I have seen two key D6 games at Edina in the past two weeks where the Edina minor officals have failed to start the hour clock. Under D6 rules, a game must be completed in 75 minutes as timed by an official game or hour clock separate from the scoreboard clock.
This separate clock is the responsibility of the "minor officials" to start and once started becomes the official clock that takes over and ends the game if it goes too long. It also becomes the clock on which the referees decide on overtime if the game is tied.
In the first game, failure to start the clock didn't matter (although it almost ended in a tie). In the second game it did because the game was tied and the Edina team was "hanging on" to get the tie. Because the "minor officials" had not started the hour clock count down, the referees refused overtime (five minutes could have been played).
An error by the home team should not allow them to benefit. It just looks bad.
Edina "minor officials"
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Re: Edina "minor officials"
Frederick,frederick61 wrote:I have seen two key D6 games at Edina in the past two weeks where the Edina minor officals have failed to start the hour clock. Under D6 rules, a game must be completed in 75 minutes as timed by an official game or hour clock separate from the scoreboard clock.
This separate clock is the responsibility of the "minor officials" to start and once started becomes the official clock that takes over and ends the game if it goes too long. It also becomes the clock on which the referees decide on overtime if the game is tied.
In the first game, failure to start the clock didn't matter (although it almost ended in a tie). In the second game it did because the game was tied and the Edina team was "hanging on" to get the tie. Because the "minor officials" had not started the hour clock count down, the referees refused overtime (five minutes could have been played).
An error by the home team should not allow them to benefit. It just looks bad.
You are talking out of school. To clarify…. The arena staff, Zamboni driver, starts the hour clock. This is not the responsibility of the “Minor Officials”, they don’t even have access to the clock. This is a common experience at most all arenas and is not limited to Braemar. There are times in which I have experienced this, we just end up using the wall clock and this problem can go either way, end the game too early or too late. The hour clock is all about keeping schedule, and over-time is only played if there is an adequate amount of time left to play. Anything under 5 minutes gets tight for over-time. You have a mandatory 1 min break between the 3rd period and over-time. You need to make sure there is enough time to play and still allow for the handshake line.
Fred,
Which games are you referring to? I couldn't find anything in the D6 rules that explicitly states the off-ice officials are responsible for the hour clock. Did a find on "off-ice" and "hour clock". It does state that if a hour clock is unavailable then the on-ice officials may designate an official hour clock and notify the benches and off-ice officials. While probably not the case, how does anyone in the stands know the clock/controller wasn't broken, therefore unavailable.
Which games are you referring to? I couldn't find anything in the D6 rules that explicitly states the off-ice officials are responsible for the hour clock. Did a find on "off-ice" and "hour clock". It does state that if a hour clock is unavailable then the on-ice officials may designate an official hour clock and notify the benches and off-ice officials. While probably not the case, how does anyone in the stands know the clock/controller wasn't broken, therefore unavailable.
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here is the D6 rules on the hour clock: by the way 5 minutes remaining is plenty of time for overtime to be played.
Perhaps Fred is stating the officials did not follow the proper procedure, and if the clock at Braemar is indeed broken it should be fixed immediately. There is overtime played in d6 games every week.
13.4 Hour Clock
Each rink in the district must have an operational hour clock visible to all off-ice and on-ice officials. This clock must meet the following criteria:
13.4.1 The clock must have a 4 inch or larger LED countdown system of 60 minutes with seconds display and countdown to 00:00 minute and seconds.
13.4.2 The clock must have remote set capability from the timekeeper’s bench.
13.4.3 The clock must have an audio buzzer located at the timekeeper’s bench that will sound at the 00:00 mark on the clock.
13.4.4 Once the clock has been started, it must run continuously.
13.4.5 The hour clock, if available, will be used to govern the 60 minutes that the game is to be played within and will determine the end of the game. If an hour clock is NOT available, the on-ice officials will determine what to use as the official clock and notify the off-ice officials and coaches.
13.9 Game Termination
A game is ended when either of the following occurs:
13.9.1 Completion of period 3, or
13.9.2 The allotted ice time has elapsed on the hour clock.
13.9.3 Overtime will be played if the game is tied at the end of period 3 and there is time remaining on the hour clock. After a one (1) minute rest time, the sudden death overtime period will consist of whatever time is remaining on the hour clock.
13.9.4 The on-ice officials are responsible for designating the end of the game.
13.9.5 The referee may end the game at his or her discretion in the third period or in overtime, if the referee believes continued play may lead to physical harm to players or officials.
Does anyone think this thread will eventually go back to how bad the D6 refs are compared to other districts ?
Perhaps Fred is stating the officials did not follow the proper procedure, and if the clock at Braemar is indeed broken it should be fixed immediately. There is overtime played in d6 games every week.
13.4 Hour Clock
Each rink in the district must have an operational hour clock visible to all off-ice and on-ice officials. This clock must meet the following criteria:
13.4.1 The clock must have a 4 inch or larger LED countdown system of 60 minutes with seconds display and countdown to 00:00 minute and seconds.
13.4.2 The clock must have remote set capability from the timekeeper’s bench.
13.4.3 The clock must have an audio buzzer located at the timekeeper’s bench that will sound at the 00:00 mark on the clock.
13.4.4 Once the clock has been started, it must run continuously.
13.4.5 The hour clock, if available, will be used to govern the 60 minutes that the game is to be played within and will determine the end of the game. If an hour clock is NOT available, the on-ice officials will determine what to use as the official clock and notify the off-ice officials and coaches.
13.9 Game Termination
A game is ended when either of the following occurs:
13.9.1 Completion of period 3, or
13.9.2 The allotted ice time has elapsed on the hour clock.
13.9.3 Overtime will be played if the game is tied at the end of period 3 and there is time remaining on the hour clock. After a one (1) minute rest time, the sudden death overtime period will consist of whatever time is remaining on the hour clock.
13.9.4 The on-ice officials are responsible for designating the end of the game.
13.9.5 The referee may end the game at his or her discretion in the third period or in overtime, if the referee believes continued play may lead to physical harm to players or officials.
Does anyone think this thread will eventually go back to how bad the D6 refs are compared to other districts ?
Was a duster and paying for it?????
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Thank you for the explaination. I would add that the clock now should be set 75 minutes not 60 minutes.
Hiptzech
I do not know how the clock is controlled at the Braemar, but this clock controls the length of the game whoever sets it. At other arenas, the clock is made clearly visible to the fans. In Braemar's East arena, the clock is right under the scoreboard.
My point is simple, if the rule exists and has meaning, then follow it. If the rule exists and is meaningless, change it. If the rule exists, do not plead ignorance or broken clock or other, fix it and follow the rules. Other arenas have used the clock religiously to control the maximum game time. Braemar is not an exception.
Thank you for the explaination. I would add that the clock now should be set 75 minutes not 60 minutes.
Hiptzech
I do not know how the clock is controlled at the Braemar, but this clock controls the length of the game whoever sets it. At other arenas, the clock is made clearly visible to the fans. In Braemar's East arena, the clock is right under the scoreboard.
My point is simple, if the rule exists and has meaning, then follow it. If the rule exists and is meaningless, change it. If the rule exists, do not plead ignorance or broken clock or other, fix it and follow the rules. Other arenas have used the clock religiously to control the maximum game time. Braemar is not an exception.
Fred,
My point about the clock not working was that you don't know why the clock wasn't on. I'm pretty sure the clock is in working order. I figured you were talking about the BB1 game. As for that game, the timekeeper didn't know he had to set the clock. Even though Valley was pressing an effort was made to play OT. So if the clock isn't set is it the responsibility of the off-ice official to notify the on-ice officials or the responsibility of the on-ice officials to notice the clock isn't on and have it set or designate an official hour clock?
As for Braemar East, most don't know the controller for the hour clock is on the wall by the Zamboni door. It is also tricky to set. If you don't pay attention, it is easy to set such that it will count too slow and in 60 min. it only counts down 1 minute.
As for the BB1 game were you sitting on the top row somewhat close to the entrance? Sitting next to a bigger guy with a yellow hat, gopher hat?
My point about the clock not working was that you don't know why the clock wasn't on. I'm pretty sure the clock is in working order. I figured you were talking about the BB1 game. As for that game, the timekeeper didn't know he had to set the clock. Even though Valley was pressing an effort was made to play OT. So if the clock isn't set is it the responsibility of the off-ice official to notify the on-ice officials or the responsibility of the on-ice officials to notice the clock isn't on and have it set or designate an official hour clock?
As for Braemar East, most don't know the controller for the hour clock is on the wall by the Zamboni door. It is also tricky to set. If you don't pay attention, it is easy to set such that it will count too slow and in 60 min. it only counts down 1 minute.
As for the BB1 game were you sitting on the top row somewhat close to the entrance? Sitting next to a bigger guy with a yellow hat, gopher hat?
Braemar South rink only.(this is the only one I know for sure is this way)
The hour clock is set and started in the penalty box.
I know, because I have been in this one. this is the only one like it that I have ever seen.
Seems pretty stupid. the rink staff never came over. It was our responsibility. (game officials.) So I can see where it wouldn't get started on time or at all. But don't get all bent at the parents who are in the box.
The hour clock is set and started in the penalty box.
I know, because I have been in this one. this is the only one like it that I have ever seen.
Seems pretty stupid. the rink staff never came over. It was our responsibility. (game officials.) So I can see where it wouldn't get started on time or at all. But don't get all bent at the parents who are in the box.
West Rink controller is also in the TC/PB area. At the start of the season the controller was not connected because I did the clk and couldn't set the hour clk. I believe the controller is there and was there for the BB1 game
mentioned earlier. We had a BB1 game at BIG where the hour clk wasn't set until after the first period. The refs swagged a time and everything worked fine.
mentioned earlier. We had a BB1 game at BIG where the hour clk wasn't set until after the first period. The refs swagged a time and everything worked fine.
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