Try-outs for 2002 girls for Team MN going to Europe

InigoMontoya · Post by **InigoMontoya** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:42 am

I hope she does very well; I just hope folks on here will cut her a little slack if she doesn't lead the conference in scoring after the first 3 games. She does have a monster shot for a 13 year old, and great hockey sense from lots of hours on the ice, but 'isn't very fast' is a tough way to jump in.

Nevertoomuchhockey · Post by **Nevertoomuchhockey** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:50 am

I completely and totally apologize for saying that. I should have read back before posting. I was trying to point out that she has been hanging with, having success against, and winning at higher levels than her own for a long time. For her age she is extremely fast. For varsity I think her speed is the only area of her game that won't be as good or better than anyone on her team day one. What I meant as a compliment sounded like anything but. I think she will be an impact player for every game she plays in. Points or not points, she will be a threat. I honestly didn't mean to criticize her. I added this post rather than editing my earlier to express that more clearly.

Tigerhockey2012 · Post by **Tigerhockey2012** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:36 pm

Nevertoomuchhockey wrote:She's only been playing 12u for association hockey. That Machine team has been playing up in every tourney I've ever seen them in. Both 16u and 19u. If you didn't know you would never have guessed she was significantly younger. Breck struggled last season and my money says she starts varsity from the get. She isn't very fast, but she's a talented and intimidating tough player. Not sure of the history of how she got to Breck, but IMHO they couldn't have picked a better player to have immediate impact and shore up their systems. Right player right time.

She is an 8th grader now not 7th. I've coached her, anyone that says she isn't fast should get on the ice with her. She is deceptively fast and strong as an ox. I would be willing to bet her speed is top 10% of high school girls worst case. Probably better than that. Single handily won state as a 12U? No. There was plenty of talent on that team other than her. Do they win state without her? No. Are they top 10 without her? Absolutely.

36Guy · Post by **36Guy** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:22 pm

Double post

36Guy · Post by **36Guy** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:25 pm

36Guy wrote:
Tigerhockey2012 wrote:
Nevertoomuchhockey wrote:She's only been playing 12u for association hockey. That Machine team has been playing up in every tourney I've ever seen them in. Both 16u and 19u. If you didn't know you would never have guessed she was significantly younger. Breck struggled last season and my money says she starts varsity from the get. She isn't very fast, but she's a talented and intimidating tough player. Not sure of the history of how she got to Breck, but IMHO they couldn't have picked a better player to have immediate impact and shore up their systems. Right player right time.
She is an 8th grader now not 7th. I've coached her, anyone that says she isn't fast should get on the ice with her. She is deceptively fast and strong as an ox. I would be willing to bet her speed is top 10% of high school girls worst case. Probably better than that. Single handily won state as a 12U? No. There was plenty of talent on that team other than her. Do they win state without her? No. Are they top 10 without her? Absolutely.

Just to be clear, I am the one that started thee 7th grader miscommunication. I am aware she is an 8th grader, my daughter actually played a few games with her this spring. What I meant and my point was, I know college coaches that had her on their radar in 7th grade. Very nice player!

Snap Happy · Post by **Snap Happy** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 2:02 pm

36Guy wrote:
36Guy wrote:
Tigerhockey2012 wrote: She is an 8th grader now not 7th. I've coached her, anyone that says she isn't fast should get on the ice with her. She is deceptively fast and strong as an ox. I would be willing to bet her speed is top 10% of high school girls worst case. Probably better than that. Single handily won state as a 12U? No. There was plenty of talent on that team other than her. Do they win state without her? No. Are they top 10 without her? Absolutely.
Just to be clear, I am the one that started thee 7th grader miscommunication. I am aware she is an 8th grader, my daughter actually played a few games with her this spring. What I meant and my point was, I know college coaches that had her on their radar in 7th grade. Very nice player!

I remember someone posting a comment about "high school being the great equalizer" recently. It had to do with early and late "bloomers". I wonder how or if that might apply in this situation. I've seen a few girls in my limited girls youth hockey experience who "develop" early and have quite the advantage over their class. I wonder if that has some to do in this situation. But she sure did have quite a monster of a shot either way!

pepperpot · Post by **pepperpot** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 3:42 pm

Totally applies snap, at least to anyone who has watched boys and girls hockey for more than their kids "career" or isn't ignorant. We've had a couple in our girls program, with a phenom reputation that started very early in their hockey "careers" along with there famous family pedigrees. They were known as being on the "radar" of all the big D1 schools. Fast forward 5 years. Neither will be anything other than good high school players. Boys, injuries, different interests, leveling off, parents who push too much, yadda, yadda, yadda. Every year I read this garbage, both on the boys and girls side. "Little suzy ripped it up at the 12U state!" "She's on Minnesota's "Radar"!" Whatever. for every one of those you claim are the top 5% of the top 10% when they are 12, I'll show you 50 kids just like her who end up marginal. Deceptively fast and strong as an Ox? Give her the Ms Hockey award, her scholarship to the goofers and move on to the next 12 year old so I can get my fill of the daily funnies.

Hansonbrother · Post by **Hansonbrother** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:11 am

pepperpot wrote:Totally applies snap, at least to anyone who has watched boys and girls hockey for more than their kids "career" or isn't ignorant. We've had a couple in our girls program, with a phenom reputation that started very early in their hockey "careers" along with there famous family pedigrees. They were known as being on the "radar" of all the big D1 schools. Fast forward 5 years. Neither will be anything other than good high school players. Boys, injuries, different interests, leveling off, parents who push too much, yadda, yadda, yadda. Every year I read this garbage, both on the boys and girls side. "Little suzy ripped it up at the 12U state!" "She's on Minnesota's "Radar"!" Whatever. for every one of those you claim are the top 5% of the top 10% when they are 12, I'll show you 50 kids just like her who end up marginal. Deceptively fast and strong as an Ox? Give her the Ms Hockey award, her scholarship to the goofers and move on to the next 12 year old so I can get my fill of the daily funnies.

Agreed Pepper... "Deceptively fast and strong as an Ox"...those are great qualities, but unfortunately, quickness is the key to the girls game. I've seen many girl players that were fast...once they got going. But, it is the ones that are quick that move on to play big time college hockey. These are the players that can stop and start. These are the players that can quickly stop and have explosive acceleration to get back into the play. Not big loops and turns trying to avoid the stopping and the starting. Big difference between fast and quick...big difference. And right now, this is what I've seen from said player...who up until now, has been able to get away with looping...

Tigerhockey2012 · Post by **Tigerhockey2012** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:35 am

Hansonbrother wrote:
pepperpot wrote:Totally applies snap, at least to anyone who has watched boys and girls hockey for more than their kids "career" or isn't ignorant. We've had a couple in our girls program, with a phenom reputation that started very early in their hockey "careers" along with there famous family pedigrees. They were known as being on the "radar" of all the big D1 schools. Fast forward 5 years. Neither will be anything other than good high school players. Boys, injuries, different interests, leveling off, parents who push too much, yadda, yadda, yadda. Every year I read this garbage, both on the boys and girls side. "Little suzy ripped it up at the 12U state!" "She's on Minnesota's "Radar"!" Whatever. for every one of those you claim are the top 5% of the top 10% when they are 12, I'll show you 50 kids just like her who end up marginal. Deceptively fast and strong as an Ox? Give her the Ms Hockey award, her scholarship to the goofers and move on to the next 12 year old so I can get my fill of the daily funnies.
I've played against men who aren't as strong as she is. There are only a couple of things that I can see stopping her burn out or injury. I've also heard people say that she is going to get caught. Who is going to catch her? She is already starting to do to high school girls what she did to 12U girls. In fact I once believed she was going to get caught. All I have seen over the last couple of years is the gap widening not getting closer. I have never seen a girl at any level shoot the puck harder than she does. Who is going to catch that? You'll show me 50 kids just like her? I have never even seen one that was like her. The only thing that stops her is too much hockey either through burn out or injury.
Agreed Pepper... "Deceptively fast and strong as an Ox"...those are great qualities, but unfortunately, quickness is the key to the girls game. I've seen many girl players that were fast...once they got going. But, it is the ones that are quick that move on to play big time college hockey. These are the players that can stop and start. These are the players that can quickly stop and have explosive acceleration to get back into the play. Not big loops and turns trying to avoid the stopping and the starting. Big difference between fast and quick...big difference. And right now, this is what I've seen from said player...who up until now, has been able to get away with looping...

Hansonbrother · Post by **Hansonbrother** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:01 am

Tigerhockey2012 wrote:
Hansonbrother wrote:
pepperpot wrote:Totally applies snap, at least to anyone who has watched boys and girls hockey for more than their kids "career" or isn't ignorant. We've had a couple in our girls program, with a phenom reputation that started very early in their hockey "careers" along with there famous family pedigrees. They were known as being on the "radar" of all the big D1 schools. Fast forward 5 years. Neither will be anything other than good high school players. Boys, injuries, different interests, leveling off, parents who push too much, yadda, yadda, yadda. Every year I read this garbage, both on the boys and girls side. "Little suzy ripped it up at the 12U state!" "She's on Minnesota's "Radar"!" Whatever. for every one of those you claim are the top 5% of the top 10% when they are 12, I'll show you 50 kids just like her who end up marginal. Deceptively fast and strong as an Ox? Give her the Ms Hockey award, her scholarship to the goofers and move on to the next 12 year old so I can get my fill of the daily funnies.
I've played against men who aren't as strong as she is. There are only a couple of things that I can see stopping her burn out or injury. I've also heard people say that she is going to get caught. Who is going to catch her? She is already starting to do to high school girls what she did to 12U girls. In fact I once believed she was going to get caught. All I have seen over the last couple of years is the gap widening not getting closer. I have never seen a girl at any level shoot the puck harder than she does. Who is going to catch that? You'll show me 50 kids just like her? I have never even seen one that was like her. The only thing that stops her is too much hockey either through burn out or injury.
Agreed Pepper... "Deceptively fast and strong as an Ox"...those are great qualities, but unfortunately, quickness is the key to the girls game. I've seen many girl players that were fast...once they got going. But, it is the ones that are quick that move on to play big time college hockey. These are the players that can stop and start. These are the players that can quickly stop and have explosive acceleration to get back into the play. Not big loops and turns trying to avoid the stopping and the starting. Big difference between fast and quick...big difference. And right now, this is what I've seen from said player...who up until now, has been able to get away with looping...

as I said, time will tell. I have seen this player numerous times as well, but I have also seen players who have gone on to play D1, and Olympic hockey at her age level, and this is what I see...

pepperpot · Post by **pepperpot** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:52 pm

Thanks for that! One of the best posts I've ever seen. "I have never seen a girl at any level shoot the puck harder than she does"? LMFAO! That's RICH!! You're spending too much time watching 12 year olds!!! LOL! "I've played against men who aren't as strong as she is." Stop- stop, please, I'm begging you!!!LOLOL! What league do you play in, mens ringette? LOL!!!

Hansonbrother · Post by **Hansonbrother** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:34 pm

pepperpot wrote:Thanks for that! One of the best posts I've ever seen. "I have never seen a girl at any level shoot the puck harder than she does"? LMFAO! That's RICH!! You're spending too much time watching 12 year olds!!! LOL! "I've played against men who aren't as strong as she is." Stop- stop, please, I'm begging you!!!LOLOL! What league do you play in, mens ringette? LOL!!!

Pep, this post is entertaining, but she does rip the puck...I will give her that!

Nevertoomuchhockey · Post by **Nevertoomuchhockey** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:57 pm

Gotta love how the one guy on this thread who has never watched this girl play is so certain about her overbilling. While those of us who've seen her play once or a dozen or a hundred times try to convince him she is a special player.
I wish her the best of luck at the Olympics or jv or wherever she lands. And I'll stay on the side of this thread that isn't threatened by her success and wants the best for all of our daughters.
Even the girls in Cloquet.

Maybe head down 35 this season to watch some of the teams and players you dismiss outright because you think they bought their talent.
Or not.

nu2hockey · Post by **nu2hockey** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:38 pm

The girl is a good player and it will be fun to watch her now and in the future

It appears that she has polarized some of the girls hockey community because she has
outsized her competition and used it to her advantage. So what if she has.. She is 13 and still
learning and advancing her game.

InigoMontoya · Post by **InigoMontoya** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:11 am

I hate to be the one to enter a post actually related to the title, but...how did tryouts go?

Tigerhockey2012 · Post by **Tigerhockey2012** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:28 am

pepperpot wrote:Thanks for that! One of the best posts I've ever seen. "I have never seen a girl at any level shoot the puck harder than she does"? LMFAO! That's RICH!! You're spending too much time watching 12 year olds!!! LOL! "I've played against men who aren't as strong as she is." Stop- stop, please, I'm begging you!!!LOLOL! What league do you play in, mens ringette? LOL!!!

Believe it don't believe it your choice. I said I've played against men that aren't as strong as her not that she is stronger than all men. I think for her to be stronger than any adult male says a lot. She is definitely bigger than several adult males I know. That Breck team she will be on this year is loaded with talent. There are several girls on that team that are D1 prospects. I'll bet she is right up there at or near the top in points this year for that team.

pepperpot · Post by **pepperpot** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:43 am

Never, as someone who supposedly prides themselves on their impartial posts (cough), I find it incredible you would support a ludicrous statement like that. Think about it for a minute. a 13 year old girl has as strong a shot as any Olympian? As any D1 player? I don't care how "special" she is, she isn't even in the same breath as those players, and no, I haven't seen her play. I don't have to. I'm sure she's a fine player based on all the homers fawning on her. Not questioning that. As strong as an adult man with a shot harder than the worlds premier woman hockey players? Give me a freakin break and get off the pipe. You've sunk to a new low of stupidity.

pepperpot · Post by **pepperpot** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:57 am

Tiger, think about what you are saying. You're digging a hole. "She is definitely bigger than several adult males I know." LMFAO, so what?! Admit it Dad, you're reaching! LOL!!
http://hockeygods.com/images/7062-Verne ... tanley_Cup

36Guy · Post by **36Guy** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:50 am

InigoMontoya wrote:I hate to be the one to enter a post actually related to the title, but...how did tryouts go?

It went great, it is really cool to see how strong girls hockey is in Minnesota. A lot of talented young girls and some really good hockey IQ's for 2002's. It's even funnier to watch two girls giving each other the business in the corner and then walk out the locker room looking like 70 pound Barbie dolls. Good stuff!

sinbin · Post by **sinbin** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:21 am

InigoMontoya wrote:I hate to be the one to enter a post actually related to the title, but...how did tryouts go?

Inigo, you contrarian, you.

Tigerhockey2012 · Post by **Tigerhockey2012** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:39 pm

pepperpot wrote:Tiger, think about what you are saying. You're digging a hole. "She is definitely bigger than several adult males I know." LMFAO, so what?! Admit it Dad, you're reaching! LOL!!
http://hockeygods.com/images/7062-Verne ... tanley_Cup

Just a rough estimate she is probably about 5'8" maybe 180 to 190lbs. Do you know any adult males smaller than that? You've never seen her but you feel fully qualified to comment on her? Hmmm. Dad? No. Mine is about 5'3" 110lbs. Certainly not stronger than any adult male nor as big. A good player but not on the level of this one. Maybe go watch her and then get back to me.

pepperpot · Post by **pepperpot** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:28 pm

There once was a young girl from Mound
Whose muscles were big and round
Her slap shot was fast
Huge points she amassed
And now she is Olympic bound
The end.

GrandpaChip · Post by **GrandpaChip** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:17 pm

pepperpot wrote:There once was a young girl from Mound
Whose muscles were big and round
Her slap shot was fast
Huge points she amassed
And now she is Olympic bound
The end.

PepperPot,

Reminds me of the day my grandson threw my war medals of the bridge.

On another note I have a great grand daughter that is in mites. Do you think you could spare the time to come watch her and evaluate her future hockey career? I will pay for your airfare as she lives in Taladega.

Please let me know where to send the ticket.

Nevertoomuchhockey · Post by **Nevertoomuchhockey** » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:32 am

pepperpot wrote:Never, as someone who supposedly prides themselves on their impartial posts (cough), I find it incredible you would support a ludicrous statement like that. Think about it for a minute. a 13 year old girl has as strong a shot as any Olympian? As any D1 player? I don't care how "special" she is, she isn't even in the same breath as those players, and no, I haven't seen her play. I don't have to. I'm sure she's a fine player based on all the homers fawning on her. Not questioning that. As strong as an adult man with a shot harder than the worlds premier woman hockey players? Give me a freakin break and get off the pipe. You've sunk to a new low of stupidity.

Pepper I did not say or support any of those things. Not a single one. My opinion is that she is very talented and based on what I watched at Breck last year, I think she will be a great fit and impact player from the start. Never compared her to a man, an Olympian, a D1 player, or anything else.

My point to you was only that it seemed strange that the only person who had never watched this player had such a strong opinion that she was overrated. If it's STUPID to question how you personally know how overhyped she is when you've never seen her or any of the half dozen teams the rest of us have watched her on over the last few years then clearly I am STUPID. Just keep the name calling toward me and not this kid alright? Out of respect for her and her family and team, I won't speak on the subject again.

But it absolutely infuriates me when you attribute opinions and statements to me that I didn't say and don't agree with. And for the record, most of us on the board can act like gentlemen and disagree without the name calling and pettiness. I'm not STUPID just because we may disagree. I'm not STUPID because I can't put down THE PIPE either.

InigoMontoya · Post by **InigoMontoya** » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:42 am

36Guy wrote:
InigoMontoya wrote:I hate to be the one to enter a post actually related to the title, but...how did tryouts go?
It went great, it is really cool to see how strong girls hockey is in Minnesota. A lot of talented young girls and some really good hockey IQ's for 2002's. It's even funnier to watch two girls giving each other the business in the corner and then walk out the locker room looking like 70 pound Barbie dolls. Good stuff!

How many were there?
How many were selected?

HighSchoolHockeyForums.com

Try-outs for 2002 girls for Team MN going to Europe

Reminds me of that one time at band camp.