CLASS A STATE TOURNAMENT SEEDING

the thrill · Post by **the thrill** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:36 am

With 7 of the slots accounted for, what does everyone think the seeds will play out like?

I think a lot still depends on who ends up winning the TG-Mahtomedi game tonight.

If TG wins, I see it like this:
#1 EGF
#2 Hermantown
#3 Cathedral
#4 TG
#5 NP

If Mahtomedi wins, I see it like this:
#1 EGF
#2 Hermantown
#3 Cathedral
#4 NP
#5 Luverne

What do you think?

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:34 am

Regarding the bottom half seeds >>> Spots 5 and 6 would where you may want to be if you want the best chance of reach the semis.

fastncrash · Post by **fastncrash** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:53 am

Marty wrote:Regarding the bottom half seeds >>> Spots 5 and 6 would where you may want to be if you want the best chance of reach the semis.

Toss all 8 in a bucket and pick pairs at random.

Seedings are a nice "Carrot" to work for throughout the season to get a good Playoff spot, but in my opinion, STATE should be an clean slate and random draw for ALL 8.

alumni52 · Post by **alumni52** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:59 am

fastncrash wrote:
Marty wrote:Regarding the bottom half seeds >>> Spots 5 and 6 would where you may want to be if you want the best chance of reach the semis.
Toss all 8 in a bucket and pick pairs at random.

Seedings are a nice "Carrot" to work for throughout the season to get a good Playoff spot, but in my opinion, STATE should be an clean slate and random draw for ALL 8.

I strongly disagree with this comment, do you really want an EGF and hermantown quarter final? no

You want the two best teams to have the chance to play eachother in the biggest possible game.

Thats like saying you want the Miami heat and Indiana pacers to play in the first round and walk through the rest of playoffs rather than playing in the eastern conference finals, that's absurd.

hshockeyfan53 · Post by **hshockeyfan53** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:00 pm

fastncrash wrote:
Marty wrote:Regarding the bottom half seeds >>> Spots 5 and 6 would where you may want to be if you want the best chance of reach the semis.
Toss all 8 in a bucket and pick pairs at random.

Seedings are a nice "Carrot" to work for throughout the season to get a good Playoff spot, but in my opinion, STATE should be an clean slate and random draw for ALL 8.

So you would want to see EGF and Hermantown play in the quarters? The seedings are what gives us the best chance for the best 2 teams to play for the state championship.

fastncrash · Post by **fastncrash** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:03 pm

alumni52 wrote:
fastncrash wrote:
Marty wrote:Regarding the bottom half seeds >>> Spots 5 and 6 would where you may want to be if you want the best chance of reach the semis.
Toss all 8 in a bucket and pick pairs at random.

Seedings are a nice "Carrot" to work for throughout the season to get a good Playoff spot, but in my opinion, STATE should be an clean slate and random draw for ALL 8.

I strongly disagree with this comment, do you really want an EGF and hermantown quarter final? no

You want the two best teams to have the chance to play eachother in the biggest possible game.

Thats like saying you want the Miami heat and Indiana pacers to play in the first round and walk through the rest of playoffs rather than playing in the eastern conference finals, that's absurd.

All in personal perception I guess. What I think is absurd is "Stacking" a system that helps to dictate the outcome...

I'm NOT against seeding for Playoff's, just think a random draw for the State Level would make it more interesting and WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY less Political.

mnmouth · Post by **mnmouth** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:05 pm

alumni52 wrote:I strongly disagree with this comment, do you really want an EGF and hermantown quarter final? no

You want the two best teams to have the chance to play eachother in the biggest possible game.

Thats like saying you want the Miami heat and Indiana pacers to play in the first round and walk through the rest of playoffs rather than playing in the eastern conference finals, that's absurd.

Not as absurd as discussing the NBA in a hockey forum.

Sorry, I see no good reason for the continued existence of the NBA.

fastncrash · Post by **fastncrash** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:09 pm

hshockeyfan53 wrote:
fastncrash wrote:
Marty wrote:Regarding the bottom half seeds >>> Spots 5 and 6 would where you may want to be if you want the best chance of reach the semis.
Toss all 8 in a bucket and pick pairs at random.

Seedings are a nice "Carrot" to work for throughout the season to get a good Playoff spot, but in my opinion, STATE should be an clean slate and random draw for ALL 8.
So you would want to see EGF and Hermantown play in the quarters? The seedings are what gives us the best chance for the best 2 teams to play for the state championship.

Give me an example of the last time the #1 and #2 regular season ranked teams in the NHL played for the Cup...?

Bleed Maroon and Gold · Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:11 pm

I have a hard to believing Luverne will not get the #4 at the lowest no matter what happens tonight. IMO I would find it hard to believe that a team that is 27-0-1 no matter who you play would not be a top 4 seed. Yes I agree they do not play the toughest schedule however it is hard to not lose a game for an entire season.

hshockeyfan53 · Post by **hshockeyfan53** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:18 pm

fastncrash wrote:
hshockeyfan53 wrote:
fastncrash wrote: Toss all 8 in a bucket and pick pairs at random.

Seedings are a nice "Carrot" to work for throughout the season to get a good Playoff spot, but in my opinion, STATE should be an clean slate and random draw for ALL 8.
So you would want to see EGF and Hermantown play in the quarters? The seedings are what gives us the best chance for the best 2 teams to play for the state championship.

Give me an example of the last time the #1 and #2 regular season ranked teams in the NHL played for the Cup...?

Respectfully speaking, this point is invalid because the NHL doesn't seed their teams off of a voting system. They go strictly off of points. If we went off of only the record in high school hockey then Luverne would be the #1 seed. You can't really compare the two.

the thrill · Post by **the thrill** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:22 pm

Bleed Maroon and Gold wrote:I have a hard to believing Luverne will not get the #4 at the lowest no matter what happens tonight. IMO I would find it hard to believe that a team that is 27-0-1 no matter who you play would not be a top 4 seed. Yes I agree they do not play the toughest schedule however it is hard to not lose a game for an entire season.

The question is will the coaches see it the same way? I think Luverne can hang with any team at state this year, except for maybe EGF and Hermantown. But we'll see next week!

hshockeyfan53 · Post by **hshockeyfan53** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:22 pm

hshockeyfan53 wrote:
fastncrash wrote:
hshockeyfan53 wrote: So you would want to see EGF and Hermantown play in the quarters? The seedings are what gives us the best chance for the best 2 teams to play for the state championship.

Give me an example of the last time the #1 and #2 regular season ranked teams in the NHL played for the Cup...?
Respectfully speaking, this point is invalid because the NHL doesn't seed their teams off of a voting system. They go strictly off of points. If we went off of only the record in high school hockey then Luverne would be the #1 seed. You can't really compare the two.

And before you use the LA Kings example from 2 years ago when they were the #8 seed and won the Cup, the 8 seed in the NHL and the 8 seed in Class A high school hockey are so much different I don't even know how to explain it. In the NHL, the best 8 teams make it. In high school hockey, the best 8 teams in the state do not make the state tourney.

hshockeyfan53 · Post by **hshockeyfan53** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:25 pm

I see it like this:

#1 EGF
#2 Hermantown
#3 Cathedral
#4 Totino or New Prague if Totino loses

pekyman · Post by **pekyman** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:27 pm

I see it like this.
If TG wins, then put them at 4 seed.

SEED LPH RANK
1........1......... EGF
2........2..........HERM
3........6..........NP
4........8..........MAHTOMEDI
5........12........ORONO
6........10........SCC
7........18........LUVERNE
8........UR.......CHISAGO

codemanh · Post by **codemanh** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:35 pm

As others have said, I don't see how you don't give Luverne at least a 4 seed. It doesn't matter who you're playing, if you go 27-0-1, you should get a seed, because that's impressive.

defense · Post by **defense** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:53 pm

I know that there is no way that Wadena's undefeated team would have been seeded if seeding was in play at the time.

pekyman · Post by **pekyman** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:05 pm

codemanh wrote:As others have said, I don't see how you don't give Luverne at least a 4 seed. It doesn't matter who you're playing, if you go 27-0-1, you should get a seed, because that's impressive.

Draw up your own seedings and put them where you think they belong!

curtiscurve · Post by **curtiscurve** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:13 pm

pekyman wrote:I see it like this.
If TG wins, then put them at 4 seed.

SEED LPH RANK
1........1......... EGF
2........2..........HERM
3........6..........NP
4........8..........MAHTOMEDI
5........12........ORONO
6........10........SCC
7........18........LUVERNE
8........UR.......CHISAGO

Cathedral beat New Prague and Totino Grace this year. They should get the 3 seed. It will be tough for Luverne to crack the top 5 even with a zero loss season (given their two biggest games were a win versus Kennedy and a tie vs St. Micheal Albertville).

Bleed Maroon and Gold · Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:14 pm

[quote="pekyman"][quote="codemanh"]As others have said, I don't see how you don't give Luverne at least a 4 seed. It doesn't matter who you're playing, if you go 27-0-1, you should get a seed, because that's impressive.[/quote]

Draw up your own seedings and put them where you think they belong! :)[/quote]

1 Hermantown
2 EGF
3 NP
4 Luverne
5 TG/Maht
6 Orono
7 SCC
8 Chisago

defense · Post by **defense** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:19 pm

do they seed 8 now?

Bleed Maroon and Gold · Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:21 pm

[quote="defense"]do they seed 8 now?[/quote]

No they do not but that is how I see it shaking out.

pekyman · Post by **pekyman** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:22 pm

Bleed Maroon and Gold wrote:
pekyman wrote:
codemanh wrote:As others have said, I don't see how you don't give Luverne at least a 4 seed. It doesn't matter who you're playing, if you go 27-0-1, you should get a seed, because that's impressive.
Draw up your own seedings and put them where you think they belong!
1 Hermantown
2 EGF
3 NP
4 Luverne
5 TG/Maht
6 Orono
7 SCC
8 Chisago

Very well could happen. I like it.

curtiscurve · Post by **curtiscurve** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:23 pm

defense wrote:do they seed 8 now?

They seed 1-5

Cootslayer · Post by **Cootslayer** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:23 pm

1 Hermantown
2 EGF
3 SCC
4 NP
5 TG/Maht
6 Orono
7 Luverne
8 Chisago

Hard to not see SCC at 3.

They beat NP, TG, and tied Orono.

NP beat a team with 25 wins twice this year.

Hockey2713 · Post by **Hockey2713** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:24 pm

Bleed Maroon and Gold wrote:
defense wrote:do they seed 8 now?
No they do not but that is how I see it shaking out.

Correct me if I am wrong but they seed 8. 4 plays 5 and its a random draw for 6,7,8 to play 1,2,3.

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