Why scores are inaccurate in Media...

[ghshockeyfan]

We've seen too much of this this year...<br><br>Interesting to say the least isn't it. One big problem that we have is that there are too many score reporting entities embraced by different groups of teams/coaches.<br><br>Some of this was addressed in the Fall at the Coaches Assn meeting I hear when the Star Trib's SportsHuddle was adopted as the official score reporting entity.<br><br>The issue with this is that outstate coaches can enter their stats there, but their local papers/media won't typically go there to obtain info. Maybe would go to AP or MSHSL, but not to a competitor's site I can't imagine unless they fall under the same parent media company (which is the case for some of our papers in the state)...<br><br>What is really needed is a independent central clearinghouse (like AP) that all teams embrace as the score reporting location. Teams could enter their complete boxscores in such a place, and then other entities could access this to upload that data for their media uses (newspapers, websites, etc.).<br><br>Also would be nice to have complete boxscore utilities available (SportsHuddle & MSHSL don't have this capability) if anyone wished to utilize them and if so wouldn't have to call scores in as just make all entities aware that the info. is posted on a certain central clearinghouse site...<br><br>This would save a tremendous amount of duplication work for the coaches/teams, serve as a central point for dissemination of accurate information, and be what's best.<br><br>I wonder if such an opportunity could be embraced if it presented itself? Sometimes these things are fought as change is not always welcome, while often best...<br><br>If we want accuracy, we have to drive the process. <p></p><i></i>

[ghshockeyfan]

Case in point...<br><br>Author Comment <br>hockeyfinatic<br>Registered Member<br>Posts: 104<br>(2/15/06 7:59 pm)<br>Reply Edina 3 Eden Prairie 2<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br> Wow! <br> <br>Rocketwrister<br>Registered Member<br>Posts: 374<br>(2/15/06 8:01 pm)<br>Reply Re: Edina 3 Eden Prairie 2<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br> Is this for confirmed? <br>www.rebelhockey.com<br> <br>ghshockeyfan<br>Registered Member<br>Posts: 4395<br>(2/15/06 8:04 pm)<br>Reply | Edit Re: Edina 3 Eden Prairie 2<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br> EP 3, Edina 2 - I was there! <br> <br>boblee<br>Registered Member<br>Posts: 1584<br>(2/15/06 8:23 pm)<br>Reply Re: Edina 3 Eden Prairie 2<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br> Who won? I have seen both teams won 3-2 in this thread... <br> <br>Rocketwrister<br>Registered Member<br>Posts: 375<br>(2/15/06 8:23 pm)<br>Reply Re: Edina 3 Eden Prairie 2<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br> ok....I was going to say WOW did EP choke again or not? <br>www.rebelhockey.com<br> <br>hockeyfinatic<br>Registered Member<br>Posts: 105<br>(2/15/06 8:26 pm)<br>Reply Re: Edina 3 Eden Prairie 2<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br> The Star Tribune (sportshuddle) website says:<br>Edina 3 EP 2 - if they are wrong again I think we have a problem. <br>Sorry if I got some people excited but I did get this from their website. <br> <br>ghshockeyfan<br>Registered Member<br>Posts: 4396<br>(2/15/06 8:47 pm)<br>Reply | Edit Re: Edina 3 Eden Prairie 2<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br> EP was up 3-1 going into 3rd. Edina netted a goal in the third, but it ended 3-2 EP wins. <br> <p></p><i></i>

[ghshockeyfan]

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[Nostalgic Nerd]

Interesting. So what is the current process on scores being sent to the appropriate channels? And what kind of dollars would it take to create a house for those scores? <p>"Dream as if you'll live forever; Live as if you'll die today." --James Dean</p><i></i>

[ghshockeyfan]

pointstreak (<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.pointstreak.com)">www.pointstreak.com)</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> would be ideal - but it will never happen...<br><br>There are other options out there though too that are affordable (if not free...) and would serve the proper purpose... <p></p><i></i>

[hockeydad]

"Back in the day" we had Sport Score Central. One phone call and they'd get the information to all the papers in the state. This was true for high school and small college. I miss the good old days. <p></p><i></i>

[ghshockeyfan]

AP was the way to go when I got my first head coaching job (1999)... Then it disapeared.... <p></p><i></i>

[ItsNEBG]

I reported the stats for Edina. The coach gave me a list of e-dresses including the papers, AP and some of the TV stations. Often as not SportsHuddle would have the results posted before I was finished entering my e-mails, but I sent them anyhow. The Strib newspaper reports were not mine because I would correct name spellings (I used the program sheets from the rinks). Also we have 2 "Anderson" girls and I'd always add the first name initial. The Strib didn't do that either.<br><br>Some rinks fax the sheets in "somewhere" - I watched it happen at one rink but got distracted ("Dad, take my hockey bag home!") and didn't get a chance to ask where they were going.<br><br>I think a single point of contact is the best way, but of course the various media outlets are competitors and wouldn't go for that. As if the world turns on high school hockey scores.... <p></p><i></i>

[sghfan]

Faxing of score sheets would almost guarantee inaccuracy. Few people have handwriting that comes through that process and is still readable.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[ghshockeyfan]

Great points all around!<br><br>AP may be the way to go, but sure would be nice as a coach/stats person to only have to enter stuff one place and know that all others would get done by people paid to do this (it's their job @ the Media) once the correct data is posted to a central clearinghouse for dissemination/use to/by all other entities that desire such information...<br><br>The solution does need to be an impartial entity accessible by all Media.<br><br>It needs to provide full boxscores including scoring summary, shot totals, player rosters, etc.<br><br>It needs to be something that is easily accessible by all teams and takes minimal amount of time to enter data after a game.<br><br>It could allow for a short "summary" blurb about highlights/game stars.<br><br>It needs to be free.<br><br>Is this possible?<br><br>Yes... <p></p><i></i>

[xk1]

How does sports huddle work? Don't you just enter the info on a web page and update? If so, and the Edina person entered it correctly doesn't that say the EP person just entered it wrong? I really don't know how it works, just speculating here. <p></p><i></i>

[ghshockeyfan]

My guess is that Parade faxed the hard to read scoresheet in and that then it was entered incorrectly... <p></p><i></i>

[ItsNEBG]

I contacted Sports Huddle early this season and found out our coach was the one who had the access. Somehow the other team must have gotten the info in quicker nearly every time. That also shows on the "huddle" when the game details show the individual stats for only 1 team! Eventually I think both teams get posted there but it's inconsistent.<br><br>You're also totally correct about the handwriting on the scoresheets. Plus some scorers write down names of players, some write down numbers. The carbonless copy is often hard to read if not totally illegible. The shots on goal are the worst - I've seen several different scoresheet formats and none are that great. And if it's the carbonless copy that is faxed, there's no telling how illegible that becomes - depends on how hard the scorer pressed with his pen!<br><br>The best stats I've ever seen came from the "pros" at the Schwan's Cup games at Ridder last year. I don't recall if the same formatting was used at Blaine this year. They have lap tops and the print out is what is handed to the team. But it takes a lot of volunteers or a lot of bucks to do that. And of course not everyone has a lap top...not me, though my kid has one...away at college. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :b --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":b"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

[NovasMom]

Why can't there be a standardized scoresheet format for all the teams in the MSHSL? (Geez--there's letter, sized, legal sized, verticle, horizontal--ones that keep track of shots and goals, ones that keep track of goals and saves...does that S stand for a "shot"? or a "save"?....whew!). And, after the game, why can't the scorer fill in a scoresheet online that's in exactly the same format as the hand-written one? (I doubt there's a high school arena in the state that doesn't have access to the internet). The technology is there, what's the big deal? I suppose the big stumbling block is finding someone who cares about getting it right...<br><br>It wouldn't even be that hard to enable a "gameday" online stat reporting like the Gophers (et al) have.<br><br>Of course, that doesn't preclude the assist-hungry winger from running after the Ref to (erroneously) claim a save. (That's what most of the Refs do, ya know--go up to the girls after a goal and say, "Okay, who got the goal? Who passed it to her? 3 from 10 and 14? Got it".<br><br>Of course, then, some people are just a little lysdexic... <p></p><i></i>

[sghfan]

NovasMom, right on all counts. <p></p><i></i>

[ghshockeyfan]

Agreed...<br><br>RinkWriter is another option, but w/o all the stats kept - just scoresheets. This is what the U uses I believe... And what we used to see at the Schwan's tourney when @ the U back in the day...<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.rinkwriter.com">www.rinkwriter.com</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[NovasMom]

Blake uses a computerized scoresheet for their homegames but it is woefully inadequate (maybe software written by a student in "programming 1"?)<br><br>Here are two examples (I scanned the scoresheet and added my own header and score tally on the right right--the left side is the Blake Scoresheet--cropped in the middle to save space; one for the jv game and one for varsity)<br><br>Varsity: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.minneapolisnovas.org/user/V2 ... <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>JV: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.minneapolisnovas.org/user/JV ... <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... ovasMom</A> at: 2/17/06 9:20 pm<br></i>

[ghshockeyfan]

Ah, the days of the Tri-metro Conf. @ Blake are coming back to me now with these examples...<br><br>I always gave them credit for the effort, but the end product was a little cryptic to say the least.<br><br>rinkwriter is a decent option. for stats too I think it's pointstreak as best. If we get neither "real time" options, I could settle for the MGHSH site that I put up... At least it has a complete and understandable boxscore... <p></p><i></i>

[NovasMom]

I should add that this scoresheet was extremely hard to read; the pencilled in PP and SH were my own because it didn't indicate them; and I just noticed that the date was wrong--it says 2005 when it was actually 2006.<br><br>But at least they're trying.... <p></p><i></i>

[NovasMom]

You should know this--it wouldn't be that hard to write a program...shareware. <br><br>Blake's actually used this (or a form of this) program for awhile? WOW! <p></p><i></i>

[NovasMom]

Since I've scanned all the scoresheets for this season--JV and varsity and put them online...To view examples of, oh, at least 15 different scoresheet formats, go here and click on "scoresheet".<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.minneapolisnovas.org/Gamesan ... <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[hockeydad]

The papers ask you to either call in or fax scoresheets. <br><br>I used to call in the scores for my son's team. I never faxed in a scoresheet. Too many things can be misinterpreted. <br><br>Calling them in is the only way to guarantee that they have them right. Also, it is better for spelling last names. <p></p><i></i>

[ghshockeyfan]

Unless... it can be done electronically... <p></p><i></i>

[NovasMom]

Exactly. Agreed. So...let's do it! <p></p><i></i>

[ghshockeyfan]

Gotta love consistency in those scoresheets... I hadn't realized that you had posted them all! That's great - and illustrates the potential need for standardization (not that big of a deal, but why not...) <p></p><i></i>