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This made me wonder, did Minnesota recruit and offer a scholarship to Mobley? I know she ended up at No. 3 Quinnipiac where she is currently their top scorer.Well Driller wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:02 am Comparing Lindsay to Mobley is apples to oranges. As noted, Mobley had 73 points during the regular season. She also had another 23 points in sections and state according to the MN Hub. She could have easily had another 30 points if Breck had kept shooting in 3rd periods, but their coach constantly pulled the reigns in during blowout games. Mobley was head and shoulders above everyone her senior year. Class A or AA. Lindsay isn't.
She was Class of 2020, which means she probably lost her spot to Addie Burton, Tella Jungels or Audrey Wethington.MNHockeyFan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 11:12 pmThis made me wonder, did Minnesota recruit and offer a scholarship to Mobley? I know she ended up at No. 3 Quinnipiac where she is currently their top scorer.Well Driller wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:02 am Comparing Lindsay to Mobley is apples to oranges. As noted, Mobley had 73 points during the regular season. She also had another 23 points in sections and state according to the MN Hub. She could have easily had another 30 points if Breck had kept shooting in 3rd periods, but their coach constantly pulled the reigns in during blowout games. Mobley was head and shoulders above everyone her senior year. Class A or AA. Lindsay isn't.
Per PageStat thru 12/10 their SOS is 7th for Gross and and 3rd for Net.
Hmm.
My comments were for their entire season. They have played a solid schedule so far. If you’re talking about a kid’s point production, gross is what matters.
I get it. But when I say “here are some early thoughts on Ms Hockey” (last year), and follow it up pointing out a contra narrative to an expensive PR campaign, the response is “let’s just give it to a particular kid.” Then I say “here’s why that kid might not be deserving,” I get back a version of “you’re being mean.” I’m not trying to be mean.
True (but not if you include all teams). She’s at 1.5ppg against 4 top 10ish teams (blanked in 2 of the 4) - better production for her than last year, and a testament to my starting point, which is she’s a very good player!
Just to be clear I'm not arguing on behalf of her becoming Ms. Hockey (she may not be deserving in the end), but I did I think there were a few statements worth addressing.j4241 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 3:22 pmMy comments were for their entire season. They have played a solid schedule so far. If you’re talking about a kid’s point production, gross is what matters.
I get it. But when I say “here are some early thoughts on Ms Hockey” (last year), and follow it up pointing out a contra narrative to an expensive PR campaign, the response is “let’s just give it to a particular kid.” Then I say “here’s why that kid might not be deserving,” I get back a version of “you’re being mean.” I’m not trying to be mean.
True (but not if you include all teams). She’s at 1.5ppg against 4 top 10ish teams (blanked in 2 of the 4) - better production for her than last year, and a testament to my starting point, which is she’s a very good player!
Over the years I've enjoyed seeing nearly all of these kids play (my daughter is a '23 that has been on the fringe of the top group of players but skated with nearly all of them this summer). That includes Sadura and Lindsay who are both also fantastic. All of them have benefitted from playing spring, summer, winter and fall with great linemates - and while that's the nature of hockey today I also think it skews our view towards them. The top Gentry trio (plus the Gazdiks on the back end), The Blake trio (plus Wethington), The entire Andover roster, The entire Tonka roster, The Northern MN Super Team (Warroad)....it's pretty hard to NOT put up points when you have that kind of talent around every time you touch the ice.j4241 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 4:37 pm Some other great starts so far:
Boerger has 10 points in 5 games (don't believe she played against Armstrong) - all against top 10ish teams - 2ppg
Sajevic has 10 points in 6 games against top 10ish - 1.83
Broz and Higuchi are 2 and 3 in metro AA scoring - both have 2.3 ppg (only behind Puppe who's played a much easier schedule, and against a harder schedule than Tonkas)
Goettl has 1 and 8 in 5 against top 10ish (1.8ppg)
Retrum has 4 and 2 in 2 games against top 10+ish teams
Bartz has 3 and 3 in 2 games against top 10ish - 3ppg
Not to mention the D:
Hause at 1.67 ppg
Je Gazdik 2.14
Ju Gazdik 1.86
I couldn't care less if Boerger wins. I have zero vested interest in her. My goal in the work I did (and subsequent posts) was to try to bring some attention to the gap between people's impressions of players and how good they actually are (particularly at creating offense, because it offers some easy ways to measure). My work last year left me with a clear impression she was one at the top of the heap, but also still somewhat a victim of that gap (in spite of her team success), the combination of which is why I've said I thought she was my a favorite.girlshockey4ever wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:18 am Well that comment and the countless others. "Boerger has been the best player on the best team for a few years."
Just putting the pieces the together.
And my comment about the SSC was rather tongue and cheek. However AHA, Simley, Crookston, Marshall, EGF, Mound WestTonka and Bemidji don't strike fear in the hearts of anyone.
I would argue the winner should be Hause. She's third in scoring on YHH's current #1 ranked team, despite having missed five games. She is one of three seniors on that #1 ranked team. Her team plays a difficult schedule, which mitigates stat padding. She played her way onto the U18 team, which should count for something. She isn't the beneficiary of a PR campaign, and she's played in the MSHSL for five years, which is an argument against a couple other worthy candidates this year. I'm not sure it's valid, but it is an argument.
No, not surprising at all, and after this season, there will be no competitive reason for HM to play Gentry outside of Sections. Gentry will lose its top 9 scorers and both goalies.bodyup88 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 12:15 pm JG, you make a great case for Ella Hause. Hill is having a phenomenal season with the only blemishes a 3-1 loss to Edina on Dec 1 and a 2-1 OT loss to Minnetonka at Pagel in mid December. Like some other Ms. Hockey candidates, she missed four games while playing for the USA U18 team in Sweden. In her first game back last week she helped the Pioneers shut out Holy Family on the road. She is averaging over 2.1 points per game in what you described as a challenging schedule with games vs. Stillwater, the two aforementioned Lake conference foes, HF, Andover and Warroad. Coming up in early February is a game at Maple Grove vs. the presumptive Section 5AA #1 seeded Crimson. That should be a very competitive game in which MG also has a very strong Ms. Hockey candidate in Stella Retrum. Surprisingly, (or maybe not) Hill Murray is not playing Section 4AA foe Gentry.
I think some people are shying away given the constant negativity and attempts to single out girls playing a sport to criticize and attack.