I think there is a difference between a High School that is paid for by the tax payers in the city and the Ice Arena paid for by the same tax payers, but since you are that delusional lets go with it. Than why lie about yoour reason for open enrolling on your open enrollment application ? Be honest about the reason you are open enrolling is not for academics. It is because you are a delusional parent who is to cheap to pay for a private school and thinks your son has NHL talent and is moving to school to play hockey. You want to screw the true intent of open enrollment for academics and you have taught your son to be dishonest. Why not man up and pay for a private school? You are so delusional if you actually think the parents on the team don't think you are a delusional nut and are actually want you on the team. My son has 3 kids on his team due to open enrollment and the other players would rather roll with the kids they grew up with. We parents are nice to your face as is the custom in MN, but when you get in your car and drive home to another city we talk about how nuts you are. Go back to your school or teach your son to be honest and enroll in a private school to play sports. Same with the coaches who recruit.zooomx wrote:At work, if your company hires someone more talented than you and that person is promoted ahead of you, do you complain?
So are these parents who are complaining telling their kids "life ain't fair little Johnny! You was robbed!"
Also, in one breath, complaining that the coach makes money on a summer camp, then complaining coach doesn't develop players? Sick of hearing parents of underachieving players blame the high school coach for their kids not making varsity. Reasons kids don't develop enough to be star players: 1) Physically, do not possess enough natural talent 2) Did not work hard enough 3) Some combination of 1 and 2. I say this all as a parent who has an 11th grade JV player who probably will get cut next year. If he does, he will move onto the next adventure with zero complaints.
These parents would not be complaining if they had a varsity player. They would be applauding the coach for making the team better. This is 3 pages of sour grapes.
Tic Tic Tic......Tic Tic Tic..... Bomb goes off
Moderators: Mitch Hawker, east hockey, karl(east)
-
BowlusGoon
- Posts: 13
- Joined: Wed Feb 10, 2016 2:15 pm
Ok. Point 1- I don't open enroll, nor do I support open enrolling. My kids are lucky to be in a great school system and we do not need to. We also have no expectation that our kids will play hockey after high school. It is all about college academics at this point.BowlusGoon wrote:I think there is a difference between a High School that is paid for by the tax payers in the city and the Ice Arena paid for by the same tax payers, but since you are that delusional lets go with it. Than why lie about yoour reason for open enrolling on your open enrollment application ? Be honest about the reason you are open enrolling is because you are a delusional parent who is to cheap to pay for a private school and thinks my son has NHL talent and is moving to school to play hockey. You want to screw the true intent of open enrollment for academics and you have taught your son to be dishonest. You are so delusional you actually think the parents on the team don't think you are a delusional nut and are actually happy you open enrolled. My son has 3 kids on his team due to open enrollment and the other players would rather roll with the kids they grew up with. We parents are nice to your face as is the custom in MN, but when you get in your car and drive home to another city we talk about how nuts you are. Go back to your school or teach your son to be honest and enroll in a private school to play sports. Same with the coaches who recruit.zooomx wrote:At work, if your company hires someone more talented than you and that person is promoted ahead of you, do you complain?
So are these parents who are complaining telling their kids "life ain't fair little Johnny! You was robbed!"
Also, in one breath, complaining that the coach makes money on a summer camp, then complaining coach doesn't develop players? Sick of hearing parents of underachieving players blame the high school coach for their kids not making varsity. Reasons kids don't develop enough to be star players: 1) Physically, do not possess enough natural talent 2) Did not work hard enough 3) Some combination of 1 and 2. I say this all as a parent who has an 11th grade JV player who probably will get cut next year. If he does, he will move onto the next adventure with zero complaints.
These parents would not be complaining if they had a varsity player. They would be applauding the coach for making the team better. This is 3 pages of sour grapes.
Point 2- My post was referring to how people respond to this, by attacking everyone else. I agree there are a lot of delusional parents out there chasing false dreams. However, do we know the true reasons behind the families desire to move? Maybe they are running away from something. Who knows?
It is so easy to jump on these forums with assumptions and crucify the other parents, the coaches, etc. I think it all makes some really good people just not feel coaching is worth it. At one time I thought I would want to coach high school sports after my kids graduate, but frankly, I would not want to deal with the baggage that parents bring to the table. It's a shame.
-
karl(east)
- Posts: 6480
- Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:03 pm
- Contact:
-
Gotothenetman
- Posts: 198
- Joined: Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:06 pm
I was at the North vs. STA game and got there a little early and saw TE coaching the JV game. Anyone have any insight into this? All I can think of it's an additional $ xxxx amount of money in his pocket. Or maybe he promised all the recruits on JV he would coach them this year so he is making good on his promise.karl(east) wrote:I don't want to kill the discussion here, but...please make sure it's not personal, either in relation to a Forum member or a person who's not here to defend himself from anonymous claims. Thanks.
Mulefarm you got any insight?
-
Bluelightspecial-II
- Posts: 90
- Joined: Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:23 pm
You mean you were at the JV game watching your son play, or was he a healthy scratch?Gotothenetman wrote:I was at the North vs. STA game and got there a little early and saw TE coaching the JV game. Anyone have any insight into this? All I can think of it's an additional $ xxxx amount of money in his pocket. Or maybe he promised all the recruits on JV he would coach them this year so he is making good on his promise.karl(east) wrote:I don't want to kill the discussion here, but...please make sure it's not personal, either in relation to a Forum member or a person who's not here to defend himself from anonymous claims. Thanks.
Mulefarm you got any insight?
-
Gotothenetman
- Posts: 198
- Joined: Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:06 pm
CorrectBluelightspecial-II wrote:You mean you were at the JV game watching your son play, or was he a healthy scratch?Gotothenetman wrote:I was at the North vs. STA game and got there a little early and saw TE coaching the JV game. Anyone have any insight into this? All I can think of it's an additional $ xxxx amount of money in his pocket. Or maybe he promised all the recruits on JV he would coach them this year so he is making good on his promise.karl(east) wrote:I don't want to kill the discussion here, but...please make sure it's not personal, either in relation to a Forum member or a person who's not here to defend himself from anonymous claims. Thanks.
Mulefarm you got any insight?
-
Defensive Zone
- Posts: 234
- Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:37 am
I heard that was going to happen before tryouts. Your right, there was some promising.Gotothenetman wrote:I was at the North vs. STA game and got there a little early and saw TE coaching the JV game. Anyone have any insight into this? All I can think of it's an additional $ xxxx amount of money in his pocket. Or maybe he promised all the recruits on JV he would coach them this year so he is making good on his promise.karl(east) wrote:I don't want to kill the discussion here, but...please make sure it's not personal, either in relation to a Forum member or a person who's not here to defend himself from anonymous claims. Thanks.
Mulefarm you got any insight?
-
team22tank
- Posts: 74
- Joined: Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:52 am
-
Gotothenetman
- Posts: 198
- Joined: Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:06 pm
-
Bluelightspecial-II
- Posts: 90
- Joined: Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:23 pm
-
Gotothenetman
- Posts: 198
- Joined: Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:06 pm
-
GoldenBear
- Posts: 746
- Joined: Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:38 am
-
Gotothenetman
- Posts: 198
- Joined: Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:06 pm
It's my understanding that most high schools get 3 paid stipends from the school. And then the booster clubs raise money for additional coaches.mulefarm wrote:Your contract is from the beginning of the season to the end. Go Guy, as I looked backed on the thread I'm confused,(doesn't take much) are you a resident of the Lakeville school district or did your son open enroll? Somebody mentioned Apple Valley. Please clarify.
So my guess the guy who wants to recruit like a college coach, act like he is a college coach wants to paid like a college coach, but this is just high school hockey. So maybe an extra stipend by coaching JV makes it feel more like he is a college guy.
Oops a loss to Eastview might mean they need to find a new recruiter not sure what that will cost.
-
Gotothenetman
- Posts: 198
- Joined: Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:06 pm
You are correct I do live in Apple Valley, but did not open enroll. Just a high school hockey fan who is appalled by the BS that goes on at North. It is sad to me that this is where things have gone. What happened to the good ole high school coach role models, and training, competing, and developing with your friends and representing the community you live in.Jeffy95 wrote:He's dodged this question many times. His son is obviously open-enrolled.mulefarm wrote:Go Guy, as I looked backed on the thread I'm confused,(doesn't take much) are you a resident of the Lakeville school district or did your son open enroll? Somebody mentioned Apple Valley. Please clarify.
Maybe TE is a good coach. Not sure because he gets new players every year. But one thing i do know is the % of kids moving to the next level has not changed and it does not matter if your a Hornet, a Panther, a Greyhound or a Elk.
It's sad to me that this great game that used to represent what is great about youth sports as turned into this.
-
Gotothenetman
- Posts: 198
- Joined: Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:06 pm
I would disagree if you are being paid the Varsity Head Coach stipend and the JV head coach stipend simple math says that would be more money than if you were only bring paid one of those stipends. TE is not coaching the JV out of the goodness of his heart I can promise you that.mulefarm wrote:The activity contracts are for the season(salary), but may be paid either in a lump some at the end of year or divided during the season. You go not increase your salary by coaching thr JV. Please clarify the previous question about your residency.
So your son plays for Apple Valley?Gotothenetman wrote:You are correct I do live in Apple Valley, but did not open enroll. Just a high school hockey fan who is appalled by the BS that goes on at North. It is sad to me that this is where things have gone. What happened to the good ole high school coach role models, and training, competing, and developing with your friends and representing the community you live in.Jeffy95 wrote:He's dodged this question many times. His son is obviously open-enrolled.mulefarm wrote:Go Guy, as I looked backed on the thread I'm confused,(doesn't take much) are you a resident of the Lakeville school district or did your son open enroll? Somebody mentioned Apple Valley. Please clarify.
Maybe TE is a good coach. Not sure because he gets new players every year. But one thing i do know is the % of kids moving to the next level has not changed and it does not matter if your a Hornet, a Panther, a Greyhound or a Elk.
It's sad to me that this great game that used to represent what is great about youth sports as turned into this.
Coaching contracts negotiated by the union with the district. A person cannot sign 2 contracts and increase their pay. You are just not worried about the good of hockey, it is obvious you have a personal dislike for the coach and want a bomb to go off. Do you have a son at LN? If so, what association did he play his youth hockey for?
-
Defensive Zone
- Posts: 234
- Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:37 am
The way it works is a school district has a set amount to pay each level coach (Head, Assistant, JV, and Goalie). Usually, districts will pay for 3-4 coaches. It all depends on what was agreed upon during negotiations. After that, the Boosters tend to pick up the rest. That could be a good thing or bad thing. It all depends on what parent is running the check book.Gotothenetman wrote:It's my understanding that most high schools get 3 paid stipends from the school. And then the booster clubs raise money for additional coaches.mulefarm wrote:Your contract is from the beginning of the season to the end. Go Guy, as I looked backed on the thread I'm confused,(doesn't take much) are you a resident of the Lakeville school district or did your son open enroll? Somebody mentioned Apple Valley. Please clarify.
So my guess the guy who wants to recruit like a college coach, act like he is a college coach wants to paid like a college coach, but this is just high school hockey. So maybe an extra stipend by coaching JV makes it feel more like he is a college guy.
Oops a loss to Eastview might mean they need to find a new recruiter not sure what that will cost.
-
Gotothenetman
- Posts: 198
- Joined: Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:06 pm
Why can't he sign two agreements or combine the two amounts into one. Teachers do it all the time. Multiple sports, lunch room duty, patrols, work dances, detention all of these to make more money.mulefarm wrote:Coaching contracts negotiated by the union with the district. A person cannot sign 2 contracts and increase their pay. You are just not worried about the good of hockey, it is obvious you have a personal dislike for the coach and want a bomb to go off. Do you have a son at LN? If so, what association did he play his youth hockey for?
So you think they just forfeited the JV Head Coach stipend because TE is so nice and just a good guy. It will be paid.
