The "other" rule change

[JSR]

While the checking rule change dominates the headlines, did anyone else notice they have "reinstituted" tag up offsides for bantams and older. Wish they'd institute it for pee wee and older but it's a good step I guess.

[Cdale]

While the checking rule change dominates the headlines, did anyone else notice they have "reinstituted" tag up offsides for bantams and older. Wish they'd institute it for pee wee and older but it's a good step I guess.

Tag up off sides is great...for an abundance of reasons. Indeed it is a good step.

[Chalk_Talk]

While the checking rule change dominates the headlines, did anyone else notice they have "reinstituted" tag up offsides for bantams and older. Wish they'd institute it for pee wee and older but it's a good step I guess.

Tag up off sides is great...for an abundance of reasons. Indeed it is a good step.[/quote

Please share the abundance of reasons???

Just wondering why you favor tag up over it over delayed?

To me I like delayed because of these quick couple of things of the top of my head:
* It teaches puck possesion, rather than oh no a guy is coming I better THROW the puck in the zone
* It helps teach and create zone entry as a team
* It makes kids hustle back to get out of the zone, so they can go back on O
* Helps kids understand how important neutral zone coverage and offensive stratgies can be, you either go on offense or you play defense.

Just my two cents, if I'm missing something from either one please share

[jancze5]

is there a difference between "tag up" and "delayed" offsides...always thought they were one in the same

[Quasar]

is there a difference between "tag up" and "delayed" offsides...always thought they were one in the same

Immediate vs. delayed vs. tag-up offside

Though the basic offside rule is always the same, there are different rules for the situation when the puck is shot in while a player is offside, but the defending team gains control of the puck.

With immediate offside, play is dead the instant an offside violation occurs. Immediate offside is used in the USA Hockey youth leagues.
Delayed offside allows the defending team a chance to move the puck out of the zone. The play remains offside until the puck enters the neutral zone. Play is blown dead if the defending team does not attempt to move the puck forward. Simple delayed offside was used in the major North American leagues in the AHL until 2004 (except from 1986-96), in the ECHL until 2005 (except from 1996–2005), and in the NHL until 2005 (except from 1986–96).
Tag-up offside is a variation of delayed offside. In a delayed offside situation, if all members of the offending team clear the defensive zone at the same time by making skate contact outside of the zone (including the blue line), then the delayed offside call is negated.[1]

Tag-up offside is used in NCAA, Hockey Canada, the IIHF, USA Hockey junior leagues, some North American professional leagues, adult leagues, and the NHL from 1986-1996, and once again after the 2005 Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Play is stopped immediately if a player from the attacking team touches the puck in the attacking zone while he or any of his teammates is offside, or if a shot on goal occurs.

[McLuvin]

Immediate off-sides does not teach puck control. It teaches that I can get a stoppage and a face-off if I put the puck in the zone when I am in trouble. Then we get to watch the referees skate around and finally drop the puck after teams change lines. Any rule that keeps the game moving is good for the kids. Let's use the hour for the game, not face-offs. I agree that Delayed-Touch up off-sides should be in the PeeWee game. With 3 11 or 12 minute periods, the kids are only getting 33 to 36 minutes of hockey in a 60 minute ice rental. With this rule change for PW we should be able to add 2 or possibly 3 minutes to each period.

Finally, you teach and learn skills at practice and hopefully the kids display those skills during games.

[InigoMontoya]

Immediate off-sides does not teach puck control. It teaches that I can get a stoppage and a face-off if I put the puck in the zone when I am in trouble. Then we get to watch the referees skate around and finally drop the puck after teams change lines. Any rule that keeps the game moving is good for the kids. Let's use the hour for the game, not face-offs. I agree that Delayed-Touch up off-sides should be in the PeeWee game. With 3 11 or 12 minute periods, the kids are only getting 33 to 36 minutes of hockey in a 60 minute ice rental. With this rule change for PW we should be able to add 2 or possibly 3 minutes to each period.

Finally, you teach and learn skills at practice and hopefully the kids display those skills during games.

Enforcing intentional offsides would reduce that.

[Chalk_Talk]

Immediate off-sides does not teach puck control. It teaches that I can get a stoppage and a face-off if I put the puck in the zone when I am in trouble. Then we get to watch the referees skate around and finally drop the puck after teams change lines. Any rule that keeps the game moving is good for the kids. Let's use the hour for the game, not face-offs. I agree that Delayed-Touch up off-sides should be in the PeeWee game. With 3 11 or 12 minute periods, the kids are only getting 33 to 36 minutes of hockey in a 60 minute ice rental. With this rule change for PW we should be able to add 2 or possibly 3 minutes to each period.

Finally, you teach and learn skills at practice and hopefully the kids display those skills during games.

Enforcing intentional offsides would reduce that.

Agree 100%, some/most officals don't know how to properly call intentional offside.

I see it happen all the time, puck sneeks out of the zone by an incha and a D man tries to hold it in and they call it intentional offside\

D man has the puck 5-10 feet out of the zone and a forecheck coming at him and no one to pass it to and he throws it up the boards offside, NO intentional offside??

[Chalk_Talk]

Immediate off-sides does not teach puck control. It teaches that I can get a stoppage and a face-off if I put the puck in the zone when I am in trouble. Then we get to watch the referees skate around and finally drop the puck after teams change lines. Any rule that keeps the game moving is good for the kids. Let's use the hour for the game, not face-offs. I agree that Delayed-Touch up off-sides should be in the PeeWee game. With 3 11 or 12 minute periods, the kids are only getting 33 to 36 minutes of hockey in a 60 minute ice rental. With this rule change for PW we should be able to add 2 or possibly 3 minutes to each period.

Finally, you teach and learn skills at practice and hopefully the kids display those skills during games.

Immediate off-sides does teach puck control. If you have a forechecker coming at you, you have to create time and space by either passing the puck more moving your feet. If you move your feet you buy time for your team mates to get out of the o-zone so you then can pass it to them.

We I played youth hockey we played tag-up. Our coaches never really covered neutral zone play, if you have the puck and a guy is coming at you throw it deep.

With immediate you have to be a skilled team in all 3 zones if you want to compete at a high level.

If you sit in the stands at a youth game you can really tell which teams have spent time in learning how to play in the neutral zone, coverage and movement.

[luckyEPDad]

Immediate off-sides does teach puck control. If you have a forechecker coming at you, you have to create time and space by either passing the puck more moving your feet. If you move your feet you buy time for your team mates to get out of the o-zone so you then can pass it to them.

We I played youth hockey we played tag-up. Our coaches never really covered neutral zone play, if you have the puck and a guy is coming at you throw it deep.

With immediate you have to be a skilled team in all 3 zones if you want to compete at a high level.

If you sit in the stands at a youth game you can really tell which teams have spent time in learning how to play in the neutral zone, coverage and movement.

Gotta agree with this. I dislike all the stoppage of play for offsides at youth level, but I dislike the style of play tag up offsides appears to promote even more. Watched a AAA tournament over the weekend and never saw a team try to regroup in the neutral zone. As soon as the puck crossed the blue line a defender tossed it back in and everyone did ring around the rosey. The puck bounced between the neutral zone and the corners so much it felt like I was watching a tennis match.

[Dilligaf]

I like the new rule. I agree it should extend down to peewees.

[Toomuchtoosoon]

Good rule change-less stoppage and more flow to the game. Coaches who teach puck control will still regroup and control entry into the zone. Coaches who teach take the offside instead of taking the risk will just dump it instead. Intentional offsides are rarely called.

[Chalk_Talk]

The only reason I'm reading for tag-up over immediate is less stoppages. Any other ones that people can think of??

Not to change the subject, I would love to see youth hockey adopt the rule.

No line change can be made by the team that iced the puck. (your tired, the other team is putting pressure on, just THROW it down the ice, is that what we want the kids to learn? zero stratgey or skill taught with this action, just my thought)

[BadgerBob82]

McLuvin wrote: "the kids are only getting 33 to 36 minutes of hockey in a 60 minute ice rental. With this rule change for PW we should be able to add 2 or possibly 3 minutes to each period."

Here is problem #1 with too many people. A 60 minute ice session is easily divided into 3 17-18 minutes running time periods. 3-4 minute warm-up and have the goalies immediately change ends after a period. Stop time final minute of play for a 1 goal game. Use the entire $200 worth of ice.

I am sickened ending games with 10-12 minutes remaining on the 60 minute wall clock. Or ending with 1:30 on the scoreboard when the 60 minute wall clock expires. You pay for 60 minutes, use it!

Tag-up offsides is not good at the high school or youth level. But agreed many referees struggle to call (intentional) offsides correctly anyway.

Oh, and when you want a whistle, you just dump the puck in and forecheck anyway. Refs can/will screw up calling the intentional part of that rule too!