Will hanowski break career scoring record???
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Will hanowski break career scoring record???
Just looked at the career scoring record on some website. Hanowski was something like 105 points points away from breaking it. 13 games into the season he has something like 55 points. Any thoughts? Don't see a lot of talk about this i was suprised.
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He'll probably break it. I'd rather he not; he'll just get bashed because of their schedule during his stint. And I understand that. Anyone who's seen him play at his top level knows he deserves the hype, Little Falls or not. Either way, he's done a phenominal job and I hope he does well this post-season and at SCSU and beyond.
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I watched this kid in Elites, he is good, but playing a Little Falls schedule is not like playing a tougher Cities conference level of play where other strong kids match up against him and have the ability to shut him down.nipe 6 wrote:Just looked at the career scoring record on some website. Hanowski was something like 105 points points away from breaking it. 13 games into the season he has something like 55 points. Any thoughts? Don't see a lot of talk about this i was suprised.
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You can follow his progress at Follow The Puck.com. He needs 53 points to tie Pohl. Here is the link:nipe 6 wrote:Just looked at the career scoring record on some website. Hanowski was something like 105 points points away from breaking it. 13 games into the season he has something like 55 points. Any thoughts? Don't see a lot of talk about this i was suprised.
http://minnesota-high-school-hockey.blo ... watch.html
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Little Falls actually has a stronger schedule this year than in previous years. They are in the top 45% of schedule strength... about the same as Totino-Grace or Hopkins.Lakeviewing wrote:I watched this kid in Elites, he is good, but playing a Little Falls schedule is not like playing a tougher Cities conference level of play where other strong kids match up against him and have the ability to shut him down.nipe 6 wrote:Just looked at the career scoring record on some website. Hanowski was something like 105 points points away from breaking it. 13 games into the season he has something like 55 points. Any thoughts? Don't see a lot of talk about this i was suprised.
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Good article and really says what Little Falls hockey is all about, and what the future holds.dueling21 wrote:Story up on the Flyers...
http://www.mnsportspreview.com/hockey.htm
It's also up on the Hockey Hub.
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Re: Will hanowski break career scoring record???
Can't say I follow TG's schedule but Hopkins schedule will be significantly tougher in the final weeks given they play Minnetonka twice, Edina twice, Wayzata twice, EP, etc.The Exiled One wrote:Little Falls actually has a stronger schedule this year than in previous years. They are in the top 45% of schedule strength... about the same as Totino-Grace or Hopkins.
The schedules may look similar in strength to this stage but it shouldn't be close by year's end.
I would suspect Hanowski will break it because the competition isn't that great. While it is a nice accomplishment, people need to put it into perspective. For instance, look at what kids like Peter Mueller or Jordan Schroeder did as eight graders in HS hockey (and against better overall competition). Something tells me if we were able to keep kids around until their senior year, Pohl's record would have been surpassed a few times by now.
A nice accomplishment nonetheless.
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Yes, the schedule strengths are indeed heading in different directions, which would lead one to believe that Hano's ppg may actually increase!Gopher Blog wrote:Can't say I follow TG's schedule but Hopkins schedule will be significantly tougher in the final weeks given they play Minnetonka twice, Edina twice, Wayzata twice, EP, etc.The Exiled One wrote:Little Falls actually has a stronger schedule this year than in previous years. They are in the top 45% of schedule strength... about the same as Totino-Grace or Hopkins.
The schedules may look similar in strength to this stage but it shouldn't be close by year's end.
I would suspect Hanowski will break it because the competition isn't that great. While it is a nice accomplishment, people need to put it into perspective. For instance, look at what kids like Peter Mueller or Jordan Schroeder did as eight graders in HS hockey (and against better overall competition). Something tells me if we were able to keep kids around until their senior year, Pohl's record would have been surpassed a few times by now.
A nice accomplishment nonetheless.
As for Mueller, Breck's schedule isn't much better than Little Falls'... this year anyway. At least St. Thomas's is in the top 20. I'd be really impressed if somebody in the Lake or Classic Lake conference could do it. I'm looking at you Boyd!
In the end, it's a nice accomplishment, but in no way does it portend future success... though I certainly hope it does!
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Kids leave for greener pastures all the time. The fact is, it is still a MSHSL record which is definately a great accomplishment coming from the "State of Hockey".Gopher Blog wrote: While it is a nice accomplishment, people need to put it into perspective. For instance, look at what kids like Peter Mueller or Jordan Schroeder did as eight graders in HS hockey (and against better overall competition). Something tells me if we were able to keep kids around until their senior year, Pohl's record would have been surpassed a few times by now.
A nice accomplishment nonetheless.
And by the way, Johnny Pohl did not have a real tough schedule coming from Red Wing either.
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I didn’t say Pohl played a world class schedule either.southernmnscout wrote:Kids leave for greener pastures all the time. The fact is, it is still a MSHSL record which is definately a great accomplishment coming from the "State of Hockey".
And by the way, Johnny Pohl did not have a real tough schedule coming from Red Wing either.
Personally, I think hyping stats in HS hockey is generally a waste of time. The differences in schedule strength (and other factors) are pretty vast and we all know it skews the numbers in favor of good players that play in weak areas of the state. Put some of these guys in a tough suburban conference and they’d be lucky to get half that many points. If Hanowski was in the Lake, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion (not even close). That’s not to say he is a bad player. It is just recognizing the reality of the differences of competition.
For me, it is too vast a difference to make a big deal out of winning the scoring title (whether a scoring title for a season or for a career record). I don’t care if it is the State of Hockey. That doesn’t mean you lose all ability to analyze reality.
To me, ,you can equate Hanowski's success to Barry Bond's. Barry took steroids (Ben playing a weak schedule), but just because you do that does NOT mean you do not have to have raw natural talent. Hanowski would be a scoring leader at most other schools. Sure maybe not as many, but anyone that has that many goals has to be something special.
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Gopher Blog, I totally agree with you and was not meaning any bad feelings toward what you said. I agree that we would not be having this conversation in he was in a tough conference. I was only saying to some of the people that doubt his skill. He would be a DI player even if he played at Edina IMO.Gopher Blog wrote:I didn’t say Pohl played a world class schedule either.southernmnscout wrote:Kids leave for greener pastures all the time. The fact is, it is still a MSHSL record which is definately a great accomplishment coming from the "State of Hockey".
And by the way, Johnny Pohl did not have a real tough schedule coming from Red Wing either.
Personally, I think hyping stats in HS hockey is generally a waste of time. The differences in schedule strength (and other factors) are pretty vast and we all know it skews the numbers in favor of good players that play in weak areas of the state. Put some of these guys in a tough suburban conference and they’d be lucky to get half that many points. If Hanowski was in the Lake, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion (not even close). That’s not to say he is a bad player. It is just recognizing the reality of the differences of competition.
For me, it is too vast a difference to make a big deal out of winning the scoring title (whether a scoring title for a season or for a career record). I don’t care if it is the State of Hockey. That doesn’t mean you lose all ability to analyze reality.
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Just curious, where are the strength of schedule rankings posted???The Exiled One wrote:Little Falls actually has a stronger schedule this year than in previous years. They are in the top 45% of schedule strength... about the same as Totino-Grace or Hopkins.Lakeviewing wrote:I watched this kid in Elites, he is good, but playing a Little Falls schedule is not like playing a tougher Cities conference level of play where other strong kids match up against him and have the ability to shut him down.nipe 6 wrote:Just looked at the career scoring record on some website. Hanowski was something like 105 points points away from breaking it. 13 games into the season he has something like 55 points. Any thoughts? Don't see a lot of talk about this i was suprised.
Playoffs count for season totals am I correct? If so i can't possibly see him not breaking the record as he usually puts around 20 points or more on to his season total. And as for the guy who mentioned the Barry Bonds and steroids. You still gotta be able to hit a 95 mph fast ball on a sweet spot which is about an inch in diameter to hit homeruns, while they are pitching around you, giving you NO good pitches. So every team knows about Hanowski and no how good he is and I bet that every coach's game plan about to play against little falls all say the exact same thing, "shut down Hanowski." Even against a weak schedule every team knows when and where he is on the ice, shadows him with 1 or 2 guys, and he still produces.
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One point I will make is that three other top forwards in the state playing with the #1 (Edina) and #7 (Holy Angels) toughest schedules in the state (according to PS2) are Anders Lee, Marshall Everson, and Danny Mattson. Lee and Everson each have 42 in 16 games, Danny 43 in 14 games, while Hanowski has 57 in 14 games and his team has the #65 schedule.
The point to say that it still takes something to put up 4 points a game can be questioned with others in the state are putting up similar numbers with a tougher schedule. Ben gets 1 against Alex while Danny gets 5 against Culver (in two games).
On the flip side, those two teams are a better all around team, so the top players have better top players around them, while Ben is doing it on his own basically.
How are Danny and Anders doing? Anders is in his 5th year as a starter and Danny his 4th.
The point to say that it still takes something to put up 4 points a game can be questioned with others in the state are putting up similar numbers with a tougher schedule. Ben gets 1 against Alex while Danny gets 5 against Culver (in two games).
On the flip side, those two teams are a better all around team, so the top players have better top players around them, while Ben is doing it on his own basically.
How are Danny and Anders doing? Anders is in his 5th year as a starter and Danny his 4th.
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I agree, if this record is broken by Hanowski, it is impressive, anyway a player needs to get it done game by game and be a consistant scorer, it should be recognized no matter where they play and level of competition their school is at. It is not his point that his level of play is a lot higher than his high school competition level is at. The high school schedule is a grind and to be a contributor in point in every game speaks highly of the player. Good for him and keep racking up numbers and good luck. However, if the Little Falls program wants to move to the next level and be a recognized in the higher level of High School hockey ranks, they need to line up with some games against the Metro teams. Kind of reminds me of the Sleepy St. Mary's kid that racked up goals and scoring in a subpar league in early 2000 and was chosen by Mankato, but didn't make it. I am sure this wouldn't happen to him, but the D-1 level is a huge step up. Good luck, I am looking forward to see what he can do at St. Cloud.grindiangrad-80 wrote:It's a tremendous feat in any schedule.
3,000 kids a year playing high school hockey and he is in the running for all time scorer.
Pretty impressive in my book.
Congrats whether he does it or not.