Welch loses another player in Hastings

tshockey2 · Post by **tshockey2** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:49 am

Pretty soon there will be no one left at Hastings to coach. Why is every one leaving or quiting this hockey program? This program has been so good for so long. Is it time for Russ Welch to leave?

Pucknutz69 · Post by **Pucknutz69** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:26 am

this had nothing to do with Welch, kid can't follow the rules and then can't understand why he isn't starting. This is nothing but a discpline issue.

LZ94 · Post by **LZ94** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:27 am

Pucknutz69 wrote:this had nothing to do with Welch, kid can't follow the rules and then can't understand why he isn't starting. This is nothing but a discpline issue.

Doesn't the coach determine who is starting? That would have to do with the coach.

puckulence · Post by **puckulence** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:45 am

yeah it would, except every some kids get an ego and thinks he is the next gretzke or crosby....lets face it kids almost all of you won't make the NHL so go with the flow and don't cry about not starting. Good for the coach to tell him there is the door if you don't like it... BRAVO Mr. Welch

who_b_dat · Post by **who_b_dat** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:53 am

This will get rid of whatever ails ya...

puckulence · Post by **puckulence** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:05 am

No they just need to hand out some Midol to the players every 4 weeks or some

ROOK EYE · Post by **ROOK EYE** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:02 am

From what i heard the benching of the Waxlax kid was legitimate. He wasn't hustling back to the play. I don't think you can blame the coach for that. But it sounds like this kid has been a cancer all along. He gets suspended for like the 3rd time since his Soph. year for 12 games at the start of the season and Welch has him on the bench taking stats? Why? What's he doing on the bench? What message are you sending the other kids?? That's not coaching Pucknutz?? Tell me your brighter than that.. Please. Than you got the Dnagler praying this kid reconsiders?? Your team's on a roll why not go with the kids that got you there? I could care less what happens down there, but i for one can say if i had children playing hockey they wouldn't be playing in Hastings for this guy. Who in there right mind can blame the numerous kids that have left that program over that last 10 year's? Sounds like Welch needs to put a tent on the circus he's got going.

puckulence · Post by **puckulence** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:09 am

ROOK EYE wrote: He gets suspended for like the 3rd time since his Soph. year for 12 games at the start of the season and Welch has him on the bench taking stats? Why? What's he doing on the bench?

Would you rather him be in the stands with his friends taking the stats? At least this way he gets a punished and can't hang out during the games. He's on the bench where everyone can see him not playing and taking stats, this is punishment for a kid because he is a focal point every game for people in the stands to talk about. I am not saying I know what all has happened but making him be on the bench is a legit thing to do if a player is suspended.

tshockey2 · Post by **tshockey2** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:20 am

The kid has been Cancer since his Sophmore year. Why let him hang around. If I am coaching that team there is no way he is my Captain, no way he is on the bench taking stats, and no way he plays after his third offense. The wrong message was sent to the team here. It's ok to get caught three times violating the rules,but don't hook anyone on the power play because if you do. I will bench you. Should not be in the game in the first place. How many guys did Welch bench in the games that Wax did not play in. I know I'm there. Zero!!!! He is the scapegoat for another rotten coaching job by this clown. I agree with you Rook Eye. CANCER SPREADS!!!!!!!

ROOK EYE · Post by **ROOK EYE** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:23 am

At no time should this kid have felt like he was part of the team. Sound's to me like he could care less about his team or teammates.. Why would you want him around? Instead of hoping he reconsiders his decision as it says on another thread. They should have been hoping he got caught again so he gets suspended for the rest of the season..

Pucknutz69 · Post by **Pucknutz69** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:38 am

ROOK EYE wrote:From what i heard the benching of the Waxlax kid was legitimate. He wasn't hustling back to the play. I don't think you can blame the coach for that. But it sounds like this kid has been a cancer all along. He gets suspended for like the 3rd time since his Soph. year for 12 games at the start of the season and Welch has him on the bench taking stats? Why? What's he doing on the bench? What message are you sending the other kids?? That's not coaching Pucknutz?? Tell me your brighter than that.. Please. Than you got the Dnagler praying this kid reconsiders?? Your team's on a roll why not go with the kids that got you there? I could care less what happens down there, but i for one can say if i had children playing hockey they wouldn't be playing in Hastings for this guy. Who in there right mind can blame the numerous kids that have left that program over that last 10 year's? Sounds like Welch needs to put a tent on the circus he's got going.

He has been playing 3rd line and PP. The message he is sending is that if you break the rules you will pay the price. The other 2 lines are kids that were there when they were 0-8 and worked their butts off to develop some chemistry and knock off a couple of teams. So why change for a kid that can't hold true to his own word? What message would be sent if he put him on first line right away? You guys are forgetting that playing hockey is a PRIVILAGE not a god given right. You can't follow simple rules or think you are more important then the team then hit the road. On the other side of it maybe Russ was trying to help a young man straighten out, and hockey is his chance to seperate him from the other influences. He served his punishment 12 games, Russ gave him a chance to come back and contribute, sounds like he came back with the wrong attitude. Sounds to me like that is doing more then coaching, sounds like he was caring about someones future alot more then a others. It's not always about winning and losing, sometimes it's about clearing a path or straightening that path out.

Tuffy04 · Post by **Tuffy04** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:50 am

Russ Welch has nothing to do with this, you don't win the amount of games he has and made state tournament appearances like has because your a bad coach. This all starts with respect and discipline, which this kid has none of. Whether its in the stands or on the bench taking stats its been no secret the problems this kid has had the last three years.

This team was on a roll without him and this might throw speed bump in the way for a little bit, but this team will pick right back up were they left off and continue to have a successsful season.

Remember no one player is bigger than his team or the game and if you think you are, you know where the door is.

ALSECORD · Post by **ALSECORD** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:03 am

I would agree with the assesment that you can not blame Welch for the benching last night, as it seems a simple case of a player thinking he's higher than the team. But Pucknutz i'm not so sure Welch is ready for the Priesthood either. You had me damn near to tear's with the Inspirational/Life lesson thing. I'm sure he's a kind-caring person, but isn't this the same guy who has more bench penalties in his career than any coach in the history of the St Paul Suburban? Isn't this the same guy that pounded a referee in the tunnel at a game several year's back. Isn't this the same guy that has watched as his program has disinegrated over the last 10 year's? Nothing against the man, but from all i can tell maybe it's time for the coach to step down?? Every week it's something else down there..

Knight7 · Post by **Knight7** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:23 am

Bad Coach that has run several teams to the state, usually high in conference. Possibly having a tough go of it with this cycle of players?

Seems to me instead of the coach leaving how about the parent and player leaving. Where is the parent in all of this. Why is coach Welch responsible for bad parenting?

ALSECORD · Post by **ALSECORD** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:28 am

Your missing the point young fella. From the sounds of it, the players and parents have been leaving. For several year's now.. That's why he's in the prediciment he's in. Maybe they should try someting new.. Don't ya think??

AngusYoung · Post by **AngusYoung** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:31 am

Russ Welch = Coach of the Year

AY

ROOK EYE · Post by **ROOK EYE** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:42 am

First of all Secord Sucks!! But i would have to agree with you Big Al. At what point and time does the coach start taking on some of the responsiblity? When do the kids and the families stop leaving and the coach step down?? I have tried to be open minded about this subject, but it just seems as though there is a new issue down in Hastings every week regarding this guy. I have a hard time believing everthing is the kids and parents fault.

hockey nut · Post by **hockey nut** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:43 am

Hey Tuffy it sounds to me that Welch had everything to do with it. 3 strikes your out right. Why was he on the ice at all, and why is he a Captain. He has never coached a average team to a state tourney. The section he has been in his whole coaching career has been the worst section in the state. My 7 year old could of coached the last team to state. Your a smart kid don't get sucked in like everyone else in that community.

newsguy35 · Post by **newsguy35** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:50 am

ROOK EYE wrote:First of all Secord Sucks!! But i would have to agree with you Big Al. At what point and time does the coach start taking on some of the responsiblity? When do the kids and the families stop leaving and the coach step down?? I have tried to be open minded about this subject, but it just seems as though there is a new issue down in Hastings every week regarding this guy. I have a hard time believing everthing is the kids and parents fault.

Where is the AD in all of this? I agree with certain parts of arguments on both sides. Welch has had a tough go of it and may be havingt some trouble with the stearing of the ship. The parents may not be helping this young man, I do not know his home life so I wont go there but it may have something to do with it. All in all, the AD has the ultimate decision on how long the coach will be around and that is the person the complainers should be complaining to. Telling Russ Welch off will not get him to back down, talking to the AD with a decent sized group will atleast make him/her think.

Pucknutz69 · Post by **Pucknutz69** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:54 am

ALSECORD wrote:I would agree with the assesment that you can not blame Welch for the benching last night, as it seems a simple case of a player thinking he's higher than the team. But Pucknutz i'm not so sure Welch is ready for the Priesthood either. You had me damn near to tear's with the Inspirational/Life lesson thing. I'm sure he's a kind-caring person, but isn't this the same guy who has more bench penalties in his career than any coach in the history of the St Paul Suburban? Isn't this the same guy that pounded a referee in the tunnel at a game several year's back. Isn't this the same guy that has watched as his program has disinegrated over the last 10 year's? Nothing against the man, but from all i can tell maybe it's time for the coach to step down?? Every week it's something else down there..

Not saying he should be up for Priesthood. Chewing on a ref or using other methods of communication is a little different then trying to maybe help straighten a kid out. I don't know if that's what he was trying to do but thats what I would have done if I was coaching.

As for the 10 year thing name 1 program in the state that hasn't had up and down years??? He is only one piece of the puzzle and when all those pieces fit you have success, if they don't you have to look at all of the reasons why they don't. Maybe it is time for him to step down but I also think HE HAS EARNED THE RIGHT TO SAY WHEN HE IS STEPPING DOWN. Not be forced out by the likes of us.

Tuffy04 · Post by **Tuffy04** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:59 am

hockey nut wrote:Hey Tuffy it sounds to me that Welch had everything to do with it. 3 strikes your out right. Why was he on the ice at all, and why is he a Captain. He has never coached a average team to a state tourney. The section he has been in his whole coaching career has been the worst section in the state. My 7 year old could of coached the last team to state. Your a smart kid don't get sucked in like everyone else in that community.

You know as well as I do that every coach in the state is going to give one of his star players more than one chance. I'll agree with you about him being the captain.

As far as the worst section goes; If you call section 5 from '94 -'97 the worst section than your not the hockey nut your tending to be. Let me see Jefferson - Mike Crowley, Toby Peterson, Ryan Trebil. Apple Valley - Erik Westrum, Brad Defoew, Karl Goering.

Look Welch leaving isn't going to solve anything. These kids are to spoiled now days and when things don't go there way they start crying and looking for the easy way out. If they don't like getting yellled at or not getting enough playing time, maybe there playing at the wrong level.

hockeyphenom · Post by **hockeyphenom** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:40 pm

From what it sounds like waxlax has a bad attitude and nobody wants to play with him..why would your teammates want you there if all you do is %$#@ at them every single day. That ruins the team chemistry and helps no one. This sounds like this is the best thing for the team is for him to be gone. As i understand it it was a cloe game before waxlax decided to give up and take a couple shifts off then get a penalty. No hustle,bad attitude, problems outside of hockey,teammates are sick of him? I think that spells CANCER get out.

gopherhockey1234 · Post by **gopherhockey1234** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:49 pm

Hastings is in a downward spiral. The next years will be worse than the past two. With a majority of seniors on the team this year leaving, some of the decent kids in the Bantam team rumored to be leaving. It doesn't look good. Even if Welch doesn't coach next year they will still leave.

Pucknutz69 · Post by **Pucknutz69** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:52 pm

One thing I think some of you are confused about is the players leaving thing. The kids that would be playing here are all from the same group of bantams that left. In the history of the program Hastings has routinely kept the kids in town, it's the only place they serve that special koolaid. This is the first mass migration they have had to deal with, Russ put them in as sophmores and when they didn't win they players blamed Russ and left. How many programs are winning when 2 lines are sophmores? They did okay but not what they were used to in youth hockey. Some were on the path to privates long before they skated for Russ. If there was internet forums back in the early 80's this would be Johnson High school instead of Hastings.

Gopher Blog · Post by **Gopher Blog** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:04 pm

I don't know anything about this specific situation but I always find it a sad cop out when a coach gets blamed for a player that quits if/when the player's behavior was ultimately at fault. If the player was a screw up and didn't listen to the coach in some fashion, he should be disciplined. If he decides to quit because the coach disciplined him, it doesn't say much about the player's character. Don't blame the coach for enforcing proper discipline.

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