How many associations is Blaine going to allow to waiver in for their U12A team? How many girls does Blaine have at the U12 level that they need these girls to waiver in? Is Blaine building a team through Free Agency or within their association?
Please help me understand!!!!
Blaine U12A Hockey
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redarmydad
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Blaine's Free Agency Program.
I'm sorry, but when you have enough players to have tryouts for 2 teams you should try and promote and build from within your own association. They are taking 2 from Champlin Park and 1 from Forest Lake that we know of. Forest is not even in District 10. Shouldn't you try and build your own girls program. This situation is only gonna repeat itself time and time again unless they address the problem. And as I hear it they are allowing the waivins to tryout forA. AND BESIDES AAA DOESN'T START UNTIL AFTER THE REGULAR SEASON AND THAT IS WHAT THIS IS LOOKING LIKE. Like they are given free range to build a team. Lets review the D10 Rule for Waivers. Pleas pay special attention to Section #3
DISTRICT 10 WAIVER POLICY
For a one year trial, beginning with the 2009/2010 hockey season, the following will be the
District 10 Waiver Procedure Policy.
1. All waivers are for one (1) hockey season only. If in following years, a player again wishes to be waived from their local association, a new waiver request must be made to their home association.
2. All players requesting waivers must first be cut from their respective associations travel program or approved by their Association’s Board of Directors or Executive Board.
a) Associations without travel programs, or house league hockey players requesting waivers, will be at the discretion of the releasing Association President and the District Director.
3. Any player who has been cut from a team or released by their association, (including players from item 2 sub-section a) will be eligible to seek an association that is in need of players at their particular age level. Players will not be waived out of District 10 until all District 10 teams at the age group of the player requesting a waiver, within a reasonable
distance are filled. Likewise, a player from outside District 10, will not be waived in to a District 10 team until every effort has been made to fill the team with players from within the District that are within a reasonable distance.
4. The MINNESOTA HOCKEY Waiver Form must be filled out, approved and signed by the two Association Presidents involved and by both District Directors if more than one district is involved, before a waived player may be placed on a team’s USA Hockey Roster. The "White" copy of the waiver will then become part of the teams USA Hockey Roster the
player has become part of, the "Pink" copy goes to the District Registrar and the remaining copies go to the District Directors.
5. If there are a number of players from the same association and at the same level involved, the District 10 Mass Waiver form may be used.
6. Final approval of all waivers is by the District Director. U.S.A. Hockey team rosters will not be signed by the District Director without properly signed waiver forms.
7. Once a player has been released from a District 10 association and accepted by another District 10 association:
a) The accepting association cannot cut or waive the player.
b) The releasing association cannot revoke the waiver.
DISTRICT 10 WAIVER POLICY
For a one year trial, beginning with the 2009/2010 hockey season, the following will be the
District 10 Waiver Procedure Policy.
1. All waivers are for one (1) hockey season only. If in following years, a player again wishes to be waived from their local association, a new waiver request must be made to their home association.
2. All players requesting waivers must first be cut from their respective associations travel program or approved by their Association’s Board of Directors or Executive Board.
a) Associations without travel programs, or house league hockey players requesting waivers, will be at the discretion of the releasing Association President and the District Director.
3. Any player who has been cut from a team or released by their association, (including players from item 2 sub-section a) will be eligible to seek an association that is in need of players at their particular age level. Players will not be waived out of District 10 until all District 10 teams at the age group of the player requesting a waiver, within a reasonable
distance are filled. Likewise, a player from outside District 10, will not be waived in to a District 10 team until every effort has been made to fill the team with players from within the District that are within a reasonable distance.
4. The MINNESOTA HOCKEY Waiver Form must be filled out, approved and signed by the two Association Presidents involved and by both District Directors if more than one district is involved, before a waived player may be placed on a team’s USA Hockey Roster. The "White" copy of the waiver will then become part of the teams USA Hockey Roster the
player has become part of, the "Pink" copy goes to the District Registrar and the remaining copies go to the District Directors.
5. If there are a number of players from the same association and at the same level involved, the District 10 Mass Waiver form may be used.
6. Final approval of all waivers is by the District Director. U.S.A. Hockey team rosters will not be signed by the District Director without properly signed waiver forms.
7. Once a player has been released from a District 10 association and accepted by another District 10 association:
a) The accepting association cannot cut or waive the player.
b) The releasing association cannot revoke the waiver.
It doesn't appear to me that Blaine is building a team of free agents. It looks like they are giving some girls from small associations a chance to play "A" hockey.
If these kids were waiving in from White Bear or Stillwater or some other bigger association that would be different, but giving these girls a chance to excel thats fine with me. It could be a win win situation, the kids are challenged at the "A" level and maybe Blaine gets a strong team.
If these kids were waiving in from White Bear or Stillwater or some other bigger association that would be different, but giving these girls a chance to excel thats fine with me. It could be a win win situation, the kids are challenged at the "A" level and maybe Blaine gets a strong team.
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redarmydad
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Homer
While I agree with you in the sense that some girls from lesser associations should get a chance to play A, we are still talkng about Blaine! When has Blaine ever not been a contending team. It is really surprising to me that the association is allowing this. I would like to get the opinion of some Blaine parents of kids who are now gong to have to play B hockey as a result of theses waivers. I think you have to agree with me that they should be building there association first. And as far as the Forest Lake girl is concerned. I know she is getting a chance to play with a great club but D10 policy clearly states that we should be exhausting all other options before we allow a girl to be waived in to D10. I am a firm believer in building your program vs outsourcing. Blaine has a very talented coaching staff and should be not be allowed to waive in girls when they have enough to field 2 U12 teams already. If D10 allows this they are setting the bar for other associations to follow. You have to agree that when the numbers are there you should build from within!
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TellItHowItIs
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Not a lot of enforcement out there. The high school stories I'm hearing about kids transferring around without having to play JV now numbers about 20. Some seem to get their way, with little regard for the rules, and others not. Not fair.
Youth waivers need to be signed by both Presidents (FL & Blaine) and both District Directors (2 & 10) so it should be denied. She can only play for Blaine if she's attending school there.
Youth waivers need to be signed by both Presidents (FL & Blaine) and both District Directors (2 & 10) so it should be denied. She can only play for Blaine if she's attending school there.
Will someone let the cat out of the bag if the girl attends a Forest Lake school or Blaine?
The old residency rule was far easier to bend as no one could prove where one slept at night.
Like it or not, the new rule is rigid with less room to wiggle. Everyone knows where your kid goes to school.
So, does she go to Forest Lake or Blaine?
The old residency rule was far easier to bend as no one could prove where one slept at night.
Like it or not, the new rule is rigid with less room to wiggle. Everyone knows where your kid goes to school.
So, does she go to Forest Lake or Blaine?
This should be disallowed immediately - Look closely people
If you look really closely at what's happening here, you will see this has everything to do with AAA coaches bringing in players from other associations that played for them in the summer. How Champlin Park has allowed this is beyond me? Blaine...how could you allow this? Look very closely people, Champlin Park clearly should have a U12A team. This was a manipulation by the people in charge of the Champlin Park girls program to make B teams at both U12 and U10 so the very people running it could wave their own kids out to an A team that they would rather play with! This should not be allowed by either association and how district 10 signed off on this is unbelievable!!
It might even be worse at the U10 level where Champlin is waiving their top players over to Coon Rapids, again to play with their AAA summer coach. My understanding is these are not the only association that allowed this?
Nice recruiting coaches!!
Wake up people, you are destroying association hockey and this comes from a parent whose kids play and love their AAA hockey teams. AAA in the summer, association hockey in the winter that's the way it's supposed to work. We can argue all day about if this is right or not, but those are the rules, otherwise let's just open it up and play AAA year round.
The association presidents have been fooled, district 10 has been fooled or is too spineless or lazy to check the facts and parents should be ashamed!!!
It might even be worse at the U10 level where Champlin is waiving their top players over to Coon Rapids, again to play with their AAA summer coach. My understanding is these are not the only association that allowed this?
Nice recruiting coaches!!
Wake up people, you are destroying association hockey and this comes from a parent whose kids play and love their AAA hockey teams. AAA in the summer, association hockey in the winter that's the way it's supposed to work. We can argue all day about if this is right or not, but those are the rules, otherwise let's just open it up and play AAA year round.
The association presidents have been fooled, district 10 has been fooled or is too spineless or lazy to check the facts and parents should be ashamed!!!
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TellItHowItIs
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I sure wish MN Hockey and the local assocaition would STICK to there own rules. quit playing games with this rule. its pretty black and white
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Careful of the 2nd shooter on the grassy knoll.......call me naive but is this situation really that diabolical? Over the years, the one thing I have seen from District 10 administrators is that they are absolute sticklers to the rules. I remember 2 years ago emailing the D10 commisioner telling him to relax about the shared-practice we had with a district 10 team that it should not count against there game count. If anything, they over manage and need to get out of the associations kithchen.TellItHowItIs wrote:I sure wish MN Hockey and the local assocaition would STICK to there own rules. quit playing games with this rule. its pretty black and white !!! people do not realize how bad their kid can suffer from it. one association is against them bacause they are taking an actual rule followers position away. while the other association excludes them because she doesn't want to play there anyway. Great parenting!
Unless the hierarchy has changed considerably, D10 is not going to give a pass to anyone......Forgive me for supporting a board member.
THE COACH
As far as this is concerned I believe that the coach should be the one ejected form the BENCH!!!! He is the one actively recruiting from outside the district. I have heard of other phone calls made to players from other associations asking for girls to come to Blaine. He obviously does not care for his own association if he is not promoting from within. Sorry but this sounds like a blatant disregard for D10 rules and I hope someone follows up on it. We had a similar problem in our district a few years ago and it almost cost that team an entire season of play.
Re: THE COACH
So what if he recruits, the focus should be more on the Association which sign the waiver releasing the player.rj04 wrote:As far as this is concerned I believe that the coach should be the one ejected form the BENCH!!!! He is the one actively recruiting from outside the district. I have heard of other phone calls made to players from other associations asking for girls to come to Blaine. He obviously does not care for his own association if he is not promoting from within. Sorry but this sounds like a blatant disregard for D10 rules and I hope someone follows up on it. We had a similar problem in our district a few years ago and it almost cost that team an entire season of play.
Secondly, this team only has 9 skaters and goalie.
Sounds like we have Blaine parent in the house finally. mnhcp You say so what if he is recruiting, I say follow the rules!!!!! Why is he given free range to create a team and no one else is. What is good for one is good for all and he is breaking the rules and no one else is allowed to. And how many skaters are on the B team?? Bottom line is he is breaking the rules. How can you not see the danger in allowing this to continue. I am fearful if the association does not stop this there entire teams season will be forfeit. There are to many people who follow the rules to allow this to happen. It is time for Blaine to man up and put a stop this!
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Notawannabe
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So we recruit girls in winter hockey now? Does this guy own a mirror? First of all nobody should schedule him. Is this any different than a coach picking his daughter on "select" or "elite" teams when she is clearly not at that level? This is a confused adult as to what an adults coaching responsiblities are. Our job is to be fair, responsible role models and teach skills and promote fair competition. Having success is great way to earn your hockey peers respect, however, only someone who can not attain it fairly would take this path. Last thing..................will you really feel good shaking hands? Yes you!!
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Notawannabe
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You are absolutely correct. I think if you yourself contact the District President you will find he has a long list of concerns from people on this issue from many associations. Rosters however are posted, are you implying Blaine is going to change their roster? It is also probably not well thought out to assume just because somebody blogs on a issue that they are not following the proper proticall.
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greybeard58
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This is not an issue for the District President,it is an issue for the District Director. Rosters being posted is a lot different than being signed off and that is not till November. A lot of people send e-mails but most lack facts just have rumors. The Presidents of the associations have the power to release or not, accept or not, then on to the District Director to make sure policies have been followed.
HERE ARE THE FACTS
Here are the facts. Blaine had 16 skaters and 2 Goalies prior to the waive ins. The girl from Forest Lake IS attending school in Forest Lake and is a great player. One of the girls waived in from Champlin Park is the daughter of A board member who is the bylaws director and has played with the Blaine coach in AAA before and midwest selects, and by the way is a good player. And as far as this not being a District President issue, WRONG!!!! IF there is a concern for the integrity of D10, he has no option but to act. Even if he has to delegate, fine, but don't just ignore the issue. I understand that people complain about everything but this is different. This is a blatant disregard for the rules. IMO there is no fowler thing you can do to your own association.
All 3 girls that waived in made the A team. If they had a girl of lesser talent wish to waive in would they be so quick to allow them in. I think not. 2 of the girls are selects and AAA caliber girls!!!!! Also what right does he have to make phone calls and recruit. Which is a fact by the way!!! D10 and Tim Timm need to handle this.
All 3 girls that waived in made the A team. If they had a girl of lesser talent wish to waive in would they be so quick to allow them in. I think not. 2 of the girls are selects and AAA caliber girls!!!!! Also what right does he have to make phone calls and recruit. Which is a fact by the way!!! D10 and Tim Timm need to handle this.
Fact: The Chisago girl that was contacted (solid player) has integrity and decided to stay.....her mom is also a 12B coach for Chisago...even Blaine can't get around that!
I would like to here from some families that were on the bubble in Blaine. All waivers made A! Who knows.. maybe winning at all costs is included in their Mission Satement.
Plucking 3 AAA players from other associations and only taking 11 skaters????
Winning will be expected, not appreciated by that association!
This one stinks rj04 has the facts and we need to act on it. Contact D10 directly or through your Association President.
I would like to here from some families that were on the bubble in Blaine. All waivers made A! Who knows.. maybe winning at all costs is included in their Mission Satement.
Plucking 3 AAA players from other associations and only taking 11 skaters????
Winning will be expected, not appreciated by that association!
This one stinks rj04 has the facts and we need to act on it. Contact D10 directly or through your Association President.
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I am aware
greybeard I am not stupid. I am sharing my information and opinion to enlighten the general public. I KNOW THAT STATEMENTS MADE HERE ARE OPINIONS!!! DUH!! But thank you for the update!
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Re: I am aware
[quote="rj04"]greybeard I am not stupid. I am sharing my information and opinion to enlighten the general public. I KNOW THAT STATEMENTS MADE HERE ARE OPINIONS!!! DUH!! But thank you for the update![/quote]
so RJ did you call the district director? Your against what is happening, and it sounds like it is breaking the rules. Let us know the outcome. We all can vent and say this is wrong, but few do something about it. Be the man RJ, what if Tolbert wanted somebody else to bat on Tuesday night? Thats right the Twins wouldn't get the chance to beat the yanks in 4.
so RJ did you call the district director? Your against what is happening, and it sounds like it is breaking the rules. Let us know the outcome. We all can vent and say this is wrong, but few do something about it. Be the man RJ, what if Tolbert wanted somebody else to bat on Tuesday night? Thats right the Twins wouldn't get the chance to beat the yanks in 4.
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You asked for an insider parent...this whole situation has been a mess with a lot of ups and downs. Blaine 1997 birth year has always been weak in numbers, two years ago we had the merger with SLP at 10U to make an A and B team. Everyone knew something needed to be done months ago - too many for one team, not enough for A and B. We had a new girls director that really feels strongly about players playing where they are age eligible. She feels every 12U eligible player should be able to play 12U. She was handed a mess and really did her best to look at many different options including contacting other associations to see if they needed homes for 12U players. No move ups from 10U (that may of worked, but are you robbing peter to pay paul?).
I see both sides: do I want players from other cities? NO, do I want my daughter playing with 16 skaters? NO, do I want my daughter playing with 1st and 2nd yr skaters on an A team? NO, do I want to be waived out if we don't make the A team? NO. My daughter wants to play hockey and we want to do it in Blaine - the attitude was, lets find a solution.
If you knew the agony behind all this - i think you would see there was no recruiting. Did he know the CP girls, YES. Did it help the numbers, YES. Did is solved the problem NO. Would I rather have someone know the girls being waived in and know their personality and not someone who will cause problems YES. I see some hockey lovers trying to make this work.
Forest Lake girl - is in process of moving to blaine. is what i heard from the director - i don't think anyone knew her.
Oh yeah - adding to the problem, majority of 14U eligible girls went to JV so 14U didn't have the numbers so the parents who petitioned "grade eligible" where moved up. I am still botherd by it all, but am glad its over, LETS PLAY HOCKEY. [/quote]
I see both sides: do I want players from other cities? NO, do I want my daughter playing with 16 skaters? NO, do I want my daughter playing with 1st and 2nd yr skaters on an A team? NO, do I want to be waived out if we don't make the A team? NO. My daughter wants to play hockey and we want to do it in Blaine - the attitude was, lets find a solution.
If you knew the agony behind all this - i think you would see there was no recruiting. Did he know the CP girls, YES. Did it help the numbers, YES. Did is solved the problem NO. Would I rather have someone know the girls being waived in and know their personality and not someone who will cause problems YES. I see some hockey lovers trying to make this work.
Forest Lake girl - is in process of moving to blaine. is what i heard from the director - i don't think anyone knew her.
Oh yeah - adding to the problem, majority of 14U eligible girls went to JV so 14U didn't have the numbers so the parents who petitioned "grade eligible" where moved up. I am still botherd by it all, but am glad its over, LETS PLAY HOCKEY. [/quote]