Jeffy95 wrote:Class A is supposed to be for smaller schools that use their own kids. That's what EGF was and nobody ever called for them to move up. Obviously the hockey is not going to be the same as the AA side. That's how it is in every sport. If Hermantown and Breck stay in A then you might as well just go back to one class.
Don't think for a minute that if EGF wins another 2 titles in the next 6 years that people won't be crying for them to challenge themselves. I remember similar cries about Warroad when they were rattling off tourney appearance after appearance. "Why can't you get some guts & be like Roseau?"
Plus, that's your opinion one what Class A is supposed to be. The MSHSL does not agree. If they did, they wouldn't base it purely off of enrollment #'s like they do now. They'd add in that provision.
If they rattled off title after title like St. Thomas, I think the cries to move up to AA would be justified. But they have not been at that level, and just because they beat Mankato West in running time should not cause a riot....
Jeffy95 wrote:Class A is supposed to be for smaller schools that use their own kids. That's what EGF was and nobody ever called for them to move up. Obviously the hockey is not going to be the same as the AA side. That's how it is in every sport. If Hermantown and Breck stay in A then you might as well just go back to one class.
Don't think for a minute that if EGF wins another 2 titles in the next 6 years that people won't be crying for them to challenge themselves. I remember similar cries about Warroad when they were rattling off tourney appearance after appearance. "Why can't you get some guts & be like Roseau?"
Plus, that's your opinion one what Class A is supposed to be. The MSHSL does not agree. If they did, they wouldn't base it purely off of enrollment #'s like they do now. They'd add in that provision.
If they rattled off title after title like St. Thomas, I think the cries to move up to AA would be justified. But they have not been at that level, and just because they beat Mankato West in running time should not cause a riot....
If it weren't for STA and Hermantown, Breck would likely have six titles by now. Losing to another sandbagging Class A team should not be a reason to stay in A.
"You can't triple stamp a double stamp." -Harry Dunn
Jeffy95 wrote:Class A is supposed to be for smaller schools that use their own kids.
No, Class A is supposed to be for smaller schools, period. All Class A teams use their own kids, per MSHSL eligibility rules. The kids that play for Breck just happen to be very good hockey players. I'm looking forward to their game with Thief River Falls, who also has a lot of very good hockey players.
rainier wrote:Not buying it. Here are their PageStat ratings since 2010:
22,10,11,22, and 4 this year. This team can compete in AA, easily.
They've won 4 titles in A and have been to state 8 out of the last 9 years. They routinely play one of if not the toughest schedule in Class A, yet their record since 2009 is 199-40-5.
Enrollment is meaningless for teams in metro areas, especially private schools. If they moved up to AA, they would attract even more talent and would do just fine, considering they would already do just fine in AA.
Two of those titles were over 10 years ago. None of them since 2010.
Fine, send 'em up, I could care less. No dog in the fight. Send along Hermantown too. Then whoever wins the next batch of titles, send them up too. We're slowly moving towards Tier I Tier II from '92 & '93.
Class A is supposed to be for smaller schools that use their own kids. That's what EGF was and nobody ever called for them to move up. Obviously the hockey is not going to be the same as the AA side. That's how it is in every sport. If Hermantown and Breck stay in A then you might as well just go back to one class.
Actually, there were some on this board, calling for egf to move up, which was laughable at best.
Jeffy95 wrote:Class A is supposed to be for smaller schools that use their own kids. That's what EGF was and nobody ever called for them to move up. Obviously the hockey is not going to be the same as the AA side. That's how it is in every sport. If Hermantown and Breck stay in A then you might as well just go back to one class.
Don't think for a minute that if EGF wins another 2 titles in the next 6 years that people won't be crying for them to challenge themselves. I remember similar cries about Warroad when they were rattling off tourney appearance after appearance. "Why can't you get some guts & be like Roseau?"
Plus, that's your opinion one what Class A is supposed to be. The MSHSL does not agree. If they did, they wouldn't base it purely off of enrollment #'s like they do now. They'd add in that provision.
If they rattled off title after title like St. Thomas, I think the cries to move up to AA would be justified. But they have not been at that level, and just because they beat Mankato West in running time should not cause a riot....
The problem I have with Hermantown and Breck is they're basically acting like a AA school by loading up on non-conference games with AA powers like Minnetonka, Wayzata, and Moorhead. Why play class A in the postseason if you're going to act like a class AA school in the regular season? EGF at least acted like a class A school during the regular season.
Jeffy95 wrote:Class A is supposed to be for smaller schools that use their own kids. That's what EGF was and nobody ever called for them to move up. Obviously the hockey is not going to be the same as the AA side. That's how it is in every sport. If Hermantown and Breck stay in A then you might as well just go back to one class.
Don't think for a minute that if EGF wins another 2 titles in the next 6 years that people won't be crying for them to challenge themselves. I remember similar cries about Warroad when they were rattling off tourney appearance after appearance. "Why can't you get some guts & be like Roseau?"
Plus, that's your opinion one what Class A is supposed to be. The MSHSL does not agree. If they did, they wouldn't base it purely off of enrollment #'s like they do now. They'd add in that provision.
If they rattled off title after title like St. Thomas, I think the cries to move up to AA would be justified. But they have not been at that level, and just because they beat Mankato West in running time should not cause a riot....
The problem I have with Hermantown and Breck is they're basically acting like a AA school by loading up on non-conference games with AA powers like Minnetonka, Wayzata, and Moorhead. Why play class A in the postseason if you're going to act like a class AA school in the regular season? EGF at least acted like a class A school during the regular season.
And this too: This season Hermantown played 7 non-conference games against AA schools, Breck played 12. Last year EGF played just 1 non-conference AA school. For Hermantown and Breck that's more than just challenging yourself against a big school power once or twice a year (perfectly fine). That's wanting the benefits of being a class AA school while still keeping your class A section/state trophies.
Jeffy95 wrote:Class A is supposed to be for smaller schools that use their own kids. That's what EGF was and nobody ever called for them to move up. Obviously the hockey is not going to be the same as the AA side. That's how it is in every sport. If Hermantown and Breck stay in A then you might as well just go back to one class.
Don't think for a minute that if EGF wins another 2 titles in the next 6 years that people won't be crying for them to challenge themselves. I remember similar cries about Warroad when they were rattling off tourney appearance after appearance. "Why can't you get some guts & be like Roseau?"
Plus, that's your opinion one what Class A is supposed to be. The MSHSL does not agree. If they did, they wouldn't base it purely off of enrollment #'s like they do now. They'd add in that provision.
If they rattled off title after title like St. Thomas, I think the cries to move up to AA would be justified. But they have not been at that level, and just because they beat Mankato West in running time should not cause a riot....
The problem I have with Hermantown and Breck is they're basically acting like a AA school by loading up on non-conference games with AA powers like Minnetonka, Wayzata, and Moorhead. Why play class A in the postseason if you're going to act like a class AA school in the regular season? EGF at least acted like a class A school during the regular season.
If you have a problem with any team playing a tough schedule in order to get better and ramp up the competition, then you really don't know what you are talking about. "acting like a AA team" get a clue!
Doc Holliday wrote:
Don't think for a minute that if EGF wins another 2 titles in the next 6 years that people won't be crying for them to challenge themselves. I remember similar cries about Warroad when they were rattling off tourney appearance after appearance. "Why can't you get some guts & be like Roseau?"
Plus, that's your opinion one what Class A is supposed to be. The MSHSL does not agree. If they did, they wouldn't base it purely off of enrollment #'s like they do now. They'd add in that provision.
If they rattled off title after title like St. Thomas, I think the cries to move up to AA would be justified. But they have not been at that level, and just because they beat Mankato West in running time should not cause a riot....
The problem I have with Hermantown and Breck is they're basically acting like a AA school by loading up on non-conference games with AA powers like Minnetonka, Wayzata, and Moorhead. Why play class A in the postseason if you're going to act like a class AA school in the regular season? EGF at least acted like a class A school during the regular season.
If you have a problem with any team playing a tough schedule in order to get better and ramp up the competition, then you really don't know what you are talking about. "acting like a AA team" get a clue!
If they want to "get better and ramp up the competition", then why don't they just go to AA? Then they can ramp it up during the playoffs too.
"You can't triple stamp a double stamp." -Harry Dunn
Doc Holliday wrote:
Don't think for a minute that if EGF wins another 2 titles in the next 6 years that people won't be crying for them to challenge themselves. I remember similar cries about Warroad when they were rattling off tourney appearance after appearance. "Why can't you get some guts & be like Roseau?"
Plus, that's your opinion one what Class A is supposed to be. The MSHSL does not agree. If they did, they wouldn't base it purely off of enrollment #'s like they do now. They'd add in that provision.
If they rattled off title after title like St. Thomas, I think the cries to move up to AA would be justified. But they have not been at that level, and just because they beat Mankato West in running time should not cause a riot....
The problem I have with Hermantown and Breck is they're basically acting like a AA school by loading up on non-conference games with AA powers like Minnetonka, Wayzata, and Moorhead. Why play class A in the postseason if you're going to act like a class AA school in the regular season? EGF at least acted like a class A school during the regular season.
If you have a problem with any team playing a tough schedule in order to get better and ramp up the competition, then you really don't know what you are talking about. "acting like a AA team" get a clue!
If Hernantown and Breck say class A is a better fit than AA then why do they seem so willing to play AA schools in the regular season but not post season?
So what would be a proper amount of AA teams Breck is allowed to play?
St. Paul Academy will be the next one that doesn't belong, even though this is their first trip. It would be awesome if the MSHSL stuck it to Providence Academy & made them play Minnetonka in round 1 of 2AA because they can get anybody...
Most people's minds are never going to change on the subject of privates playing in Class A, so I'm not going to even bother with the argument anymore. I'm simply in the camp that says if you are dominating, move up. I don't feel Breck is at that level.
Doc Holliday wrote:So what would be a proper amount of AA teams Breck is allowed to play?
St. Paul Academy will be the next one that doesn't belong, even though this is their first trip. It would be awesome if the MSHSL stuck it to Providence Academy & made them play Minnetonka in round 1 of 2AA because they can get anybody...
Most people's minds are never going to change on the subject of privates playing in Class A, so I'm not going to even bother with the argument anymore. I'm simply in the camp that says if you are dominating, move up. I don't feel Breck is at that level.
I don't necessarily disagree with you but I don't think the spirit of Class A is Metro Privates. Granted, Breck is not at the level of Hermantown. Breck has to compete with so many other top Private and Public programs for players that they will have ups and downs over the years. Plus, you have the added burden of paying thousands of dollars to go there. If you think little Jonny is a Super Star in the Duluth Area or the The Iron Range and want to see him on TV, you can just send him to Hermantown for free. They have a 100% chance of making it to State every year. So it's not just a private thing. If you've read this forum for awhile, you don't hear a whole lot about Breck being called out. Hermantown is literally discussed every single day.
I'm looking forward to their game with Thief River Falls, who also has a lot of very good hockey players.