How will D8 Peewee A teams be seeded?

[frederick61]

Seeding the Rochester teams in D8 playoffs will be a controversial process. Why? They could have enough points in the standings to rate a bye. They will have enough points to eliminate other D8 teams that have played a much tougher D8 schedule. Don’t get me wrong. The Rochester teams are fine teams and have a strong presence in peewee A hockey (made the State Semifinals last year). My point is that the D8 teams deserve better.

The playoff format has been recently posted on the D8 site and it has not changed from past years. That means 12 of the following teams will make the trip to Hastings (Woodbury, Eagan, Rochester 1 & 2, Sibley, Lakeville North & South, Winona, Farmington, Rosemount, Red Wing, Hastings, South St. Paul/Inver Grove Heights, Cottege Grove and Northfield).

But the regular schedule has D8 north teams playing each other and D8 east teams playing each other. That means Rochester 1 & 2 have played a mostly east schedule. Rochester 1 (besides having 2 games with Rochester 2) has played or will play Farmington (twice), Faribault, Red Wing (twice), New Prague, Winona (twice), Northfield (twice), Owatonna, Hastings, Austin, and Eagan.

The playoff format seeds the top 4 teams and gives them a bye. Normally this is done by league point total. The bottom teams are eliminated from the playoff. The top 4 teams by point total based on current standings would be Rochester 1 & 2, Woodbury and Eagan.

Based on current point total the bottom four teams are SSP/IGH, Cottage Grove and Northfield are in danger of elimination. Hastings is close. The SSP/IGH and Hastings teams have a grueling schedule left against the top teams in the league. Their chance to gain significant additional league points is tough. Both these teams have been competitive during the season.

Without seedings, based on current standings you have the following draw starting with a wild card single elimination game.
Game 1: Farmington vs Winona winner plays Woodbury
Game 2: Sibley vs Hastings winner plays Rochester 1
Game 3: Lakeville North vs Rosemount plays Eagan
Game 4: Lakeville South vs Red Wing plays Rochester 2

One can make a case for Rochester teams being seeded in the top 4 and one can make an equal case for Rochester teams being in the wild card games. The problem is that the current league results will not likely resolve this, someone or someones will have to. I hope they have planned a long session. Once the top teams are decided, then they will have to decide on which teams to eliminate. The league results will not help. The session will be longer.

[elliott70]

I believe the coaches are voting on the seeding.

You could send an email to Rich Rakness to confirm this.

[nahc]

District 8 comes through again!!!!!!!!!! What a travesty.......no way either Rochester team should be seeded ahead of Woodbury, Eagan, Lakeville South and Lakeville North.......

[elliott70]

District 8 comes through again!!!!!!!!!! What a travesty.......no way either Rochester team should be seeded ahead of Woodbury, Eagan, Lakeville South and Lakeville North.......

They are not seeded above anyone, yet.
Fredrick is just giving his view of how it might be.

[elliott70]

I believe coaches will rank all teams except their own. All votes will be tallied and teams will be seeded from there. All teams will be in the play-offs with the lower teams in play-in games. The only thing that will cause any concern if there is a tie that cnanot be broken by the tie-breaker rule.

Again, an email to Rich Rakness will give you clarification.

[hockeyfromrochester]

thats an interesting view. thanks for your opinion

[CoachJ]

I believe coaches will rank all teams except their own. All votes will be tallied and teams will be seeded from there. All teams will be in the play-offs with the lower teams in play-in games. The only thing that will cause any concern if there is a tie that cnanot be broken by the tie-breaker rule.

Again, an email to Rich Rakness will give you clarification.

How can they have a coach seed a team at has not played?

Mankato is 13-1 in league play. They lost 9-1 to SSP who is at the bottom of standings. SSP also tied Woodbury 1-1.

Rochester 2 tied SSP 1-1, Northfield 3-3, Farmington 3-3 and they are at the top of District standings.

Rochester 1 beat Redwing 4-1 and woodbury beat redwing 11-0 & 11-1. So again if Woodbury finished with less points then Rochester 1 how can a Coach seed them higher then any of the Original District 8 Teams.

Rochester Won District 8 league play last year with 1-15 skaters and only 1 A-team so I'am not turning this into Rochester isn't a 1-4 seed. All I'am trying to show is this is going to be a mess. I know someone from District 8 is going to come on hear and say relax it will all work out in the end. Yes the better team will rise to the top. But why have standings if at the end of season Coach seeds the teams. SSP could be out and Redwing in and they never played each other.

[CoachJ]

Fredrick 61


Please seed the teams in the order you feel they will end up.

I know you have seen most of these teams and I would feel more comfortable with you picking the seedings then some coach that didn't get a chance to see a team play. I know the Coach for our team will be at the meeting with some major questions about the process. Top 4 teams someone won't be happy. Is a 13-1 mankato team better then SSP 2-10. SSP beat Mankato 9-1. I just think if you beat a team by 8 goals you are better. I don't coach for SSP I'am just telling you the score. Since you referenced ssp might not make playoffs.

[frederick61]

Fredrick 61


Please seed the teams in the order you feel they will end up.

I know you have seen most of these teams and I would feel more comfortable with you picking the seedings then some coach that didn't get a chance to see a team play. I know the Coach for our team will be at the meeting with some major questions about the process. Top 4 teams someone won't be happy. Is a 13-1 mankato team better then SSP 2-10. SSP beat Mankato 9-1. I just think if you beat a team by 8 goals you are better. I don't coach for SSP I'am just telling you the score. Since you referenced ssp might not make playoffs.

I won't seed the teams, that is for D8 to do, but in the hopes of eliminating the confusion, read the following.

It is my understanding that D4 has a seeding process in place separated from D8 teams this year. D4 will seed the D4 teams only (going by current D4 listed teams by Minnesota Hockey). D8 will seed the D8 teams only. That means there are by my count 15 D8 peewee A teams to be seeded and that covers all the North Division teams as well as some but not all East Division teams.

The D4 process set at the start of the season. It required all D4 teams to submit all scores of scrimmages and tourneys each team participated in addition to league games. The D4 teams to be seeded were told that all these game results will be used to determine seeds, but I don't know who will do the actual seeding.

D8 will ask the 15 peewee A team coaches to seed all the other 14 teams, but not their own teams. The D8 peewee A teams, as I understand it, to be seeded are (alphabetically listed):
1. Cottage Grove
2. Eagan
3. Farmington
4. Hastings
5. SSP/IGH
6. Lakeville South
7. Lakeville North
8. Northfield
9. Red Wing
10.Rochester Red (or 1)
11.Rochester Black (or 2)
12.Rosemount
13.Sibley
14.Winona
15.Woodbury

Once the 15 teams are seeded, the last three seeds will be asked if they want to participate in the D8 playoffs. Those that do will then have to play the lowest seeded team of the 12 teams (if all three teams chose to participate, then #15 would play #12, #14 would play #11 and #13 would play #10) in a single elimination game at the higher seeds ice. Once twelve seeded teams have been established, the regular D8 playoff format (of 12 teams) kicks in at Hastings.

I believe this is correct, but somebody may know something else or things may have changed in the past week, so please comment.

[CoachJ]

Fredrick 61


Please seed the teams in the order you feel they will end up.

I know you have seen most of these teams and I would feel more comfortable with you picking the seedings then some coach that didn't get a chance to see a team play. I know the Coach for our team will be at the meeting with some major questions about the process. Top 4 teams someone won't be happy. Is a 13-1 mankato team better then SSP 2-10. SSP beat Mankato 9-1. I just think if you beat a team by 8 goals you are better. I don't coach for SSP I'am just telling you the score. Since you referenced ssp might not make playoffs.

I won't seed the teams, that is for D8 to do, but in the hopes of eliminating the confusion, read the following.

It is my understanding that D4 has a seeding process in place separated from D8 teams this year. D4 will seed the D4 teams only (going by current D4 listed teams by Minnesota Hockey). D8 will seed the D8 teams only. That means there are by my count 15 D8 peewee A teams to be seeded and that covers all the North Division teams as well as some but not all East Division teams.

The D4 process set at the start of the season. It required all D4 teams to submit all scores of scrimmages and tourneys each team participated in addition to league games. The D4 teams to be seeded were told that all these game results will be used to determine seeds, but I don't know who will do the actual seeding.

D8 will ask the 15 peewee A team coaches to seed all the other 14 teams, but not their own teams. The D8 peewee A teams, as I understand it, to be seeded are (alphabetically listed):
1. Cottage Grove
2. Eagan
3. Farmington
4. Hastings
5. SSP/IGH
6. Lakeville South
7. Lakeville North
8. Northfield
9. Red Wing
10.Rochester Red (or 1)
11.Rochester Black (or 2)
12.Rosemount
13.Sibley
14.Winona
15.Woodbury

Once the 15 teams are seeded, the last three seeds will be asked if they want to participate in the D8 playoffs. Those that do will then have to play the lowest seeded team of the 12 teams (if all three teams chose to participate, then #15 would play #12, #14 would play #11 and #13 would play #10) in a single elimination game at the higher seeds ice. Once twelve seeded teams have been established, the regular D8 playoff format (of 12 teams) kicks in at Hastings.

I believe this is correct, but somebody may know something else or things may have changed in the past week, so please comment.

Thank You for all your work on this matter. I'am glad to see they are splitting some of the teams up. This should make it a little less confusing. Our Coach thought he was going to seed all the teams.