset.

Per CT's post, these players and families can do whatever they choose.

Our tournament is held in the exact same rink and at the exact same time as the D6 Squirt Tournament with the District Director Brad Hewitt in the building. In fact, Brad and I chatted both nights we were sharing the facility.

I can't speak for the other 11 District Directors or MNH on what they think. But, based on what I know and my dealings with people within MNH, the last thing they want is another lawsuit from a private entity regarding anti-trust.

At the end of the day, this is a great experience for 500 kids to play hockey.

I did the PA for an Edina B team vs. a North Branch team. The final score was 6-2. On paper that looks like a blow out. With a couple minutes left, Edina got a power play and almost got it to 4-3. The rink was loud, the tension was high...lots of penalties (high sticking, body checking, etc)...both teams just laid it on the line.

[helightsthelamp]

Here are the facts on the Squirtacular:

Participants are not to pay with MNH Association funds, use MNH Association Jerseys, use the MNH Websites or anything else considered a MNH asset.

Per CT's post, these players and families can do whatever they choose.

Our tournament is held in the exact same rink and at the exact same time as the D6 Squirt Tournament with the District Director Brad Hewitt in the building. In fact, Brad and I chatted both nights we were sharing the facility.

I can't speak for the other 11 District Directors or MNH on what they think. But, based on what I know and my dealings with people within MNH, the last thing they want is another lawsuit from a private entity regarding anti-trust.

At the end of the day, this is a great experience for 500 kids to play hockey.

I did the PA for an Edina B team vs. a North Branch team. The final score was 6-2. On paper that looks like a blow out. With a couple minutes left, Edina got a power play and almost got it to 4-3. The rink was loud, the tension was high...lots of penalties (high sticking, body checking, etc)...both teams just laid it on the line.

Thanks TS for putting this together! I know my son is enjoying himself!

[elliott70]

A coulpe of years ago Forest Lake put some kids together to play a tournament in Wisconsin the same weekend as the Minnesota state tournaments and were told that if those kids played they and the associations would be penalized the next year due to you still being under Minnestota Hockey until state tourneys are done. March 18th this year.
That is sending a message that anybody during the season came participate in Non- Sanctioned tournaments. Minnesota has to put a stop to this or open it up for everyone.

In this case it was eventually determined that the event FL participated in was NOT SANCTIONED and thus no penalties were assessed even though they went through with participation. Thus consistent with what Lights has stated. A precedent was set that under antitrust law, MNH cannot dictate where and when consumers play hockey outside its sanctioned domain.

Since I had no direct involvement, I cannot say for sure, but I think the decision was based on the team participating was put together by a group outside of 'official' FLYH.
Thus no action.
The lawsuit, I believe, allows for individual players to play for non-USAH teams while still participating with their USAH team. Teams participating as a USAH sponsored team need to follow the rules of USAH and their affiliated.

[CHI-TOWN HOCKEYDAD]

A coulpe of years ago Forest Lake put some kids together to play a tournament in Wisconsin the same weekend as the Minnesota state tournaments and were told that if those kids played they and the associations would be penalized the next year due to you still being under Minnestota Hockey until state tourneys are done. March 18th this year.
That is sending a message that anybody during the season came participate in Non- Sanctioned tournaments. Minnesota has to put a stop to this or open it up for everyone.

In this case it was eventually determined that the event FL participated in was NOT SANCTIONED and thus no penalties were assessed even though they went through with participation. Thus consistent with what Lights has stated. A precedent was set that under antitrust law, MNH cannot dictate where and when consumers play hockey outside its sanctioned domain.

Since I had no direct involvement, I cannot say for sure, but I think the decision was based on the team participating was put together by a group outside of 'official' FLYH.
Thus no action.
The lawsuit, I believe, allows for individual players to play for non-USAH teams while still participating with their USAH team. Teams participating as a USAH sponsored team need to follow the rules of USAH and their affiliated.

That is correct, it was not a USAH sanctioned team or one organized by FLHA that participated.

[bestpopcorn]

Squirt parents get sore when their kid is not invited.

A guy that coached squirts gets together at the end of the season with a couple other dads and forms a AAA team comprised of an assorted group of same birth year players from around the area and go play a few AAA tournaments. Somehow this is frowned on by those that did not get the call.

Start your own darn team. You can do it.

By the way... AAA means nothing. It is imaginary. There is no sanctioning body. Many times to make an AAA team you just have to be able to write the check.

[old goalie85]

If the event was the one in Ashland one of my kids as well as one of Chi's were on said team. It was a mite tourny after the season and the team had a different coaching staff/kids on it.

[CommunityBased]

YouthHockeyHub...First, love YHH. However, here is my problem with the Squirtacular. Our associations top SQA team practiced for two weeks after the other SQA teams season ended with districts. That was ALOT of valueable solo ice paid for by the association for this one team to play in the squirtacular. And there is the rub. They didn't list the tournament on their schedule or wear our jerseys but everyone knows that is why they are still getting practice ice time paid for by the association.

It's this "We aren't breaking any rules...it's non-association hockey..." when we all know it is association hockey. I actually like the idea but be honest about it and let the "best of the best" pay for it themselves or get it sanctioned.

[mnhockey2019]

YouthHockeyHub...First, love YHH. However, here is my problem with the Squirtacular. Our associations top SQA team practiced for two weeks after the other SQA teams season ended with districts. That was ALOT of valueable solo ice paid for by the association for this one team to play in the squirtacular. And there is the rub. They didn't list the tournament on their schedule or wear our jerseys but everyone knows that is why they are still getting practice ice time paid for by the association.

It's this "We aren't breaking any rules...it's non-association hockey..." when we all know it is association hockey. I actually like the idea but be honest about it and let the "best of the best" pay for it themselves or get it sanctioned.

Seems like an association issue, not a YHH issue. Based on your comments and who participated in the event, you must live in Rochester. What did your association president say with regards to your concerns? My kid played and the parents of our team paid every dime of the cost, including practice ice.

[sourgrapes]

[quote="CommunityBased"]YouthHockeyHub...First, love YHH. However, here is my problem with the Squirtacular. Our associations top SQA team practiced for two weeks after the other SQA teams season ended with districts. That was ALOT of valueable solo ice paid for by the association for this one team to play in the squirtacular. And there is the rub. They didn't list the tournament on their schedule or wear our jerseys but everyone knows that is why they are still getting practice ice time paid for by the association.

It's this "We aren't breaking any rules...it's non-association hockey..." when we all know it is association hockey. I actually like the idea but be honest about it and let the "best of the best" pay for it themselves or get it sanctioned.[/quote]

Why in the world would the association pay for the practice ice for your team.....ever heard of a team assessment? Did the association also pay the tourney fee....sweet deal if they got it, but they didn't!

Congrats to OMG for knocking off a very good Rosemount team and ending their undefeated season!

[barry_mcconnell]

Wait a second. Did teams skip their district tournaments to play in this?

[mnhockey2019]

Wait a second. Did teams skip their district tournaments to play in this?

All the district tourneys were completed. D6 finished on Monday - that was the last one I know of. D8's I understand is optional, which is too bad. D3 has it figured out. Play 32/33 games before disticts and teams have to play in the district tourney. Their tourney finished on March 10. D10 was done long ago. D2 I don't think has a year end tourney.

Congrats to OMG - not sure if winning the Squirtacular makes up for Fargo but being the team to finally beat Rosemount is great.

[old goalie85]

D2 has no squirt tourny.

[CommunityBased]

To Sour Grapes and 2019. What I am saying is if yhh and teams who play in the tournament don't want people questioning what they are doing get it sanctioned. If they can't get it sanctioned isn't that itself reason to question it?

Analogy: a group thinks the state hs tournament isn't the 8 best vs. 8 best so instead they host their own end of season tournament and call it an all star tournament but the teams that are invited are the top 8 hs teams (BSM, Edina, Dulute East, STM etc...). Would people cry foul? Would mshl have an issue with it?

I (and apparently yhh) think we should have squirt playoffs. So do it the right way through MN Hockey.

As for ice time issue I mentioned as an example of why people might be offended...our association does not assess ice time the way many others do. I assume they paid the entry fee through the parents but the practice ice was paid for by the association. Yes Rochester.

Now for why I went the ice time issue if your interested: about a month ago I got two different notes from MN/USA Hockey 1. "Don't give up on A2/B players as they may pass the A1's." 2. "Birth age leads to A1 players having huge advantages over A2/B/C players."

At some level these were contradictory articles. (Imagine that USA Hockey saying one thing and doing another ). As associations how do we give equal opportunity to our late bloomers while challenging our early developers. The gap seems to widen fast and in general we focus our resources on the early developers (more ice time, better coaches, etc...). Just something I have been thinking about.

PS would have loved to have caught some the great games at the squirtacular but was running around to different MN Hockey state tournament sites. The Sunday games sounded like great games from yhh.

[barry_mcconnell]

So technically Rosemount Squirt A's didn't get beat. Some other team with some kids from Rosemount's Squirt A team playing in an after season all-star tournament got beat?

Streak still intact!

[sourgrapes]

MNHockey is not going to put on a State squirt tournament....period.

YHH could have gotten (and did from my understanding) it sacutioned but the deal breaker is the imposed limit of 4 tournament per year + districts. Nobody would be qualified to play. What team is going to forego one of thier 4 allowed tournaments to maybe be invited to a year end tourney....hoping they finish in the top 16 teams?

I have no issue with a YYH putting on a non sanctioned "all star" tourney after the season is over....some certainly will, most likely those that didn't get invited.

Have no clue why Rochester would give ice time for practice after the season is over unless that was ice that was already paid for (bought for PW and Bantams practicing if they had a State run) and was not going to be used....but certainly that ice should be paid for by the parents. I know our association had unused paid ice that any team could use and an email went out to all the teams to claim if they wanted it.

Your issue should be with your association, not YHH......but i'm sure there is more to the story than the half we are hearing.

[sourgrapes]

[quote="barry_mcconnell"]So technically Rosemount Squirt A's didn't get beat. Some other team with some kids from Rosemount's Squirt A team playing in an after season all-star tournament got beat?

Streak still intact![/quote]

Yes....congratulations! Your well on your way to matching Edina's 3 years (and counting) of undefeated seasons.

It will be interesting to see how Rosemount fares two years from now with the same class in PW's.....undefeated?

[YouthHockeyHub]

It is a fact that the YHH SQT was sanctioned by MNH (game limits are 100% reason we chose to go unsanctioned). Over the next few weeks, we will decide what to do next year. Thank you to everyone who participated this year, I had a blast.

[CommunityBased]

YouthHockeyHub thanks for explanation...that makes sense. Keep up the good work.

For those of us outside the metro we really appreciate YHH coverage and inclusion of our teams. Not to mention your coverage of all levels of youth hockey (AA/B/Girls etc...) Thanks.

[OBOY]

So technically Rosemount Squirt A's didn't get beat. Some other team with some kids from Rosemount's Squirt A team playing in an after season all-star tournament got beat?

Streak still intact!

Yes....congratulations! Your well on your way to matching Edina's 3 years (and counting) of undefeated seasons.

It will be interesting to see how Rosemount fares two years from now with the same class in PW's.....undefeated?

Why compare to Edina? Edina has 200+ kids tryout and their best player open enrolled at the squirt level. Edina's coach shortened his bench multiple times last year at the squirt level. Really!!!! With that many kids you should win with everyone on your bench. Rosemount had under 80 kids tryout, Rosemount is all home grown talent!!! Rosemount skated 3 lines straight through all season no matter what the score was...

I think this is great for all of MN hockey if a town like Rosemount can accomplish this feat... That should give more communities hope of having great season's and not think it's going to be Edina, EP, Wayzata every year...

Rosemount's official season ended in Fargo since they opted out of their district tournament. Congrats to them for being undefeated this season and beating every top team in the state....

Mn Hockey needs to embrace this YHH squirt tournament and waive the games, What could it really hurt? teams will play anyway...