Come On!

[hockeyfinatic]

Not sure if everybody so this score or not -<br>New Ulm 22 Luverne 1<br>That is not good sportsmanship. I am not trying to take anything away from New Ulm, but enough is enough. In my mind this is right up there with Moorhead Boys 27-0 over Monticello. Moorhead has one excuse - it was a playoff game. But New Ulm - why? <p></p><i></i>

[Ozzie89]

wow. must of luverne's teams aren't good but thats sad even for luverne <p></p><i></i>

[ghshockeyfan]

The only way this is justifiable, is if the opposing coach asked for it - meaning literally requested to just keep going full tilt. I have rarely seen this.<br><br>I think that we've upped the threshold of what's an appropriate run-away score. Truth is you don't need more than a 6 goal differnetial, 7 maybe, 9-10??? why? 13-15+, that's not right. I'd be embarrased winning a game like that.<br><br>I think that if you've ever been on the receiving end of this, you understand better when you're in the drivers seat the next time around.<br><br>I will say however, that it's also degrading to "stop" playing, and you can insert all the multi-pass rules you want, etc. but without knowing the whole story who knows what actually happened??? <p></p><i></i>

[husky5]

GHS,<br><br>Unless Luverne walloped someone earlier ( I doubt it) it is wrong. Never stop playing either. 3 or 4 passes for a shot. If you are that much better than your oppenent you can do it. It only takes 5 minutes before a game to explain what you want to see on the ice. 3 assists before you score a hattrick. 2 assist on every goal. Get the offensive zone hit the D have them back out to their own blue line, D to D pass while the forwards regroup in the nuetral zone hit the center then the wing and go in and shoot, 1 rebound shot and do it again shifting on the fly. If they get 100 goals, God bless them. If not then you have just worked on team play that will carry over throughout the season. Isn't that what you coaches want and need? What an opportunity to work on your team game and plays against an opponent that doesn't know where every puck is going, like it is in your practice. Make your team better!!!<br><br><br>Sorry for carrying on.... <p></p><i></i>

[ghshockeyfan]

Agreed. Like I said, all the multi-pass, etc. regroup rules you want, but still challenging game management wise sometimes... <p></p><i></i>

[gotHOCKEYxx]

It honestly just shows that New Ulm has no class, and hopefully one day, they'll get buried badly by an opposing team. <p></p><i></i>

[hockeyfinatic]

New Prague 7 New Ulm 1 <p></p><i></i>

[defensedad]

I think your goal differential is pretty acurate. 15+ why?<br>What about EP over Kennedy on the 18th? 15-0. An interesting fact you all might be curios to know. 10-0 with 11 minutes to go in the 3rd period. You could clearly tell the coach had told all the players to pass the puck before shooting, except for one girl. At that point their star had only 2 assits and no goals. When she got the puck the next seven times, she either rushed it all the way up and shot, or shot it herself as soon as she got the puck. There were several chances for her to pass, but she did not. Eventually ending up with 4 assits.The Kennedy goalie (2nd year goalie) stopped her every time. On her last rush up with a shot deep in the slot, she was stopped again and skated to the corner and slapped her stick on the ice and shook her head in disgust. Is it right for a coach to let one player shoot, and not the rest? Is this stat building? I am sure she will score a few in the next game against Kennedy. 44 Saves for the Kennedy goalie, what a great job for a newer goalie. <p></p><i></i>

[hockeyhead]

defensedad,<br><br>Sounds like you are upset by a certain score? Here are the 5 Kennedy scores I found. <br><br>Apple Valley L 1-13 <br>Lakeville South L 3-13 <br>Shakopee L 3-11 <br>Eden Prairie L 0-15 <br>Burnsville L 2-11 <br><br>I haven't seen EP or any of these other teams play this year, but from what I know about the players on each team, the score in Kennedy vs. EP probably could have been much worse. From the scorecard it looks like the Kennedy goalie played okay, but most of Kennedy's games have been one sided this year! Being outscored 7-63 hurts, and they haven't really played some of the better teams in the Lake Conference. Good luck to Kennedy! I know it's hard to play when you continue to get beat up. <br><br><br>Hockeyhead<br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[mnhockeygal]

If a star player is on the ice with 11 minutes to play in a 15 goal game, let alone the actions described above, then that coach deserves to be ripped heavily. Say what you want with Palmquist, that doesnt happen at SSP. Not shocking it happened with Morris. No room for that crap in athletics. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... ckeygal</A> at: 11/27/05 2:14 pm<br></i>

[hockeyhead]

mnhockeygal,<br><br>Get your facts right! SSP's Plamquist beat Woodbury 3 or 4 years ago 17-0 in the first round of sections. Yes, he played his top line the entire game! Ask anyone from Woodbury! <br><br>The Lake Conference is crazy! 11 teams with the Lakeville split. They have double round robin... Which means you have to play every team twice... Do you penalize a player for being good? As a player I hated games that were blow-outs... It would mean you'd either not get to play, or you'd change the way you play. <br><br>Was anyone at this game? Did they make rules... like pass the puck twice before you can shoot. Maybe moving your top forwards to defense and defenders to forwards. Either way it's embarassing to either team. I don't know what kind of a coach Morris is but this is one of the hardest things to coach. On both sides you have to figure out how to play. EP's top player had no goals and 4 assists... To me that is unrealistic and the coach must have somehow designed it that way. <br><br>Rosemount plays a single round robin in the Lake Conference since they are rebuilding, and their athletic department and coach have the right perspective on the matters. <br><br>Again, I think the score could have been worse. 15-0, although not fun, close, or easy to swallow, in my mind could have been 30-0... I think Eagan and others will run it up to! <br><br>Hockeyhead <p></p><i></i>

[ghshockeyfan]

I don't believe that the Lake is 2x anymore??? 1.5x instead??? 2x was just a 2-year or so transition/experiement of sorts that didn't work out as the conference grew to 11 teams...<br><br>The Lake is rebuilding with many teams. I would say as many as half the teams could fall into this catagory this year. This isn't the lake of 02-03 or 03-04. Those were two of the glory years in that conference. There are still some great teams, but the conference just isn't as solid top-to-bottom as it was then. But, this is to be expected as everything goes in cycles I believe and this is true of every conference over different periods of time.<br><br>I can say that I know that some LC teams wanted out of games with weaker LC teams. This would seem win-win as the better teams and weaker teams could give up games in common and scheudle more like-ability opponents. I'm not certain as to why these changes weren't fully implemented - maybe for next year and beyond more of the "powerized" scheudle in addition to the 1.5x that exists currently - or maybe even some other permutation/realignment - will address this better.<br><br>I respect the fact that coaches will have different perspectives on everything - incuding how to handle blowouts, etc. Some coaches dont believe in letting up - they are afraid of the impact of telling players to turn it off and on. I can understand this fear, but I think players will always come to play the big games at full speed, and all coaches should try to adjust their schedules so that they aren't in a blowout situation that often. Conference obligations are understandable, but otherwise... get a tougher schedule if your team is going to be that good (or bad) as most coaches know this well in advance of the upcoming season if they have a finger on the pulse of their program.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[hockeyfinatic]

I just looked at the MSHSL website. The score has been changed to New Ulm 24 Luverne 1 <p></p><i></i>

[ghshockeyfan]

I believe that 22-1 was the "official" score??? No matter what, these scores aren't good for the game.<br><br>Anyone know what the worst differential was ever??? This may be close (22-1) to the worst for G HS, the 27-0 was bad for boys I guess (can't remember the teams???)... there may have been worse years ago too in boys as I don't think there was much mercy back then... <p></p><i></i>

[Rocketwrister]

A few posts back a comment was made about how this score didn't surprise someone because of coach Morris. Is coach Morris this way? Besides a "hi" or "bye" I really don't know him at all.....I know his team is picked to win the state AA tourney this year; guess I am curious if anyone has had any run ins with him.<br><br>RW <p>www.rebelhockey.com</p><i></i>

[stickontheice]

An earlier post hinted at what is a major question in the whole discussion of blowouts -- that is playing time. What on earth is ANY star player on ANY team doing on the ice in the third period of ANY lopsided game?<br><br>Any coach that, going into a game against a clearly outmatched opponent, doesn't dress and SKATE a full complement of 18 skaters should be severely disciplined.<br><br>There is one state 'power' (new to AA) that is notorious for this. Dressing only 13-14 skaters in all games; and NEVER a third set of defensemen. The big guns are always there on the ice, no matter the score or the time.<br><br>Games that are obviously 'in the bag' (6-goal spread) should be turned over to the 3rd and 4th lines and 3rd 'D' pair, as much as possible. It is inexcusable for coaches to use these games to let their star players pad their statistics.<br><br>But that, sadly, is what sometimes happens. Another black mark on the game. <p></p><i></i>

[JJhockeySS]

I would say this is one of the most difficult things you face as a coach. No matter what you do this is not a good situation for either team. First off, I would hate to see this thread turn into coach bashing<br><br>RW Morris is a good coach and runs a quality program. I know when we played them a couple years back and we were extremely undermanned do to a couple different circumstances his top JV lines saw plenty of ice in the 3rd period when we were down by 5 goals. <br><br>Sometimes no matter what you do the score may get out of control. The other hard part is some of the top teams don't have 3rd and 4th lines, and if they do they have to use all their playing periods in the JV game. I have also seen games where refs have stopped making calls, and let the game go just to get it over with, the game is physically out of control, and that makes it hard for a coach to put a 90 pound 4th line freshman on the ice to take the physical abuse.<br><br>Hockeyhead makes some good points, and I know the top players hate these games. No matter what philosophy these games are usually very frustrating for players on both benches. The best you can do is have some open honest communication between the coaches and try to find what is the best for both teams.<br><br>Stickontheice, I would ask before you start bashing programs, and calling for coach discipline you make an effort to find out what the coaches reasons may be. There is often a lot more going on behind the scenes then what can be seen by the average observer. No matter what a blow out game, regardless the goal differential, isn't something any coach wants. I would gladly be a below .500 team but have every game a 1-2 goal game than have a blow-out. The close games usually make you a stronger team in the long run.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[ItsNEBG]

GHS said: "The Lake is rebuilding with many teams."<br><br>Classic Lake is down to 5 teams. Does anybody know why they cannot merge with Lake and split into a North & South division? I think it was this way years ago.<br><br>Put the 2 Bloomingtons & EP with Edina, Wayzata, Hopkins, Minnetonka & Armstrong for a "north" and Lakeville N & S, Eagan, Chaska, Burnsville, Eastview, Rosemount, and Apple Valley make up the south.<br><br>Two 8 team conferences instead of an 11 and a 5. Makes sense to me but there must be some reason it hasn't happened.... <p></p><i></i>

[Icallthemasiseethem]

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[Icallthemasiseethem]

<br> A few years back we had a similar thread. When do you pull off your best skaters? This is so difficult because your star players are the ones that play in the tougher games.<br> ghs is really good at comparing schedules and where the top players earn their points when it comes down to many awards for individuals and I have to believe so are college coaches. With that said if a top player is playing after 10-0 NOBODY is building their program or a player. <p></p><i></i>

[ghshockeyfan]

All good points, and the best coaches often take the most abuse too internal to their program (people don't realize how good they have it sometimes...) and externally for many reasons.<br><br>I won't defend running up a score, but I know that there are challenges in keeping things respectible due to certain circumstances. Intent is a good thing to keep in mind, but circumstances may make the percieved intent the opposite of what it truly is... Meaning, it may appear that a coach is running up the score, but isn't really trying to - product of situaitonal issues. I do believe that if it gets really bad that a coach can simply instruct certian things be done as alluded to above.<br><br>This all aside, I like the concept of two conf. combining. this was proposed a while back, and I like it. Would like to see 2x scheudle vs. conf. (14 games). Maybe .5x vs other "conf." so that you see the other teams at least once every other year. Also, waht many don't know, is that a team can get a 26th game if you have a "conf." championship game where you have the top "North" play the top "South" team... I believe this is still in the books this way... Would be a nice way to get a 26th game each year. And, I'm not sure if you can extend this all the way down the list so that each team could get a 26th game in both N/S as the 2nd N could play 2nd S, etc. - like they do for Mpls/St. Paul FB I believe in the "city" games...<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Zamman]

After reading some of the posts I wonder what really happened. Whether the opposing coach said to keep pounding them, there is sportsmanship to look at. I am a huge AHA(boys) fan and have seen them destroy teams in their conference, but I also see that by the time the third period starts, the top line is done. At Richfield there are two benches, and the first line goes to the back bench. You can control the score. Last year AHA(boys) played Mpls Washburn in the section quarters. The third period the top line and "D" were on the bench. In fact AHA did not even get a shot the entire period. So you can let up and not fully embarrass another team. <p>________________________________<br>Academy of Holy Angels<br>2005 GIRLS STATE CHAMPS!<br>2002 & 2005 BOYS STATE CHAMPS!!<br>GO STARS!!</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... >Zamman</A> at: 12/1/05 3:47 pm<br></i>

[PeterPuck123]

Well we really don't know the circumstances behind this, I've personally been part of a team that after gaining a 7-0 goal lead, and knowing the competition, decided to have the 5 pass before you shoot rule. We went on to win the game 9-0, but after the game the opposing coach was irate at our coaching staff for conducting a practice at there expense. Well needless to say, 2 weeks later we played the same team and beat them 22-0, the coach got his wish, unfortunately for the kids on the other team who were totally demoralized. So until we know the circumstances behind the score, lets not dump on the other teams too much. <p></p><i></i>

[Zamman]

A coach like this is terrible. So the whole team gets demoralized while the coach gets excited because a team totaly destroyed his team. He should be let go.... The kids are what are important, not the coach. My opinion. <p>________________________________<br>Academy of Holy Angels<br>2005 GIRLS STATE CHAMPS!<br>2002 & 2005 BOYS STATE CHAMPS!!<br>GO STARS!!</p><i></i>

[xk1]

Just moving this thread up so you can compare what is being said now to what was said after the first EP-Kennedy game. <p></p><i></i>