elliott70 wrote:Per NCAA recruiting guidelines..
Contact with potential student athlete can begin on JUne 15th following sophmore year in high school with basic, generic, non-athletic information and can include sport camp information.
Telephone calls limited to 1 per month.
Recruiting opportunities and contacts are limited.
There are not a lot of 14 year-olds recruited.
Txts, Facebook and Twitter do not have the same guidelines..... also I believe that version of the rule you posted has alot more to it than that as "contact" is a nebulous thing in recruiting. If you don't think 14 year olds are being contacted your head is in the sand.
A contact occurs any time a college coach says more than hello during a face-to-face contact with a college-bound student-athlete or his or her parents off the college’s campus.
During a contact period a college coach may have face-to-face contact with college-bound student-athletes or their parents, watch student-athletes compete and visit their high schools, and write or telephone student-athletes or their parents.
How many college coaches/recruiters do you know?
Whether you want to believe it or not, they follow the rules (at least the 12 to 15 ones I know (have known).
On a side note if you bring in college players to sign autographs at a tournament involving Bantam/G14 or older, you better check with the college and NCAA to see what hoops you need to jump through so the players would not be in danger of loosing their eligibility.
elliott70 wrote:Per NCAA recruiting guidelines..
Contact with potential student athlete can begin on JUne 15th following sophmore year in high school with basic, generic, non-athletic information and can include sport camp information.
Telephone calls limited to 1 per month.
Recruiting opportunities and contacts are limited.
There are not a lot of 14 year-olds recruited.
Txts, Facebook and Twitter do not have the same guidelines..... also I believe that version of the rule you posted has alot more to it than that as "contact" is a nebulous thing in recruiting. If you don't think 14 year olds are being contacted your head is in the sand.
A contact occurs any time a college coach says more than hello during a face-to-face contact with a college-bound student-athlete or his or her parents off the college’s campus.
During a contact period a college coach may have face-to-face contact with college-bound student-athletes or their parents, watch student-athletes compete and visit their high schools, and write or telephone student-athletes or their parents.
How many college coaches/recruiters do you know?
Whether you want to believe it or not, they follow the rules (at least the 12 to 15 ones I know (have known).
I know 8 college coaches in 3 different sports. 4 live in my neighborhood. Why? I didn't say the coaches weren't following the rules, I think you don't know the rules as well as you think. 14 year olds are giving verbal committments to colleges regularly, not often in hockey but they exist (Jordan Schmaltz exhibit A...)... so you are syaing they are doing this 100% of their own volitiona nd were never contacted or recruited by anyone before committing.... seems odd considering most have even taken an official visit before committing.... I think you are missing a "loophole" in the rules when it comes to recruiting players not yet in high school....
JSR wrote:
Txts, Facebook and Twitter do not have the same guidelines..... also I believe that version of the rule you posted has alot more to it than that as "contact" is a nebulous thing in recruiting. If you don't think 14 year olds are being contacted your head is in the sand.
A contact occurs any time a college coach says more than hello during a face-to-face contact with a college-bound student-athlete or his or her parents off the college’s campus.
During a contact period a college coach may have face-to-face contact with college-bound student-athletes or their parents, watch student-athletes compete and visit their high schools, and write or telephone student-athletes or their parents.
How many college coaches/recruiters do you know?
Whether you want to believe it or not, they follow the rules (at least the 12 to 15 ones I know (have known).
I know 8 college coaches in 3 different sports. 4 live in my neighborhood. Why? I didn't say the coaches weren't following the rules, I think you don't know the rules as well as you think. 14 year olds are giving verbal committments to colleges regularly, not often in hockey but they exist (Jordan Schmaltz exhibit A...)... so you are syaing they are doing this 100% of their own volitiona nd were never contacted or recruited by anyone before committing.... seems odd considering most have even taken an official visit before committing.... I think you are missing a "loophole" in the rules when it comes to recruiting players not yet in high school....
The players are 'committing' but the colleges are not.
And they (the players) can change their minds and do.
The gist of this thing was that Lucia was a hypocrite for taking 14 year-olds, not true of him (or others).
elliott70 wrote:
A contact occurs any time a college coach says more than hello during a face-to-face contact with a college-bound student-athlete or his or her parents off the college’s campus.
During a contact period a college coach may have face-to-face contact with college-bound student-athletes or their parents, watch student-athletes compete and visit their high schools, and write or telephone student-athletes or their parents.
How many college coaches/recruiters do you know?
Whether you want to believe it or not, they follow the rules (at least the 12 to 15 ones I know (have known).
I know 8 college coaches in 3 different sports. 4 live in my neighborhood. Why? I didn't say the coaches weren't following the rules, I think you don't know the rules as well as you think. 14 year olds are giving verbal committments to colleges regularly, not often in hockey but they exist (Jordan Schmaltz exhibit A...)... so you are syaing they are doing this 100% of their own volitiona nd were never contacted or recruited by anyone before committing.... seems odd considering most have even taken an official visit before committing.... I think you are missing a "loophole" in the rules when it comes to recruiting players not yet in high school....
The players are 'committing' but the colleges are not.
And they (the players) can change their minds and do.
The gist of this thing was that Lucia was a hypocrite for taking 14 year-olds, not true of him (or others).
Kids do not give verbals to schools who have no scholarship for them....... period..... you are correct that both sides can change their mids until a LOI is signed but let's be realistic, the kids change their minds more often than the schools usually Not to say it doesn't happen both ways but it's more tilted to one side IMHO. Usually what happens is the kid ends up at school and if it turns out he can't play after a season or two he suddenly "transfers" to another school either at D1 or D3....
It's only hypocritical if you say things like "a kid who is 13/14 years old and is great may not be great at 19-20 and we need to let kids develop blah blah blah?" and THEN go and "accept" a verbal committment from a 14 year old. If in fact Lucia has never ever done that then he is not a hypocrite (or any other coach in that boat), but if he (or any other coach) says those things but does th eother then it is. That is all I was saying.... Well that and the fact that he was denounicing the way things are being done BUT that schools, even if it is not his school, are pursuing ever younger "kids" in getting verbal committments and to me that is the fuel to the problem he describes. I wish they'd do away with verbal committments, I wish they had even stricter rules on when contact can begin and what contact is and I wish the earliest a kid could sign an LOI was after his junior year of high school but I doubt they'll listen to me....
elliott70 wrote:I am not defending Lucia (or any of the other college and junior coaches), just saying they are not actively recruiting 14 year-olds.
I was at both of the 98 T1EHL Showcase, AND the SuperSeries 98 Tourney in St. Louis the last few weeks, and I can guarantee you that your comment is wrong. To say the MN College recruiters are not watching, (and recruiting) 14 year olds would be an obtuse perspective.
elliott70 wrote:I am not defending Lucia (or any of the other college and junior coaches), just saying they are not actively recruiting 14 year-olds.
I was at both of the 98 T1EHL Showcase, AND the SuperSeries 98 Tourney in St. Louis the last few weeks, and I can guarantee you that your comment is wrong. To say the MN College recruiters are not watching, (and recruiting) 14 year olds would be an obtuse perspective.
elliott70 wrote:I am not defending Lucia (or any of the other college and junior coaches), just saying they are not actively recruiting 14 year-olds.
I was at both of the 98 T1EHL Showcase, AND the SuperSeries 98 Tourney in St. Louis the last few weeks, and I can guarantee you that your comment is wrong. To say the MN College recruiters are not watching, (and recruiting) 14 year olds would be an obtuse perspective.
I LOVE it when there is an opportunity to mix in the word "obtuse". Reminds me of Andy Dufresne. He got a month in the hole for that ya know.
elliott70 wrote:I am not defending Lucia (or any of the other college and junior coaches), just saying they are not actively recruiting 14 year-olds.
I was at both of the 98 T1EHL Showcase, AND the SuperSeries 98 Tourney in St. Louis the last few weeks, and I can guarantee you that your comment is wrong. To say the MN College recruiters are not watching, (and recruiting) 14 year olds would be an obtuse perspective.
I LOVE it when there is an opportunity to mix in the word "obtuse". Reminds me of Andy Dufresne. He got a month in the hole for that ya know.