Section 6A: 2016-17

[Mowanchuk]

1. Cathedral
2. Sartell
3. Alex
4. Little Falls
5. Fergus Falls
6. River Lakes
7. Wadena
8. Breck/Whap
9. Priarie Centre

[RRubberbeeskit]

Rubber... I wasn't trying to be harsh, I didn't even know mnscores existed until you just mentioned it. How much faith do people put into those rankings?
I wish followthepuck had more time to keep his site up to date especially with the section standings! How would you seed this section as of today?

Shortshift: I like to use Minnesota scores.net and their QRF ranking. I think it gets more accurate as the season goes on. I believe they utilize quality opponents and class level A vs AA in the QRF ranking system. The highest ranked teams have the higher QRF value. It has proven to be fairly accurate for all the years I've followed it.
Now for ranking in Sec 6A I believe Mowanchuk has nailed it.

[CornerBar]

Rubber... I wasn't trying to be harsh, I didn't even know mnscores existed until you just mentioned it. How much faith do people put into those rankings?
I wish followthepuck had more time to keep his site up to date especially with the section standings! How would you seed this section as of today?

Here is how I would put it as of NOW:

1. St. Cloud Cathedral: Top end talent carries them. Their depth is questionable, and their D are young, however are improving. Solid goaltending. This team will go as far as VanHalbeck and Spethman can take them.
2. Sartell: After their 7-2 lashing by Cathedral it shows how big of a gap there is between 1 and 2. It was close until the 3rd but that 3rd shows how poor the Sartell D are outside of Meier.
3.Fergus Falls: They've beat everyone below them and have lost to everyone above them. To this point I'd consider them an overachiever. Certainly don't agree with whoever it was that said they have received outstanding play in net. The numbers may look good, but the competition certainly is not.
4. Alexandria: Have lost to both Sartell and Fergus Falls, but did tie Cathedral. They could still leap up to the 1 but it will take a few very good performances by the Cards.
5. Little Falls: Their two wins over Fergus and close one over River Lakes keeps them at 5. Could really mess things up as they play Cathedral, Sartell, and Alexandria yet. Could climb up to 1 or 2 if they win all of them, however it is very unlikely.
6. River Lakes: Have been keeping things close as of late, but still probably won't rise any higher than 6.

How I think things will FINISH:

1. Catherdral: They are the best team in this section. They've beaten everyone they should (except their tie with Alex). But I still don't see a way Alex could pass them.
2. Alexandria: I'm pretty confident they'll pick up wins over Sartell and Fergus. Fergus always pulls a win they shouldn't have on home ice, and I think that's what happened earlier in the year. Could get the 1 if they beat EGF in their final game of the season as they would have a win over EGF and Cathedral would have a tie. However that game may be after seedings have been determined.
3. Sartell: I feel like this is a team that gets much more credit than they deserve. They play a relatively weak schedule and when they do get good teams they get beat and beat bad. Trending down ever since getting throttled by Bemidji 7-0 on home ice.
4. Fergus Falls: Inconsistent at best. Beat teams they shouldn't, and then they'll lose to a team they shouldn't.
5. Little Falls: Could argue for the 4 since they beat Fergus, but they don't have a quality win.
6. River Lakes: They know how to keep things close, but they haven't beaten anyone they shouldn't.

[Mite-dad]

Not sure how FF could leap LF having lost to them twice.

[Shortshift]

Thanks Rubber! I thought you had them confused with St. Paul Academy. I was unaware of that site.

[CornerBar]

Not sure how FF could leap LF having lost to them twice.

I didn't see that Fergus had lost to them TWICE. I thought their Alex win would carry them over ONE loss to LF. But being as they lost twice to them, then yes I would say they're at the 5 then.

[Mite-dad]

Not sure how FF could leap LF having lost to them twice.

I didn't see that Fergus had lost to them TWICE. I thought their Alex win would carry them over ONE loss to LF. But being as they lost twice to them, then yes I would say they're at the 5 then.

Not that it really matters, they are probably destined to face each other anyways.

[hockey9011]

Not sure how FF could leap LF having lost to them twice.

I didn't see that Fergus had lost to them TWICE. I thought their Alex win would carry them over ONE loss to LF. But being as they lost twice to them, then yes I would say they're at the 5 then.

Not that it really matters, they are probably destined to face each other anyways.

agreed. but I still don't see either as a threat to make it out of the section. The playoffs run through SCC with Sartell and Alexandria as the only teams who could knock them off.

[Shortshift]

This is what it would look like...

SCC VS BRECK/WAP or PRAIRIE CENT
LITTLE FALLS VS FERGUS FALLS
ALEX VS RIVER LAKES
SARTELL VS WADENA

or
SARTELL VS RIVER LAKES
ALEX VS WADENA

Any upsets?

[BP]

This is what it would look like...

SCC VS BRECK/WAP or PRAIRIE CENT
LITTLE FALLS VS FERGUS FALLS
ALEX VS RIVER LAKES
SARTELL VS WADENA

or
SARTELL VS RIVER LAKES
ALEX VS WADENA

Any upsets?

Maybe 4-5. All others shouldn't be close.

[elliott70]

5 good teams that is what you look for in any section.
6A has another exciting play-off to look forward to.

I am partial to Little Falls.

[RRubberbeeskit]

I didn't see that Fergus had lost to them TWICE. I thought their Alex win would carry them over ONE loss to LF. But being as they lost twice to them, then yes I would say they're at the 5 then.

Not that it really matters, they are probably destined to face each other anyways.

agreed. but I still don't see either as a threat to make it out of the section. The playoffs run through SCC with Sartell and Alexandria as the only teams who could knock them off.

I do agree the above three teams Sartell Alexandria and St. Cloud Cathedral stand in the way of getting to the Excel but I do have to whine a little bit in saying I only wish we could have Moorheads number 6 back and Saint Thomas Acads number 16 back. Yes I know I'm crying over spilled milk but losing two kids of that caliber in the Fergus Falls program is a real team changer. The Otters most certainly would've been in the running for a section championship
last season and this one with those two kids . OK now I'm done whining.
The best of luck to all teams here on out !

[Shortshift]

Rubber, 1 quick question on the mnscores QRF. MAML is 6th and Sartell is 14. Sartell has beat them twice 6-2 and 7-2! Are they #6 because they play more AA teams?

[RRubberbeeskit]

Rubber, 1 quick question on the mnscores QRF. MAML is 6th and Sartell is 14. Sartell has beat them twice 6-2 and 7-2! Are they #6 because they play more AA teams?

Shorty; I have a short answer for you. mnscores.net FAQ will give you better clarity than I can on that. I believe Sartell has played more AA teams as of now.

[hockey9011]

Anyone have any guesses on seeding for this section? I'm sure everyone would agree that Cathedral is the clear #1 but the next 4 teams are a little messy. I think Sartell will probably be the 2 seed since their only Class A loss of the season is to SCC and they are 5-0 against the three teams right behind them (They play Alex for a 2nd time tonight). The next three is a case of the A beats B who beats C who beats A. Fergus Falls has swept Alexandria, Alexandria has swept Little Falls, and Little Falls has swept Fergus.

Anyone have any guesses on the order of these three? 6A looks like it will be a fun one.

[elliott70]

Per the best computerized play-off ranking-predictor system ever developed.

ST CLOUD CATHEDRAL
ALEXANDRIA
SARTELL
FERGUS FALLS
LITTLE FALLS
RIVER LAKES
PRAIRIE CENTRE
WADENA
BRECKENRIDGE

[hockey9011]

Per the best computerized play-off ranking-predictor system ever developed.

ST CLOUD CATHEDRAL
ALEXANDRIA
SARTELL
FERGUS FALLS
LITTLE FALLS
RIVER LAKES
PRAIRIE CENTRE
WADENA
BRECKENRIDGE

Sartell up 3-0 already on Alexandria.... Shots 13-2 Sartell.. Barring a collapse here, Sabres will get the #2 seed....well I will update this post now... Alex ended up coming back and winning 5-3 with an empty net goal... not sure what seedings will be now

[elliott70]

Alex 5 Sartell 3
Final

[BSUBeaver]

[quote="hockey9011] Sartell up 3-0 already on Alexandria.... Shots 13-2 Sartell.. Barring a collapse here, Sabres will get the #2 seed....well I will update this post now... Alex ended up coming back and winning 5-3 with an empty net goal... not sure what seedings will be now[/quote]

Boy, that does create a mess..... I think Alex will get the number two seed though. Just basing it on gut feeling (and a little bit of selfishness as I would like to see some home playoff hockey games)!

[PaynePhalenGuy]

The seeds are in for 6A:

1. SCC
2. Alexandria
3. Sartell
4. Little Falls
5. Fergus Falls
6. River Lakes
7. Wadena
8. Prairie Centre
9. B/W

[Shortshift]

Official??? Where did you see this?

[Mowanchuk]

Official??? Where did you see this?

mshsl.org

[PaynePhalenGuy]

Official??? Where did you see this?

Here

[RRubberbeeskit]

The seeds are in for 6A:

1. SCC
2. Alexandria
3. Sartell
4. Little Falls
5. Fergus Falls
6. River Lakes
7. Wadena
8. Prairie Centre
9. B/W

Can someone clearly explain how Little Falls got seated above Fergus Falls.
IMO it appears as though the Otters 2 losses to LF 1-0 and 5-1 carries more weight than the Otters 2 wins over the Cardinals. LF was soundly beaten each time they played the Cards.
Who makes the decisions on the seating and what is taken into account?
Can a coach just vote against a team if they just plain don't like you?
A little confused here in Otter Country

[goldy313]

Every school is put into one of 16 administrative regions, 8AA and 8A, these administrative regions run all the section tournaments in every sport. Region 1AA runs both the 1AA and the 1A hockey section tournaments for example. Sometimes a school will be assigned to a sport specific region the school is not administratively in, i.e. Mankato West is in 2AA but plays hockey in 1A, 2AA runs section 2AA and 3A hockey, clearly most of the 3A teams aren't in 2AA. The administrative region decides what method to seed, and how the seeding should be done, where the games will be played, etc., they run the tournament through a tournament manager, usually an AD of one of the schools.

Some sections in some sports, notably football, use QRF, others use coaches vote. In my section you seed the the teams 1 through however many teams not counting your own team, the section tournament director then throws out the high and low seed and totals up the rest......so say there are 8 teams in the section so every team will have 7 numbers assigned to it, say, 2,2,1,2,3,7,4. You would throw out the 1 and the 7 and total up the remaining 5 numbers, do the same with all 8 teams then put them in order. This prevents one coach from manipulating the process.

I can't say for certain how 6A works but I would bet it is very similar.
What administrative region your school is in is found on your schools MSHSL page, what tournaments each region runs is found under the regions drop down tab. If you pick a region there will be or at least should be a handbook tab among the meeting minutes, if you open that it will give the seeding process.