Very hard (and unfair) to compare +- for a player getting very limited time vs. lesser competition against players out in the crunch situations vs. top teams. I would have to go back and look at the tape (which I won't), but I think the lack of Malmquist was the major factor in the Duluth loss over mistakes by the D. I don't think Malmquist would have been as puzzled by the trap as the less experienced forwards were.Whopper2 wrote:Your right phillips could play forward as well.Mistakes lose games. sta lost because donahue made two back to back mistakes. Edina had the same problem. Check out johonsons plus -minus and compare it to the other D. Thats the most important thing to determine his worth to the team.
Section 6AA
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badgermom78
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Section 6AA looks to be open for the taking this year. Would like to see Hopkins and Cretin contend to push Edina, Wayzata and Benilde.
Edina: Obviously great players but not the proven depth that they have enjoyed in the past. Younger talent is exceptional and will have no other option than to carry the load. Goalie is an unknown, or at least, unproven at Varsity level.
Benilde: Good Junior goalie and should be heavily weighted with Seniors. Could Defense actually be Benilde's "calling card"? Top two lines could be all Seniors hungry to get their chance after watching the Besse, Naas, Jungels eras.
Wayzata: Good goalie with experience. Senior forwards that have shown they can score when relied upon. Defensive depth and depth at forward is something Wayzata is going to have to build up and that may mean a slow start out of the gate for the Trojans.
Hopkins: Loss of best player to graduation (goalie) is going to leave a mark on this years squad. They have some experience coming back up front and on the blue line so I would expect to see Hopkins give some higher end teams all they can handle.
Cretin: If for just geographic reasons, Cretin must be scratching their heads on how they ended up in 6AA. Complaining is not going to do much to change their situation but they do have some experience coming back up front. Like Benilde and Edina, they lost a lot of scoring experience and will have some new faces on the blue line, and most importantly, in the net. Look for Cretin not to back down and compete.
Holy Angels: They will have to recreate their top line production that was lost through graduation. Strength of schedule is not the toughest so a little hard to gauge how they will do but they do have STA the second game of the year so that should be a early indicator.
Arm/Cooper: Potential to be 50% Senior roster but lost some key players. Tough section for them to be seeded highly and go on to a multiple game upset run so not expecting to see them in St. Paul. But if they can gel as a team and knock off Maple Grove, Blaine or Elk River early in the season than they could hurt somebody in Sections.
St. Louis Park: Top producers returning this year and with arguably the best goalie in the section don't take this team lightly. Lunch pail attitude mixed in with some skill they will go from 8 wins to double digits.
-Not aware of specifics but most likely will see Edina and Wayzata bantam program can make an impact in the upcoming season so that, along with team chemistry, can really alter things.
-Hard not to pick Edina as the favorite but if Benilde can find some new scoring go with their D and G they very well could be the favorite.
Edina: Obviously great players but not the proven depth that they have enjoyed in the past. Younger talent is exceptional and will have no other option than to carry the load. Goalie is an unknown, or at least, unproven at Varsity level.
Benilde: Good Junior goalie and should be heavily weighted with Seniors. Could Defense actually be Benilde's "calling card"? Top two lines could be all Seniors hungry to get their chance after watching the Besse, Naas, Jungels eras.
Wayzata: Good goalie with experience. Senior forwards that have shown they can score when relied upon. Defensive depth and depth at forward is something Wayzata is going to have to build up and that may mean a slow start out of the gate for the Trojans.
Hopkins: Loss of best player to graduation (goalie) is going to leave a mark on this years squad. They have some experience coming back up front and on the blue line so I would expect to see Hopkins give some higher end teams all they can handle.
Cretin: If for just geographic reasons, Cretin must be scratching their heads on how they ended up in 6AA. Complaining is not going to do much to change their situation but they do have some experience coming back up front. Like Benilde and Edina, they lost a lot of scoring experience and will have some new faces on the blue line, and most importantly, in the net. Look for Cretin not to back down and compete.
Holy Angels: They will have to recreate their top line production that was lost through graduation. Strength of schedule is not the toughest so a little hard to gauge how they will do but they do have STA the second game of the year so that should be a early indicator.
Arm/Cooper: Potential to be 50% Senior roster but lost some key players. Tough section for them to be seeded highly and go on to a multiple game upset run so not expecting to see them in St. Paul. But if they can gel as a team and knock off Maple Grove, Blaine or Elk River early in the season than they could hurt somebody in Sections.
St. Louis Park: Top producers returning this year and with arguably the best goalie in the section don't take this team lightly. Lunch pail attitude mixed in with some skill they will go from 8 wins to double digits.
-Not aware of specifics but most likely will see Edina and Wayzata bantam program can make an impact in the upcoming season so that, along with team chemistry, can really alter things.
-Hard not to pick Edina as the favorite but if Benilde can find some new scoring go with their D and G they very well could be the favorite.
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HornetsFan
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4 years removed from Edina but I still have an inside source, we'll see how reliable he is...
Really just confirming previous information, besides the sophomore shoo-in's, Tabor has the best shot at cracking the Varsity roster.
The freshman who had the best shot at making the team is injured, so we can rule him out.
Goaltending situation is still up in the air.
I'm personally interested in how this Edina youth movement stacks up against the experience BSM and Wayzata will bring.
Really just confirming previous information, besides the sophomore shoo-in's, Tabor has the best shot at cracking the Varsity roster.
The freshman who had the best shot at making the team is injured, so we can rule him out.
Goaltending situation is still up in the air.
I'm personally interested in how this Edina youth movement stacks up against the experience BSM and Wayzata will bring.
I don't think you can rule him out. He could be ready in a month or so in which case Giles will put him on the team, especially if he's as good as everyone says. Whopper should be able to tell us for sure.HornetsFan wrote: The freshman who had the best shot at making the team is injured, so we can rule him out.
No offense to your keen eyes, but I imagine the 6'5" defenseman who played for a deeper Edina team as a 9th grader has more than a "little chance to make the team"Whopper2 wrote:brinkman not quite ready. tabor looking good. pugh cant skate has little chance to make the team. casey rocks. walker skating well no one else is standing out except maybe jungles but its early
He somehow made the blades u18 team this fall, I'm guessing he will find a way to rejoin this team.
In the meantime, keep bashing a high schooler.
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badgermom78
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Whooper, let me understand something -Whopper2 wrote:you havent seen him skate have you. he was on the blades roster but never played.If 6-5 makes you good and what you did yesterday important then he may have a chance.Read the story in lets play hockey nov 5 the advantage of being short.Then go watch him play and tell us what you think
1. You are watching tryouts?
2. You are calling out kids that will not make the team while your kid has not made the team either?
Say what you want about Edina parents but they have more class than to post negative things about their players - you are obviously not from Edina.
I know who I am pulling for to make the Edina squad!
I think Badgermom kind of covered part of it, but no I have not seen him skate recently, because I don't watch tryouts.Whopper2 wrote:you havent seen him skate have you. he was on the blades roster but never played.If 6-5 makes you good and what you did yesterday important then he may have a chance.Read the story in lets play hockey nov 5 the advantage of being short.Then go watch him play and tell us what you think
I will have to take your word on him never playing, because I never saw one of the Blade games.
To be honest, he is trying out for a high school team. There has been plenty of kids in the past who have made the team who have not been great skaters, even defenseman.
But, the main purpose of my first comment really was more about how you were putting down a high school student than what your rebuttal implies.
I think when you are talking about young kids, there is a better way to express certain skill sets than by claiming they are just bad at that specific skill. These kids work hard to play this sport, but they are not NHL players, so I don't think they should be criticized like one.
What's really sad about Whoppers comments is the poor kid was out for an entire year with a concussion and was lucky enough to keep playing. I'm hoping like heck he makes and plays a ton, I'm pulling for the kid as he easily could've given up. But he's playing a game he loves, worked his tail off to get back to playing the game, and you sit and rip the kid ton increase your son's stock. In addition, that must be a fun squad and incredible awkwardness for kids and parents when your son and the kid are on the same team together.
My brother is still in hornet land and gave me his opinionated update after watching the first 3 nights of Edina tryouts: D locks are Phillips, Mickelson, Tabor, Johnson and Foley. Last spot probably to M. Hankinson or Hatch (both seniors). F locks are Dornbach, Tucker, Moon, Copeland, Walker, Scheerer. Probably take G. Malmquist, J. Hankinson, Luther. Last 3 spots between Crosby, Swanson, Boltman, Anderson, maybe Kromer or Borst. Goalies are DeGrood and..... This is a fun time of year! In my neck of the woods we are seeing if a dynasty can be formed ala the Hornets Nest. God knows Eigner is trying... But that is another forum string!
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badgermom78
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"watching the first 3 nights of tryouts"- is it more common than not for parents to watch tryouts?redtundra wrote:My brother is still in hornet land and gave me his opinionated update after watching the first 3 nights of Edina tryouts: D locks are Phillips, Mickelson, Tabor, Johnson and Foley. Last spot probably to M. Hankinson or Hatch (both seniors). F locks are Dornbach, Tucker, Moon, Copeland, Walker, Scheerer. Probably take G. Malmquist, J. Hankinson, Luther. Last 3 spots between Crosby, Swanson, Boltman, Anderson, maybe Kromer or Borst. Goalies are DeGrood and..... This is a fun time of year! In my neck of the woods we are seeing if a dynasty can be formed ala the Hornets Nest. God knows Eigner is trying... But that is another forum string!
Watching tryouts
That's a great question! I think there are quite a few hockey nuts who go to tryouts - at least with the older kids. A buddy of mine had a son at a WHL camp and he said the whole town turned out for the final scrimmage of tryout camp.
In Edina it's considered the norm. At the youth level it's a given, less so at High School, however, you will see parents trying to watch without being seen. Pretty comical really, or pathetic, depending on your viewpoint.badgermom78 wrote: "watching the first 3 nights of tryouts"- is it more common than not for parents to watch tryouts?
I remember as a hockey parent going through withdrawals. Your kid plays hockey and then you suddenly get rid of the kid and go into withdrawals. Probably not as bad as say heroin but close. Then along comes tryouts, you think, why not? Tryouts are sort of like Methadone for hockey withdrawals, not as good as the real stuff but hockey-ish enough to stop some of the shaking and to get ready for the season. Now that I don't have kids playing anymore I still have to confess to the occasional urge to drop by the arena to see what is going on and if tryouts are on for somebody I would stay, just to get the edge off.badgermom78 wrote:"watching the first 3 nights of tryouts"- is it more common than not for parents to watch tryouts?redtundra wrote:My brother is still in hornet land and gave me his opinionated update after watching the first 3 nights of Edina tryouts: D locks are Phillips, Mickelson, Tabor, Johnson and Foley. Last spot probably to M. Hankinson or Hatch (both seniors). F locks are Dornbach, Tucker, Moon, Copeland, Walker, Scheerer. Probably take G. Malmquist, J. Hankinson, Luther. Last 3 spots between Crosby, Swanson, Boltman, Anderson, maybe Kromer or Borst. Goalies are DeGrood and..... This is a fun time of year! In my neck of the woods we are seeing if a dynasty can be formed ala the Hornets Nest. God knows Eigner is trying... But that is another forum string!
Wet Paint wrote:I remember as a hockey parent going through withdrawals. Your kid plays hockey and then you suddenly get rid of the kid and go into withdrawals. Probably not as bad as say heroin but close. Then along comes tryouts, you think, why not? Tryouts are sort of like Methadone for hockey withdrawals, not as good as the real stuff but hockey-ish enough to stop some of the shaking and to get ready for the season. Now that I don't have kids playing anymore I still have to confess to the occasional urge to drop by the arena to see what is going on and if tryouts are on for somebody I would stay, just to get the edge off.badgermom78 wrote:"watching the first 3 nights of tryouts"- is it more common than not for parents to watch tryouts?redtundra wrote:My brother is still in hornet land and gave me his opinionated update after watching the first 3 nights of Edina tryouts: D locks are Phillips, Mickelson, Tabor, Johnson and Foley. Last spot probably to M. Hankinson or Hatch (both seniors). F locks are Dornbach, Tucker, Moon, Copeland, Walker, Scheerer. Probably take G. Malmquist, J. Hankinson, Luther. Last 3 spots between Crosby, Swanson, Boltman, Anderson, maybe Kromer or Borst. Goalies are DeGrood and..... This is a fun time of year! In my neck of the woods we are seeing if a dynasty can be formed ala the Hornets Nest. God knows Eigner is trying... But that is another forum string!
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Edina Roster came out,
Dornbach
Oesterrich
Scheerer
Copeland
Tucker
Johnson
Crosby
Jungels
G. Malmquist
Walker
Phillips
Stedman
M. Hankinson
Mickelson
Tabor
J. Hankinson
Shoemaker
Boltman
DeGrood
Soloman
Somewhat surprised that Foley and Pugh missed the team, I thought one would have had to be on the team.
Moon was the other one who played a bit last year, but is not on the roster. He is still only a 10th grader so he will have chances to move up.
Dornbach
Oesterrich
Scheerer
Copeland
Tucker
Johnson
Crosby
Jungels
G. Malmquist
Walker
Phillips
Stedman
M. Hankinson
Mickelson
Tabor
J. Hankinson
Shoemaker
Boltman
DeGrood
Soloman
Somewhat surprised that Foley and Pugh missed the team, I thought one would have had to be on the team.
Moon was the other one who played a bit last year, but is not on the roster. He is still only a 10th grader so he will have chances to move up.