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HockeyDad41
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Hey Ref - What just happened?

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Red team is playing the blue team. Red team has a man in the box with 45 seconds left in the penalty when the arm goes up on a delayed penalty called against the red team. The Blue team never loses posession and scores.

What is supposed to happen to the player in the box and the player that the delayed penalty was called on?

The ref let the player in the box out and the player that had the delayed penalty called on him didn't have to serve any time.

Was this the correct resolution?
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I m not a ref, but guess would be guy #1 in the box gets to go free and guy # 2 starts to serve his penalty. I dont think both get to go free.
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Post by This is nuts! »

I would think it would be like if you score on a 3 on 5. both guys dont get out of the box. The guy with least amount of time on the penalty gets out and the game goes on 5 on 4. There has to be ref out here who has an answer..
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Post by elliott70 »

They made a mistake.
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Re: Hey Ref - What just happened?

Post by the_juiceman »

HockeyDad41 wrote:Red team is playing the blue team. Red team has a man in the box with 45 seconds left in the penalty when the arm goes up on a delayed penalty called against the red team. The Blue team never loses posession and scores.

What is supposed to happen to the player in the box and the player that the delayed penalty was called on?

The ref let the player in the box out and the player that had the delayed penalty called on him didn't have to serve any time.

Was this the correct resolution?
Had the first penalty expired yet? If not, the delayed penalty should have been served. If so, then the correct call was made.
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Post by greybeard58 »

From the USA Hockey casebook page 111 situation 13:

Situation 13
Team A is short-handed by one minor penalty. With play in
progress, the Referee signals another minor penalty on Team
A. Before play is stopped, Team B scores. Which penalties, if
any, are washed out because of the goal?

The minor penalty being served is terminated and the delayed
penalty is assessed in the normal manner. Rule References
402(c) and Rule 409(b).
Only one minor penalty is terminated as the result of a goal
being scored.

Ë Situation 14
During play, an infraction calling for a major penalty is
signaled on a Team A player. As play continues, the same
player commits another infraction calling for a minor penalty.
Before play is completed, Team B scores a goal. Which
penalties, if any, are washed out as a result of the goal being
scored?
The minor penalty is washed out, as a result of the goal and
the major penalty is assessed in the normal manner. Rule
References 402(c) and 409(b).
A major penalty is never terminated, or washed out, as a result
of a goal being scored.
The casebook along with the playing rule book can be downloaded from the USA Hockey web site.
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Post by D3Referee »

Here's one for you ...

A player grabs a high rebound out of the air and throws it into the net with his glove. Is this a goal? (Hint: it is in District 3)

http://www.youtube.com/v/NyaJTDpdhD8
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Post by This is nuts! »

D3Referee wrote:Here's one for you ...

A player grabs a high rebound out of the air and throws it into the net with his glove. Is this a goal? (Hint: it is in District 3)

http://www.youtube.com/v/NyaJTDpdhD8
No goal unless it inadvertantly went in off his hand...
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This is nuts! wrote:
D3Referee wrote:Here's one for you ...

A player grabs a high rebound out of the air and throws it into the net with his glove. Is this a goal? (Hint: it is in District 3)

http://www.youtube.com/v/NyaJTDpdhD8
No goal unless it inadvertantly went in off his hand...
That should not have been a goal, but he did not grab it and throw it in.
He reached up and it went in off his hand.
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D6Rocks wrote:
This is nuts! wrote:
D3Referee wrote:Here's one for you ...

A player grabs a high rebound out of the air and throws it into the net with his glove. Is this a goal? (Hint: it is in District 3)

http://www.youtube.com/v/NyaJTDpdhD8
No goal unless it inadvertantly went in off his hand...
That should not have been a goal, but he did not grab it and throw it in.
He reached up and it went in off his hand.
He "reached" up for what? Obviously the puck. Wether he grabbed it and threw it in or wether he reached for it and batted it in makes no difference. He intentionally put it in with his hand. That much was obvious to everyone ... except to the only one who mattered :D

Let me ask this ... should his linesman have made an attempt to correct him or just do as they did and support the call?
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D3Referee wrote:
D6Rocks wrote:
This is nuts! wrote: No goal unless it inadvertantly went in off his hand...
That should not have been a goal, but he did not grab it and throw it in.
He reached up and it went in off his hand.
He "reached" up for what? Obviously the puck. Wether he grabbed it and threw it in or wether he reached for it and batted it in makes no difference. He intentionally put it in with his hand. That much was obvious to everyone ... except to the only one who mattered :D

Let me ask this ... should his linesman have made an attempt to correct him or just do as they did and support the call?
Get it right!
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Post by Blackhawkfan »

This is nuts! wrote:
D3Referee wrote:
D6Rocks wrote: That should not have been a goal, but he did not grab it and throw it in.
He reached up and it went in off his hand.
He "reached" up for what? Obviously the puck. Wether he grabbed it and threw it in or wether he reached for it and batted it in makes no difference. He intentionally put it in with his hand. That much was obvious to everyone ... except to the only one who mattered :D

Let me ask this ... should his linesman have made an attempt to correct him or just do as they did and support the call?
Get it right!
Of course it is a goal.......it is Wayzata

Any other team it's a no goal...... :lol:
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Post by CRMiteHockey »

At a game our team played at this weekend one of our players basically took a slap shot to clear the puck from his defensive zone and the play was whistled dead and the ref called a high stick. I looked at the tournament rules and nothing was mentioned about no slap shots, so I figured it must be a MH rule. Can someone point me to where these rules are located? I looked at the USA Hockey and MH websites and I can't find it. Thanks.

Update: found it. Rule 621 D

(d) The use of the “slap shot” in the Youth and Girls’ 10 &
under age classifications and below is prohibited. When a
player who, in the process of making a forehand or backhand
shot or pass, raises the blade of the stick above his waste as
part of the backswing, play shall be stopped immediately and
a face-off is conducted at one of the end zone face-off spots of
the offending team.
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Post by C-dad »

I have another dumb rules question from a bantam tourney this past weekend. As bantams they are playing tag up offsides. White team has a couple players still in black zone trying to get out. White d-man fires a slap shot into the zone from just outside blue line and it goes in the net cleanly, never touching the goalie. Is it a goal or offside?

Refs waved it off and held offside face-off. I assumed this was correct but heard someone else question it since no one touched the puck in the offensive zone.

Thanks for any clarification. Might have mattered as white lost game 2-1.
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Post by blindref »

C-dad wrote:I have another dumb rules question from a bantam tourney this past weekend. As bantams they are playing tag up offsides. White team has a couple players still in black zone trying to get out. White d-man fires a slap shot into the zone from just outside blue line and it goes in the net cleanly, never touching the goalie. Is it a goal or offside?

Refs waved it off and held offside face-off. I assumed this was correct but heard someone else question it since no one touched the puck in the offensive zone.

Thanks for any clarification. Might have mattered as white lost game 2-1.
That is the correct call.

There is a brand new rule in high school this year that allows a goalie the option to continue to play a puck that has shot on goal during a delayed offsides without stopping play.
If he holds the puck or chooses not to continue play, the play is whistled dead.
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