Should A teams be allowed to play B1 teams during pilot?

Snoopdog007 · Post by **Snoopdog007** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:10 pm

Yes - for many reasons. They should only be allowed to scrimmage but not play in tournaments during the pilot.

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:06 pm

I think they should be able to play each other all the time.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:18 am

O-townClown wrote:I think they should be able to play each other all the time.

Thye can, with advance permission.

Snoopdog007 · Post by **Snoopdog007** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:15 am

elliott70 wrote:
O-townClown wrote:I think they should be able to play each other all the time.
Thye can, with advance permission.

Are you sure about this elliott70? I have not heard that this is possible. Do you know the process?

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:32 am

Snoopdog007 wrote:
elliott70 wrote:
O-townClown wrote:I think they should be able to play each other all the time.
Thye can, with advance permission.
Are you sure about this elliott70? I have not heard that this is possible. Do you know the process?

Yes, the coach or the association president calls the district director and asks for permission. If teo districts invloved, both coahes call their own director.

It happens on a regular basis (at least up here).

Permission to play in invitational tournaments is NOT allowed.

buttend · Post by **buttend** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:21 pm

elliott70 wrote:
O-townClown wrote:I think they should be able to play each other all the time.
Thye can, with advance permission.

From the MN Hockey handbook.......

D. Interlevel Play - There shall be no interlevel play (games or scrimmages) between divisions (Peewee vs.
Bantam, 14U vs. 12U) or between classifications (A and B, B and C or A and C teams), with the exception
of Youth 16&Under (Jr Gold 16) and Junior Gold B. In special circumstances where interlevel play between
classifications is appropriate, approval of the cognizant District Director(s) must be obtained. Interlevel
play is not permitted in invitational tournaments or MH playoff tournaments

You may see more interlevel play up north where the number of teams are limited, I doubt you will see this in the metro area when we have 100"s of teams per level

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:30 pm

buttend wrote:
elliott70 wrote:
O-townClown wrote:I think they should be able to play each other all the time.
Thye can, with advance permission.
From the MN Hockey handbook.......

D. Interlevel Play - There shall be no interlevel play (games or scrimmages) between divisions (Peewee vs.
Bantam, 14U vs. 12U) or between classifications (A and B, B and C or A and C teams), with the exception
of Youth 16&Under (Jr Gold 16) and Junior Gold B. In special circumstances where interlevel play between
classifications is appropriate, approval of the cognizant District Director(s) must be obtained. Interlevel
play is not permitted in invitational tournaments or MH playoff tournaments

You may see more interlevel play up north where the number of teams are limited, I doubt you will see this in the metro area when we have 100"s of teams per level

Metro teams rarely (if ever) need to go outside their level to find quantity and quality competition (and within an easy drive).

Our B teams at the smaller associations need to play the bigger (relative terms) associations once in a while to measure how they are doing because a Red Lake Falls high school team will play a Crookston high school team. So the bantams should play each other at some time. Should Red Lake Falls play at the A level? Most years, no. The kids still have to have fun and part of having fun is knowing you have a shot at winning some games, winning an invitational tournament or even winning districts.

Snoopdog007 · Post by **Snoopdog007** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:08 pm

elliott70 wrote:
buttend wrote:
elliott70 wrote: Thye can, with advance permission.
From the MN Hockey handbook.......

D. Interlevel Play - There shall be no interlevel play (games or scrimmages) between divisions (Peewee vs.
Bantam, 14U vs. 12U) or between classifications (A and B, B and C or A and C teams), with the exception
of Youth 16&Under (Jr Gold 16) and Junior Gold B. In special circumstances where interlevel play between
classifications is appropriate, approval of the cognizant District Director(s) must be obtained. Interlevel
play is not permitted in invitational tournaments or MH playoff tournaments

You may see more interlevel play up north where the number of teams are limited, I doubt you will see this in the metro area when we have 100"s of teams per level
Metro teams rarely (if ever) need to go outside their level to find quantity and quality competition (and within an easy drive).

Our B teams at the smaller associations need to play the bigger (relative terms) associations once in a while to measure how they are doing because a Red Lake Falls high school team will play a Crookston high school team. So the bantams should play each other at some time. Should Red Lake Falls play at the A level? Most years, no. The kids still have to have fun and part of having fun is knowing you have a shot at winning some games, winning an invitational tournament or even winning districts.

So what if we have a situation this season (Pilot) where we have a few teams at the B1 level that are winning all of their games and a few teams at the single A losing all of theirs? This could easily happen even in the metro area in my opinion. Would this qualify as a reason for appropriate Interlevel play? The pilot program may create special cirumstances as the season continues.

the_juiceman · Post by **the_juiceman** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:51 pm

Snoopdog007 wrote:
elliott70 wrote:
buttend wrote: From the MN Hockey handbook.......

D. Interlevel Play - There shall be no interlevel play (games or scrimmages) between divisions (Peewee vs.
Bantam, 14U vs. 12U) or between classifications (A and B, B and C or A and C teams), with the exception
of Youth 16&Under (Jr Gold 16) and Junior Gold B. In special circumstances where interlevel play between
classifications is appropriate, approval of the cognizant District Director(s) must be obtained. Interlevel
play is not permitted in invitational tournaments or MH playoff tournaments

You may see more interlevel play up north where the number of teams are limited, I doubt you will see this in the metro area when we have 100"s of teams per level
Metro teams rarely (if ever) need to go outside their level to find quantity and quality competition (and within an easy drive).

Our B teams at the smaller associations need to play the bigger (relative terms) associations once in a while to measure how they are doing because a Red Lake Falls high school team will play a Crookston high school team. So the bantams should play each other at some time. Should Red Lake Falls play at the A level? Most years, no. The kids still have to have fun and part of having fun is knowing you have a shot at winning some games, winning an invitational tournament or even winning districts.
So what if we have a situation this season (Pilot) where we have a few teams at the B1 level that are winning all of their games and a few teams at the single A losing all of theirs? This could easily happen even in the metro area in my opinion. Would this qualify as a reason for appropriate Interlevel play? The pilot program may create special cirumstances as the season continues.

that scenario will likely happen, but I doubt any district director in the metro will allow it.

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:40 pm

Elliott, Snoop, others:

Do you see harm if the rule were removed? It seems like letting teams schedule whoever they want would work just fine.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:41 am

Snoopdog007 wrote:
elliott70 wrote:
buttend wrote: From the MN Hockey handbook.......

D. Interlevel Play - There shall be no interlevel play (games or scrimmages) between divisions (Peewee vs.
Bantam, 14U vs. 12U) or between classifications (A and B, B and C or A and C teams), with the exception
of Youth 16&Under (Jr Gold 16) and Junior Gold B. In special circumstances where interlevel play between
classifications is appropriate, approval of the cognizant District Director(s) must be obtained. Interlevel
play is not permitted in invitational tournaments or MH playoff tournaments

You may see more interlevel play up north where the number of teams are limited, I doubt you will see this in the metro area when we have 100"s of teams per level
Metro teams rarely (if ever) need to go outside their level to find quantity and quality competition (and within an easy drive).

Our B teams at the smaller associations need to play the bigger (relative terms) associations once in a while to measure how they are doing because a Red Lake Falls high school team will play a Crookston high school team. So the bantams should play each other at some time. Should Red Lake Falls play at the A level? Most years, no. The kids still have to have fun and part of having fun is knowing you have a shot at winning some games, winning an invitational tournament or even winning districts.
So what if we have a situation this season (Pilot) where we have a few teams at the B1 level that are winning all of their games and a few teams at the single A losing all of theirs? This could easily happen even in the metro area in my opinion. Would this qualify as a reason for appropriate Interlevel play? The pilot program may create special cirumstances as the season continues.

In my opinion, yes.
But I am not the DD for the metro area. In D 16, if 2 coaches think it is a god idea to play, then I would consent.

Snoopdog007 · Post by **Snoopdog007** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:43 am

O-townClown wrote:Elliott, Snoop, others:

Do you see harm if the rule were removed? It seems like letting teams schedule whoever they want would work just fine.

I see no harm in removing this rule during the pilot season. I think it may be healthy for weaker A teams to play stronger B1 teams as long as they seem to be somewhat equal in talent. This will not be known until later in the season. Many B1 teams were formed because nobody else in their distrcict elected to have an A team. It wouldn't make much sense to play as an A team if there is nobody to play within your own district.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:45 am

O-townClown wrote:Elliott, Snoop, others:

Do you see harm if the rule were removed? It seems like letting teams schedule whoever they want would work just fine.

In D16, it may work. But I see no need to change it, at least up north. We seem to work it out without much fuss, within and acros district lines.
And I have never had a problem with metro DDs either.