2023-24 Fluid Offseason Rankings

[WestMetro]

On the positive side , he will be at the 15s Natty Camp .

[bardown27]

I guess he tried to go to SSM this fall - but they said no thank you.

that is correct

[SpreadOut!]

I guess he tried to go to SSM this fall - but they said no thank you.

that is correct

We’re getting to the point that offseason rankings for the next season are fruitless because we have no idea who is playing where until the school year starts and we figure out who transferred where. Gross.

[goldy313]

I think with the co-op of Century and John Marshall that they become a lower top 25 team. If Jayden Veney can be convinced to come back they are the 1AA favorites. Being a defenseman and getting to be coached by Doug Zmolek has to factor into his decision I would hope (as JM fan).

Both John Marshall and Centuty beat Northfield last year. Northfield is talented but loses more than a team with talent should.

Century could do a lot to improve their lot,like actually playing their games in their area at the Rec Center instead of drawing flies across town at the fairgrounds. Being outdrawn at home Conference games is embarrassing.

[ClassAGuy]

I think with the co-op of Century and John Marshall that they become a lower top 25 team. If Jayden Veney can be convinced to come back they are the 1AA favorites. Being a defenseman and getting to be coached by Doug Zmolek has to factor into his decision I would hope (as JM fan).

Both John Marshall and Centuty beat Northfield last year. Northfield is talented but loses more than a team with talent should.

Century could do a lot to improve their lot,like actually playing their games in their area at the Rec Center instead of drawing flies across town at the fairgrounds. Being outdrawn at home Conference games is embarrassing.

goldy anymore information on the rumor that NFLD will be dropping their co-opt with Randolph to be able to drop back to Section 1A for next winter. I had heard it was being discussed and very seriously considered. Not sure if they will but they have until the MSHSL October Board Meeting to still get back into Section 1A if they drop the co-opt.

[goldy313]

No concrete information. From what I understand Northfield would have to find a place for any Randolph player to play. I do not know if there are any current Randolph players at Northfield. If there any South and Hastings would be the programs to pick them up. They would have to agree to pick them up.

1) I do not see any upside for Northfield staying in class A.

2) Northfield will be AA next cycle anyway. They have lost kids to South and Farmington in the past. You are the odds on favorite in 1AA, run with it.

[bardown27]

No concrete information. From what I understand Northfield would have to find a place for any Randolph player to play. I do not know if there are any current Randolph players at Northfield. If there any South and Hastings would be the programs to pick them up. They would have to agree to pick them up.

1) I do not see any upside for Northfield staying in class A.

2) Northfield will be AA next cycle anyway. They have lost kids to South and Farmington in the past. You are the odds on favorite in 1AA, run with it.

Could the Randolph kids play in Farmington? I know back in the early 2010s Farmington and Randolph were co-oped

[goldy313]

Randolph kids could play in Farmington but there are hoops to jump through…..

The MSHSL has to let Northfield dissipate their co-op with Randolph. Staying in lower class doesn’t hold much water (unless you are Lourdes) in my limited experience.

Both the Farmington and Randolph school boards have to approve the co-op. Then the MSHSL has to approve it. The Lake Conference also has to approve it.

In this day and age most of those in charge want to provide opportunities for kids to play. You could have someone who doesn’t want a Farmington taxpayers kid to be cut in favor of a Non taxpayer kid playing.

I do know that under the current rules for counting enrollment there is no penalty for co-ops with a school with no current athletes. For example Faribault co-ops in hockey with the state school for the deaf. If there are no MSAD kids on the hockey team their “enrollment “ doesn’t change.

[Brodziak Fan Club]

Randolph kids could play in Farmington but there are hoops to jump through…..

The MSHSL has to let Northfield dissipate their co-op with Randolph. Staying in lower class doesn’t hold much water (unless you are Lourdes) in my limited experience.

Both the Farmington and Randolph school boards have to approve the co-op. Then the MSHSL has to approve it. The Lake Conference also has to approve it.

In this day and age most of those in charge want to provide opportunities for kids to play. You could have someone who doesn’t want a Farmington taxpayers kid to be cut in favor of a Non taxpayer kid playing.

I do know that under the current rules for counting enrollment there is no penalty for co-ops with a school with no current athletes. For example Faribault co-ops in hockey with the state school for the deaf. If there are no MSAD kids on the hockey team their “enrollment “ doesn’t change.

Why does the lake conference have to approve it?

[arcticpurple]

So, with Bumgarner playing for Rogers now next season, he will be playing for a third high school in three years? How in the heck is this possible? He played for Shakopee as an 8th grader, BSM as a 9th grader, and now will play for Rogers next year as a sophomore? Please explain how this doesn’t violate MSHSL transfer rules?

If you transfer as a freshman, you are automatically eligible (at the school change from middle to HS for most schools) and they now sold their house in shakopee and bought/rented in the rogers district I believe to become eligible. Since he was at a private, the way I understand it is he just had to move OUT of shakopee’s district

Excellent Post bardown! Spot on as 9th grader just needed to be enrolled so he was good to go for BSM last winter. He would need to be buying a house in the Rogers district this year to be eligible to play there. If bardown's info is good, which it always is, then he is within the MSHSL rules and will be good to go this winter!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure, as long as you move out of your home school district, open enrollment applies. In that case, the family could move anywhere and open enroll in Rogers.

[bardown27]

If you transfer as a freshman, you are automatically eligible (at the school change from middle to HS for most schools) and they now sold their house in shakopee and bought/rented in the rogers district I believe to become eligible. Since he was at a private, the way I understand it is he just had to move OUT of shakopee’s district

Excellent Post bardown! Spot on as 9th grader just needed to be enrolled so he was good to go for BSM last winter. He would need to be buying a house in the Rogers district this year to be eligible to play there. If bardown's info is good, which it always is, then he is within the MSHSL rules and will be good to go this winter!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure, as long as you move out of your home school district, open enrollment applies. In that case, the family could move anywhere and open enroll in Rogers.

yeah, I believe that is correct. that's why I said they just needed to move out of Shakopee's district. According to their famous twitter account, they are now in Albertville

[High Heat]

This is how it works for residency.

Public School = Must move with in schools boundaries

Private School = Must move out of previous homes school district to any new district

[Doc Holliday]

So…if Rogers shockingly doesn’t work out for the kid in 23-24, does this mean that he’d have the option to go to STMA. since he’s already in the district, along with a private (HM or STA) since he moved to a different district since he was as BSM?

[High Heat]

So…if Rogers shockingly doesn’t work out for the kid in 23-24, does this mean that he’d have the option to go to STMA. since he’s already in the district, along with a private (HM or STA) since he moved to a different district since he was as BSM?

No. He can not be living in Albertville and attend Rogers. You have to live in the boundaries of the public school you attend.

[bardown27]

So…if Rogers shockingly doesn’t work out for the kid in 23-24, does this mean that he’d have the option to go to STMA. since he’s already in the district, along with a private (HM or STA) since he moved to a different district since he was as BSM?

No. He can not be living in Albertville and attend Rogers. You have to live in the boundaries of the public school you attend.

that's not entirely true. There are parts of Albertville that are in the Rogers school district boundary.

[ClassAGuy]

So…if Rogers shockingly doesn’t work out for the kid in 23-24, does this mean that he’d have the option to go to STMA. since he’s already in the district, along with a private (HM or STA) since he moved to a different district since he was as BSM?

No. He can not be living in Albertville and attend Rogers. You have to live in the boundaries of the public school you attend.

I am thinking I have hear that the school boundary lines are messy with Rogers and STMA... I swear I have heard of kids who live in Albertville but are in the Rogers school district before. I may be way wrong but I thought that was mentioned before somewhere...

[headsupsticksdown]

So…if Rogers shockingly doesn’t work out for the kid in 23-24, does this mean that he’d have the option to go to STMA. since he’s already in the district, along with a private (HM or STA) since he moved to a different district since he was as BSM?

No. He can not be living in Albertville and attend Rogers. You have to live in the boundaries of the public school you attend.

I am thinking I have hear that the school boundary lines are messy with Rogers and STMA... I swear I have heard of kids who live in Albertville but are in the Rogers school district before. I may be way wrong but I thought that was mentioned before somewhere...

He's basically a one season rental if that, right? Look, I don't know the kid, but with all the talk the small little "town" on Lake Minnetonka is getting after what was published this past week if you're a high end player, you can pretty much do whatever you want as there's always going to be someone with open arms out showing you the loopholes in the system hoping to bump up their chances for a State run. Meanwhile, a group of fuming parents sit at the local safety meeting wondering why Johnny, who's been a die hard since mini mite's in the local association, has been deprived of his opportunity to shine. And people wonder why there are so many problems, politics and ego's in youth and high school hockey...

Is there a coach out there that would flat out turn this kid away? If so, drop their name so I can send him or her a nice gift basket.

[goldy313]

Brodzinak…..because Farmington as a single program will now become a co-op. In theory it could become a competitive advantage. Those days have past……. 10 or so years ago when Rochester Century was struggling with numbers and couldn’t field a JV team for 3 periods the Big Nine would not let them stay in the Big Nine and Co-op with JM or Mayo. Century played “exhibition” games at the under varsity level.

As I said before, most AD’s will get the Randolph situation and not oppose it. Times have changed.

[ozz]

So…if Rogers shockingly doesn’t work out for the kid in 23-24, does this mean that he’d have the option to go to STMA. since he’s already in the district, along with a private (HM or STA) since he moved to a different district since he was as BSM?

No. He can not be living in Albertville and attend Rogers. You have to live in the boundaries of the public school you attend.

I am thinking I have hear that the school boundary lines are messy with Rogers and STMA... I swear I have heard of kids who live in Albertville but are in the Rogers school district before. I may be way wrong but I thought that was mentioned before somewhere...

Yes, bardown is right, part of Albertville is in the ER/Rogers school district.

[Zamman]

No. He can not be living in Albertville and attend Rogers. You have to live in the boundaries of the public school you attend.

I am thinking I have hear that the school boundary lines are messy with Rogers and STMA... I swear I have heard of kids who live in Albertville but are in the Rogers school district before. I may be way wrong but I thought that was mentioned before somewhere...

Yes, bardown is right, part of Albertville is in the ER/Rogers school district.

Same goes for Edina, parts of Edina are Hopkins and some are Richfield School Districts. I live in Edina and my son went to Richfield and my taxes are Richfield school district. But a private school player can move next door and it is an official move. There are no lines.....

[ClassAGuy]

Randolph kids could play in Farmington but there are hoops to jump through…..

The MSHSL has to let Northfield dissipate their co-op with Randolph. Staying in lower class doesn’t hold much water (unless you are Lourdes) in my limited experience.

Both the Farmington and Randolph school boards have to approve the co-op. Then the MSHSL has to approve it. The Lake Conference also has to approve it.

In this day and age most of those in charge want to provide opportunities for kids to play. You could have someone who doesn’t want a Farmington taxpayers kid to be cut in favor of a Non taxpayer kid playing.

I do know that under the current rules for counting enrollment there is no penalty for co-ops with a school with no current athletes. For example Faribault co-ops in hockey with the state school for the deaf. If there are no MSAD kids on the hockey team their “enrollment “ doesn’t change.

Update- Northfield has now dropped Randolph co-opt and they are back in Section 1A according to MSHSL website.

[goldy313]

A terrible example to set for the kids if there were a Randolph kid or kids involved. If not then that is Northfield’s right and okay.

On the other hand why is Nortfield afraid of South and Century/JM? You are not Hermantown or Warroad.