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[HShockeywatcher]

goalieguy, you aren't a computer, you are a human, you can let certain things affect how you rank teams. You will be ranking the richfield team that will be playing in sections. Not the one that played without one of their top players. And yes, they are different teams. Read the other thread, other people think so too. If the seeding is done in the near future, probably no change, but what if they were to upset Hill? Sure if it were just one forward or something, you'd have a point, but it's their goalie. If Crandall were out of net for St Thomas for as long as Guggs was for Richfield and he came back they'd be a way different team too. Based on when people have said the seeding is done, I don't think they should, or will, get #2 or #3, but you are very naive to be saying the things you are.

That's like if WBL wins out and voting them #5 because of the games they lost at the beginning of the season.

[HShockeywatcher]

At this point the final should probably be St Thomas/Richfield, and Guggs will keep them in the game, but Richfield didn't score on St Thomas in Richfield, so we'll see...

[goalieguy1]

Take it to the bank, mathrunner/hockeywatcher: There will not be a Richfield/St. Thomas final, and Richfield will not magically jump into a #2 seed because they have a different goalie. It's obvious you've never been in a seeding meeting, never been a coach and have no clue how these things are put together.

For you to call someone naive is like Bill Clinton calling someone a liar. Earlier this week you asked on a different thread, "In sections do you keep playing OT until someone scores?" Which is a strong candidate for the dumbest thing ever asked on this - or any other - board. A good runner-up for dumbest question would be "Why aren't Class AA tickets general admission?" That one was also yours.

St. Thomas could play any competent goalie without any appreciable dropoff. Crandall is nothing special; He's a product of playing on a very good team. If you threw him on a middle-of-the-pack team like Northfield or South St. Paul, he'd have a GAA over 4.00. There are several dozen goalies in Minnesota who could have a GAA under 3.00 if they played for St. Thomas. They're a very good team, but goaltending is not the reason why.

[Offside]

Goalieguy1,

I'd have to respectfully disagree with your evaluation of Crandall. He is not an exceptional goalie YET. He is very good. Remember he is a junior, played well last year, even though he had a great supporting cast particularly in his forwards. They could control the puck offensively so most opponents had few(er) shots. I understand he had a decent Upper Midwest Elite League season this past fall. I'm sure he will play again and further hone his skills.

on the seedings, I suppose Richfield could get a higher seeding (than 4) if they end up beating STA in their upcoming game on Feb 8th.

[sniper1675]

anyone know what the official date is for seeding?

[HShockeywatcher]

Goalieguy, I sincerely apologize to you for asking questions. I hope it hasn't burdened you too much to have had to read them and not any of the explanation following them...

As for Crandall not being a pivotal part of St Thomas, you are dead wrong. Apparently you weren't at the Edina game where Crandall was the reason they were in the game, or the Hill game where he was the reason they didn't get beat even worse. You're telling me that the game they played their back up and won 10-3 against NSP, they wouldn't have done any better with Crandall between the posts?

I have never been a hockey coach, to a seedings meeting or have any clue how they are put together. Congrats to you and may your first born be a boy if you have. But to say that taking away a key player or adding one to a team doesn't change the team at all? Especially one like a goalie?

[goalieguy1]

Okay genius, let's look at it this way: St. Thomas has 14 wins this year so far. Can you tell me which of those games they won because of Crandall? Red Wing? Hardly. Red Wing had almost no good scoring chances, and the only goal they got came because Crandall mishandled the puck and let a weak rebound slip underneath him. Everything I read about the tie with Duluth Marshall said that his poor 1st period was the reason STA didn't win.

Here's a list of other STA wins:

Lourdes W 5-1
Breck W 6-0
South St. Paul W 8-1
Sibley W 6-1
Simley W 7-1
Tartan W 4-0
Burnsville W 5-2
Mahotmedi W 5-1
Richfield 3-0
North W 10-3
South St. Paul W 6-1
Sibley W 6-0
Simley W 8-0

In which of these games did Crandall make a difference? Which game would they have lost if they only had an "average" goaltender? The truth is that with any competent goalie, STA's record would be exactly the same as it is with Crandall.

Offside: I respect your contribution to the discussion, because you at least have a clue what you're talking about. However, I saw a great deal of Crandall in the Elite II two years ago, and in the Elite league this past fall. In neither case was he even the best goalie on his team.

Elsewhere on this board is a thread about best goalies...it runs 5 pages and has 70-some entries, mentioning a couple dozen different goalies, and NOWHERE does anyone bring up Crandall's name as one of the top goalies around. I'm not bashing him personally, he's probably a nice kid, he'll probably end up in the state tourney again, but he's just riding STA's coattails. And if you talk to any scouts, or coaches who know anything about the technical aspects of goaltending, they'll tell you the same thing.

[goalieguy1]

[quote="HShockeywatcher"]Goalieguy, I sincerely apologize to you for asking questions. quote]

Again you miss the point. Asking questions is fine, but when the questions are like these: (these are all yours, verbatim)

In sections do you keep playing OT until someone scores?
Why aren't Class AA tickets general admission?
They have penalty shots in high school?

And then you post "insights" like this (again, verbatim):

Really, the only team to make it to state is the team who doesn't lose.

People go to the AA tournament just to see hockey

Many good teams get lots of goals against bad teams

Goals scored is obviously the most important stat of the game

The easiest way to not have a topic talked about is to not talk about it

Then it's impossible to take you seriously. And yet you spout off clueless opinions, insult people who disagree with you and then boast about your knowledge by posting this:

I know quite a bit about everything in sports

If you need to ask questions about some of the most basic things in hockey, fine. Most of us here on the board are happy to help educate, and want to learn more ourselves. But then you have to understand that if your knowledge is at such an elementary level, then your opinions on other things really don't have much validity, and you're intruding on people who want to have a serious discussion.

[southernmnscout]

Amen Goalieguy!!!

I could not have said it better myself!

[Offside]

I asked in another thread if HSHockey watcher had a real job or went to a real school.

I know now that that would really not be possible. I'm sorry that I insulted all the employers and schools out there.

[HShockeywatcher]

I always thought that you'd keep playing until there was a winner. But in November someone said "in tournaments they go to a shootout in an interest of time. So, I thought I'd say.
Why aren't AA tickets general admission? I went to a Class A school and from personal experience I had reasons to think they shouldn't be and people who agreed with me, so I asked.
I have never seen a penalty shot in a high school game, and I have seen multiple times where something similar happened to when one was given in an NHL game, so I thought I'd ask.
I didn't play hockey in high school and in all sports there is much difference between high school, college, and the pros. So, I asked.

As for Crandall. Why didn't St Thomas lose to Edina by a lot more? Crandall. Why did St Thomas lose to Cretin by so much? St Thomas D. I will admit Crandall is a goalie who makes the simplest of mistakes, but he is also one who makes saves you wouldn't expect many goalies to make. All the games you listed are with sub-par teams, aside from Burnsville. So, you are right, he wasn't the reason they won. But probably part of the reason for th margin. Plus if you look at the N St Paul game in which he didn't play, (N St Paul lost to every other conference team aside from Simley and Sibley) the GA would have been less if he were in net.

Many people post on here occasionally during the day and then at night like I do. How would that be a tell for anything?

[goalieguy1]

I always thought that you'd keep playing until there was a winner....I didn't play hockey in high school.

Okay, now that we know what your level of understanding is, we'll do our best to help get you up to speed. Here are a few basics:

The puck is made of a substance known as "rubber."
The "ice" on which the players skate is actually frozen water.
Each player is required to wear a helmet.
When a penalty is called, the player is sent to a place called the "penalty box."
When a team scores, it's called a "goal," not a "point" as you've made reference to.
During the game, players inhale a substance called "Oxygen." They emit a substance called "Carbon Dioxide." Almost all of the fans do the same thing.
On the morning after a game, the sun rises in the east, even if the private school lost the night before.
Many good teams get lots of goals against bad teams. (Oh, sorry, you knew - and posted - that already.)

Now that we've shared a few things, why don't you spend the next few months trying to get your head around all these facts, then come see us again next October?

You're welcome.

[HShockeywatcher]

Public school education teach you how to quote things?

[southernmnscout]

[hawkfan70]

The "ice" on which the players skate is actually frozen water.

That is my favorite one

When a penalty is called, the player is sent to a place called the "penalty box."

and feels shame

[Fighting Saints]

When do the section seedings come out....what are your predictions for placements???

[Offside]

1. STA
2. Red Wing or Lourdes
3. Red Wing or Lourdes
4. Richfield
5. Northfield
6. Simley
et al

[Fighting Saints]

1. STA
2. Red Wing
3. Lourdes
4. Richfield
5. Northfield
6. Simley
7. SSP
8. Min Academy
9. LaCrescent
10. SPA

[shooter111]

1. STA
2. Red Wing
3. Lourdes
4. Richfield

everybody else.

[sniper1675]

I would just like to take this time and personally thank golieguy and HShockeywatcher for that great argument it was a great read

[goalieguy1]

Thank you, you've been a great audience. Good night, drive safely, and don't forget to tip your server.

[HShockeywatcher]

You're welcome. I get a kick out of the things they will write, so if it's a good read for someone, sweet.

1. STA
2. Lourdes
3. Richfield
4. Red Wing
5. Northfield
6. SSP
7. Simley
8. Min Academy
9. LaCrescent
10. SPA

[HShockeywatcher]

Bringing Hill to OT doesn't bring up your ranking?

[Offside]

I don't think games outside the section have much weight on section seeding.

[Zamman]

I bet they will they call it head-tohead games.... and since there are many CSC team in this section they should get used for their efforts...