Reading this thread, I cannot help thinking what if MN Hockey would open up their residency rule and let any hockey player play where they want. My son use to play soccer and that governed body lets players play anywhere. If this happened in hockey, associations would be forced to get their house in order or lose players. Just a thought.
Every assn has a group of dissatisfied parents that believe the grass is greener just down the road. Most find it's not. Our board released (with pleasure) one fellow a few years ago. I was approached by a board member from the assn that took him asking if we wouldn't please take him back...
Question - Is there such a thing as a small assn that doesn't have a huge amount of talent that is non the less well run?
My experience tells me that there are two reasons most parents want to transfer. The first reason is because the assn down the road has a better team. The 2nd is that their local assn doesn't recognize that Johnny is a star. Both of these reasons are then translated by the parent into "poorly run organization"
You forgot reason #3... Little Johnny really is recognized as a star, and Johnny's parents are well grounded and good people who want to stay but the other parents petty jealousy forces Johnny and family to find somewhere to play where they won't be under constant ridicule and venom spewing just because Johnny doesn't let their little superstar shine............
Reading this thread, I cannot help thinking what if MN Hockey would open up their residency rule and let any hockey player play where they want. My son use to play soccer and that governed body lets players play anywhere. If this happened in hockey, associations would be forced to get their house in order or lose players. Just a thought.
Every assn has a group of dissatisfied parents that believe the grass is greener just down the road. Most find it's not. Our board released (with pleasure) one fellow a few years ago. I was approached by a board member from the assn that took him asking if we wouldn't please take him back...
Question - Is there such a thing as a small assn that doesn't have a huge amount of talent that is non the less well run?
My experience tells me that there are two reasons most parents want to transfer. The first reason is because the assn down the road has a better team. The 2nd is that their local assn doesn't recognize that Johnny is a star. Both of these reasons are then translated by the parent into "poorly run organization"
You forgot reason #3... Little Johnny really is recognized as a star, and Johnny's parents are well grounded and good people who want to stay but the other parents petty jealousy forces Johnny and family to find somewhere to play where they won't be under constant ridicule and venom spewing just because Johnny doesn't let their little superstar shine............
Good point.
I've seen teams that would literally rather lose, than involve a player per above, that the other kids didn't like.
nobody wrote:What kind of a team culture would rather loose, than win with a " Johnny the star"?
The kind run by parents, where the parents involved are not the parents of Johnny Superstar.... it's called petty jealousy..... and it's usually the parents that are behind the venom that gets spewed (even the venom spewed by the kids usually originates with the parents)
nobody wrote:What kind of a team culture would rather loose, than win with a " Johnny the star"?
The kind run by parents, where the parents involved are not the parents of Johnny Superstar.... it's called petty jealousy..... and it's usually the parents that are behind the venom that gets spewed (even the venom spewed by the kids usually originates with the parents)
All the worse when it's also coming from the (former) coach and board (president)members... Almost can seem like their life revolves around keeping the kid down.
Next thing you know, you're sitting around the pool at a bantam tournament up north, chuckling about the rodeo clown on the A team that is the board president's kid, and someone says, "We sure could use Billy that lives down the block, but has enrolled in the local private school this year." That's followed up with, "Remember Jimmy, that lead the peewees in scoring his first year, but his dad took a job in Lakeville?" Then, "Sam was a big defensemen on that team; I think they moved to Maple Grove." "I heard that this year's best defenseman's dad is transferring to the Chaska office." "Remember Jeff from squirts? He's tearing it up this year in Woodbury." "Yeah, Steve, the best athlete I've ever seen on a football or baseball field, played choice instead of playing with these guys." It then occurs to everyone that you've driven your first line bantam A team out of town - and for what? a chance for the rodeo clown to get laughed at by his teammates?
InigoMontoya wrote:Next thing you know, you're sitting around the pool at a bantam tournament up north, chuckling about the rodeo clown on the A team that is the board president's kid, and someone says, "We sure could use Billy that lives down the block, but has enrolled in the local private school this year." That's followed up with, "Remember Jimmy, that lead the peewees in scoring his first year, but his dad took a job in Lakeville?" Then, "Sam was a big defensemen on that team; I think they moved to Maple Grove." "I heard that this year's best defenseman's dad is transferring to the Chaska office." "Remember Jeff from squirts? He's tearing it up this year in Woodbury." "Yeah, Steve, the best athlete I've ever seen on a football or baseball field, played choice instead of playing with these guys." It then occurs to everyone that you've driven your first line bantam A team out of town - and for what? a chance for the rodeo clown to get laughed at by his teammates?
This happens in other places.....?
Leadership that leads talent out the door and are happy about it?
Outstanding description of what keeps some associations down.
Let's be honest...90% of the time it's a dad who thinks his kid is to good for the association. He open enrolls his kid to a neighboring school because dad thinks the hockey is better. Don't kid yourself, it's never about the education. This dad probably ruffled feathers inside his own association and most are happy to see the dad go (but sad the kid is leaving). This poor kid will grow up thinking hockey is more important than anything else. His neighbors will no longer be his teammates. His buddies for the past 3,4,5 years will stop calling him. The kid will get dropped off and picked up from school everyday by mom. But hey, he'll probably be a nice high school player one day. May even be all-conference his senior year.
My advice? Let your boy play with his buddies and his neighbors. If your son is half as good as you think he is, they will find him.
yesiplayedhockey wrote:Let's be honest...90% of the time it's a dad who thinks his kid is to good for the association. He open enrolls his kid to a neighboring school because dad thinks the hockey is better. Don't kid yourself, it's never about the education. This dad probably ruffled feathers inside his own association and most are happy to see the dad go (but sad the kid is leaving). This poor kid will grow up thinking hockey is more important than anything else. His neighbors will no longer be his teammates. His buddies for the past 3,4,5 years will stop calling him. The kid will get dropped off and picked up from school everyday by mom. But hey, he'll probably be a nice high school player one day. May even be all-conference his senior year.
My advice? Let your boy play with his buddies and his neighbors. If your son is half as good as you think he is, they will find him.
The kids/families that I've seen leave were sick of the coach's kid being on the ice non stop as a second liner. Also add in the kids that don't make the cut at a lower end association and then make prominent asssociation's AA teams when they leave... Gotta have room for the president's kid, right?
How about coaches lining up ice time/camps for their kids and a select few groupie's kids that they feel should make their A team?
This is the association that I'd love to see do well, but it's not possible with the current regime. (Some improvements have been made)
Is it possible for the president to have the best interest of the kids in the association when he commits adultery with their moms?
yesiplayedhockey wrote:Let's be honest...90% of the time it's a dad who thinks his kid is to good for the association. He open enrolls his kid to a neighboring school because dad thinks the hockey is better. Don't kid yourself, it's never about the education. This dad probably ruffled feathers inside his own association and most are happy to see the dad go (but sad the kid is leaving). This poor kid will grow up thinking hockey is more important than anything else. His neighbors will no longer be his teammates. His buddies for the past 3,4,5 years will stop calling him. The kid will get dropped off and picked up from school everyday by mom. But hey, he'll probably be a nice high school player one day. May even be all-conference his senior year.
My advice? Let your boy play with his buddies and his neighbors. If your son is half as good as you think he is, they will find him.
The kids/families that I've seen leave were sick of the coach's kid being on the ice non stop as a second liner. Also add in the kids that don't make the cut at a lower end association and then make prominent asssociation's AA teams when they leave... Gotta have room for the president's kid, right?
How about coaches lining up ice time/camps for their kids and a select few groupie's kids that they feel should make their A team?
This is the association that I'd love to see do well, but it's not possible with the current regime. (Some improvements have been made)
Is it possible for the president to have the best interest of the kids in the association when he commits adultery with their moms?
Well that's a Biden towards open enrollment if I ever heard one....please share.
Have to give the guy some credit for working himself into a position powerful enough to strategically arranging the squirt and peewee teams to have away tourneys in opposite directions.
yesiplayedhockey wrote:Let's be honest...90% of the time it's a dad who thinks his kid is to good for the association. He open enrolls his kid to a neighboring school because dad thinks the hockey is better. Don't kid yourself, it's never about the education. This dad probably ruffled feathers inside his own association and most are happy to see the dad go (but sad the kid is leaving). This poor kid will grow up thinking hockey is more important than anything else. His neighbors will no longer be his teammates. His buddies for the past 3,4,5 years will stop calling him. The kid will get dropped off and picked up from school everyday by mom. But hey, he'll probably be a nice high school player one day. May even be all-conference his senior year.
My advice? Let your boy play with his buddies and his neighbors. If your son is half as good as you think he is, they will find him.
The kids/families that I've seen leave were sick of the coach's kid being on the ice non stop as a second liner. Also add in the kids that don't make the cut at a lower end association and then make prominent asssociation's AA teams when they leave... Gotta have room for the president's kid, right?
How about coaches lining up ice time/camps for their kids and a select few groupie's kids that they feel should make their A team?
This is the association that I'd love to see do well, but it's not possible with the current regime. (Some improvements have been made)
Is it possible for the president to have the best interest of the kids in the association when he commits adultery with their moms?
Well that's a Biden towards open enrollment if I ever heard one....please share.
I've never considered running for office until now ... who knew?
Is it possible for the president to have the best interest of the kids in the association when he commits adultery with their moms?
Funny, I heard a story not far off from the above quote from my brother in-law who lives in Edina except it involved a AAA team split....one team travels to Canada yearly and the other now plays out of Braemar.
Group one is the "participation" group. They would prefer tryouts not exist. Just group the players by age and hope the coaches match lines. They are convinced that 80% of your assn is hyper competitive and will ruin the sport.
Group two is the actual hyper competitive group. These guys expect the coach to play to win at squirts because if you don't the kids will never learn life lessons and be failures for the rest of their lives. They are convinced that 80% of your assn are pussies.
Some how they both exist within the same organization. They see your assn through two different lenses.
old goalie85 wrote:Popcorn- That post deserves top ten consideration for the 2014 year !!! Outstanding.
10 Ten? Really?
Which are you, OG? One of the 80% of blindly naive parents that think their bantam's only thought on the way home from a game is whether he has a blue or red powerade? Or one of the 20% of raving lunatics banging on the glass shooting his own pretend arrow for each of the 7 goals his mite scores in a single shift of cross-ice?
I am the guy that knows these folks all coexist in the same assc. And many times I ve see those nutjob mite parents start to "get it" around pee-wee, and by the time johnny is a bantam they don't care what color powerade the kid wants.
So, you are not in one of the 2 distinct groups? Unfortunately, it isn't that black and white; parents can't be labeled and placed into nice little buckets. There is a whole spectrum from nutjob competitive to nutjob naive to nutjob apethetic. I would say a fair number of the parents you think "get it" have simply conceded, not that they were wrong, but that there is nothing to convince the others to be right.
I am a nutjob on multiple planes.
I think all kids should have an opportunity to participate if it's what they really want. I think it is the job of adults to make it possible.
I think if a kid really wants to participate he should work his butt off to be the best he can be, no matter his ability. I think it is the job of adults to make it possible.
I think that dishonorable adults really do work themselves into positions of authority to do dastardly deeds to other individuals or groups (including, but not limited to, the group "not my kid").
And many, many more...
bestpopcorn wrote:IM - I thought my post was in the top 10...
Maybe hard to communicate, but where do you fall? Do you have an opinion about the "state of hockey" today?
Does that make sense?
Good grief, another association bored member accepting personal top 10 status with no regard for children taking the open enrollment route. Why don't you enlighten all of us on the "state of hockey" or I will offer current news...associations are losing player numbers. Would you like it salted, buttered...or stay on the same plain path?
