I like Eastview over Eagan tonight
BSM over CDH
Rosemount over Woodbury
And Apple Valley over Park.
Overall I think EV deserves the 1 seed in this section if they win tonight against Eagan and Thursday against Prior lake. If Driscoll and EVs defense hit their stride in this last week of the regular season I don't see anyone beating them in sections. If their offense doesn't dissapeer.
I also I would watch out for Rosemount during section play, great goalie when he's on and some players that can score.
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curtiscurve
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After looking into this section, I have concluded the seeds are pretty set for the top four. The bottom 6 could see some movement based on a couple of games. I see it playing out in the following way (justification for each seed included).
1 - Cretin-Derham Hall - I see them going 1-1 in the last 2 and finishing at 17-6-1 and 8-0 in section play. With a clean record in the section, I can't see a justification for placing anyone ahead of them.
2 - St. Thomas Academy - After wining their final 2 games, the Cadets will have a 18-6-1 record and 0-1 in the section. It is too bad there isn't more of a sample size for how they stack up to the rest of the section. Either way, I think they are a solid #2 seed based on their quality wins over Lakeville North, Hill Murray and Holy Family Catholic and the lack of a bad loss.
3 - Eastview - Even though I predict Eagan will beat them tonight, they will still have a split with the Wildcats along with a better record puls a nice win over Lakeville North. With a record of 18-6-1 and a 7-1-1 record in the section, The Lightning will receive the 3 seed.
4 - Eagan - As I stated about Eastview, I believe the Wildcats will pick up 2 wins to end the year 15-9-1 and 7-2-1 in the section. The Lakeville South loss and East Ridge tie is too much to overcome when making arguments for the 3 seed.
5 - Rosemount - I see the Irish going 1-1 (the win coming against Woodbury) in the final 2 games leaving them with a 8-15-2 record and 3-3-1 in the section. They have given some pretty good teams fits throughout the season, Eden Prairie 4-5 early on, Jefferson 2-2 a few weeks back and Eastview 1-1 just last week. They also went up to the Heritage Classic and beat Apple Valley, Denfeld and Cloquet to win the tournament.
6 - East Ridge - 2 non-section games left and I think they will drop them both for a season record of 9-15-1 and 6-4-1 in the section. They did pick up a tie with Eagan, but also had a bad loss to Eastview 2-7 and also lost to Woodbury.
7 - Woodbury - With 1 game to go against Rosemount, I see them dropping that one and leaving them with a 7-18 record and 3-9 in the section. Their win over East Ridge should propel them to the 7 seed seeing they split with Hastings but Hastings dose not have another quality win in the section.
8 - Hastings - Their remaining game is against Forest Lake. I believe they will lose that game and their record will finish at 10-13-2 and 3-7 in the section. Even with a slightly better record than some ahead of them, the quality of their wins just doesn't stack up.
9 - Apple Valley - The Eagles play Park and Eagan to end the year. I see them beating Park but losing to Eagan. The win over Park will put them firmly in the 9 seed with a 5-20 record and 2-7 in the section.
10 - Park of Cottage Grove - Two games left and as I just stated, I believe they will lose to Apple Valley (and Stillwater) leaving them with a 3-21-1 record and 1-8 in the section.
The semi-finals of this section should be very good. I think it will come down to 1 private and 1 public school in the finals. Just don't know which ones. Should be fun to watch it play out!
1 - Cretin-Derham Hall - I see them going 1-1 in the last 2 and finishing at 17-6-1 and 8-0 in section play. With a clean record in the section, I can't see a justification for placing anyone ahead of them.
2 - St. Thomas Academy - After wining their final 2 games, the Cadets will have a 18-6-1 record and 0-1 in the section. It is too bad there isn't more of a sample size for how they stack up to the rest of the section. Either way, I think they are a solid #2 seed based on their quality wins over Lakeville North, Hill Murray and Holy Family Catholic and the lack of a bad loss.
3 - Eastview - Even though I predict Eagan will beat them tonight, they will still have a split with the Wildcats along with a better record puls a nice win over Lakeville North. With a record of 18-6-1 and a 7-1-1 record in the section, The Lightning will receive the 3 seed.
4 - Eagan - As I stated about Eastview, I believe the Wildcats will pick up 2 wins to end the year 15-9-1 and 7-2-1 in the section. The Lakeville South loss and East Ridge tie is too much to overcome when making arguments for the 3 seed.
5 - Rosemount - I see the Irish going 1-1 (the win coming against Woodbury) in the final 2 games leaving them with a 8-15-2 record and 3-3-1 in the section. They have given some pretty good teams fits throughout the season, Eden Prairie 4-5 early on, Jefferson 2-2 a few weeks back and Eastview 1-1 just last week. They also went up to the Heritage Classic and beat Apple Valley, Denfeld and Cloquet to win the tournament.
6 - East Ridge - 2 non-section games left and I think they will drop them both for a season record of 9-15-1 and 6-4-1 in the section. They did pick up a tie with Eagan, but also had a bad loss to Eastview 2-7 and also lost to Woodbury.
7 - Woodbury - With 1 game to go against Rosemount, I see them dropping that one and leaving them with a 7-18 record and 3-9 in the section. Their win over East Ridge should propel them to the 7 seed seeing they split with Hastings but Hastings dose not have another quality win in the section.
8 - Hastings - Their remaining game is against Forest Lake. I believe they will lose that game and their record will finish at 10-13-2 and 3-7 in the section. Even with a slightly better record than some ahead of them, the quality of their wins just doesn't stack up.
9 - Apple Valley - The Eagles play Park and Eagan to end the year. I see them beating Park but losing to Eagan. The win over Park will put them firmly in the 9 seed with a 5-20 record and 2-7 in the section.
10 - Park of Cottage Grove - Two games left and as I just stated, I believe they will lose to Apple Valley (and Stillwater) leaving them with a 3-21-1 record and 1-8 in the section.
The semi-finals of this section should be very good. I think it will come down to 1 private and 1 public school in the finals. Just don't know which ones. Should be fun to watch it play out!
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Eagan 3HappyHockeyFan wrote:I think ya nailed it ... Go Cats !!
Eastview 2 (OT)
Mirror image the first match-up (in terms of score, if not outdoor ice location). Nice to finally be on the good side of one of these overtime/close games!
Intense, playoff-type atmosphere. The arena's new scoreboard control panel broke down during the second period, so the scorekeeper had to use his iPhone as the game clock, and periodically announced time remaining (doing a credible voice imitation of the horn at period's end). Fortunately, that snafu didn't affect the game (or perhaps that was by design, and not a coincidence that the refs didn't call any penalties when the scoreboard was dark). EV fans weren't happy with what they thought was a no-call mugging of a breakaway attempt before the OT goal was scored, but I heard that the video replay (courtesy of Eagan cable TV, their 3 cameras, and their production truck) backed up the refs.
With Lindgren and Driscoll on the ice, it's not a big surprise that all four regular time goals were either deflections off a defenseman, or pucks that fell into the laps of a forward after they were partially blocked by the defense.
CDH tie against BSM helps stem the slide into sections, and helps their case for a top seed. While karl and the computers all have the Raiders ranked behind the other three teams overall, the head-to-heads really help their case. And I suspect that the four coaches also believe what we've all been saying...that the top four are even enough for it not to really matter all that much how they are seeded. So I wouldn't predict a knock-down drag-out argument during the seed meeting (although I'd love to sit in and listen, just to confirm).
almostashappy wrote:Eagan 3HappyHockeyFan wrote:I think ya nailed it ... Go Cats !!
Eastview 2 (OT)
Mirror image the first match-up (in terms of score, if not outdoor ice location). Nice to finally be on the good side of one of these overtime/close games!
Intense, playoff-type atmosphere. The arena's new scoreboard control panel broke down during the second period, so the scorekeeper had to use his iPhone as the game clock, and periodically announced time remaining (doing a credible voice imitation of the horn at period's end). Fortunately, that snafu didn't affect the game (or perhaps that was by design, and not a coincidence that the refs didn't call any penalties when the scoreboard was dark). EV fans weren't happy with what they thought was a no-call mugging of a breakaway attempt before the OT goal was scored, but I heard that the video replay (courtesy of Eagan cable TV, their 3 cameras, and their production truck) backed up the refs.
With Lindgren and Driscoll on the ice, it's not a big surprise that all four regular time goals were either deflections off a defenseman, or pucks that fell into the laps of a forward after they were partially blocked by the defense.
CDH tie against BSM helps stem the slide into sections, and helps their case for a top seed. While karl and the computers all have the Raiders ranked behind the other three teams overall, the head-to-heads really help their case. And I suspect that the four coaches also believe what we've all been saying...that the top four are even enough for it not to really matter all that much how they are seeded. So I wouldn't predict a knock-down drag-out argument during the seed meeting (although I'd love to sit in and listen, just to confirm).
How does a video replay "back up" a judgement/opinion call?
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When it shows that it really wasn't the blatant mugging that the Eastview fans thought it to be. While the defenseman did reach in, it wasn't until two strides later that the forward fell to the ice. That said, he could have tripped over his own toe because he lost his balance from that earlier contact. So it was a judgement call that could have been justified either way.snyper12 wrote: How does a video replay "back up" a judgement/opinion call?
Unlike the incident in the third period, when Eastview's coach was able to plea bargain a two-minute 5 on 3 down to a four minute double-minor by arguing that the same kid committed both penalties. He didn't.
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Probably. But it's not whether two people looking at the same video would agree on the call..it's whether a slow-motion video replay from different cameral angles would cause the same person to reconsider what they thought they saw happen in real time. I, for example, was really surprised that the call wasn't made. Looking forward to seeing the replay for myself on tape-delay.snyper12 wrote:Senseless/Moot. Others would look at the same video and offer a different opinion.
That's why there's a difference in NFL games between "After review, the ruling on the field stands/is confirmed/is overturned." Right?
It's a judgement/opinion call or no call..... period. Typically not up for review. Last I checked we don't have instant replay in high school hockey.
How about this - post a link to the video/utube whatever.
If all the experts out there agree the refs made the right call I'll bow down to you as an expert hockey god..... If someone disagrees you admit that it was pretty stupid to even bring it up?
How about this - post a link to the video/utube whatever.
If all the experts out there agree the refs made the right call I'll bow down to you as an expert hockey god..... If someone disagrees you admit that it was pretty stupid to even bring it up?
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Does somebody need a hug?snyper12 wrote:It's a judgement/opinion call or no call..... period. Typically not up for review. Last I checked we don't have instant replay in high school hockey.
How about this - post a link to the video/utube whatever.
If all the experts out there agree the refs made the right call I'll bow down to you as an expert hockey god..... If someone disagrees you admit that it was pretty stupid to even bring it up?
I didn't say the call was up for review. I don't have the video to post. I said that I didn't even seen the replay, and I certainly never claimed to be an expert hockey god. What's stupid is you making such a big deal of it. I was only trying to give some (hopefully) informative and (mildly) entertaining context for any interested parties who weren't at the game last night. Chill out, dude.
No big deal to me - you brought it up - to me that makes it up for discussion. Just a dumb dumb comment IMO.almostashappy wrote:Does somebody need a hug?snyper12 wrote:It's a judgement/opinion call or no call..... period. Typically not up for review. Last I checked we don't have instant replay in high school hockey.
How about this - post a link to the video/utube whatever.
If all the experts out there agree the refs made the right call I'll bow down to you as an expert hockey god..... If someone disagrees you admit that it was pretty stupid to even bring it up?
I didn't say the call was up for review. I don't have the video to post. I said that I didn't even seen the replay, and I certainly never claimed to be an expert hockey god. What's stupid is you making such a big deal of it. I was only trying to give some (hopefully) informative and (mildly) entertaining context for any interested parties who weren't at the game last night. Chill out, dude.
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Just curious....what's the case for STA seeded higher than Eastview?Simpleton wrote:It would appear the Eagan win solidifies CDH/STA in top 2 spots and EV/Eagan in next 2. Question now is what order for each of the 2 groups? If 'how you finish' is more important than 'how you started' then STA could have an argument for #1 and Eagan for #3.
Obviously we'll know by Sunday...
- They could end up with identical won/loss records.
- Both have beaten Lakeville North.
- Eastview tied Rosemount, STA tied Holy Angels.
- Eastview lost twice to Burnsville, STA lost twice to....Breck?
- STA beat Hill, Eastview beat...Andover?
Of course, if you're talking who is #2 and who is #3, then the only real difference is last line change, or whether you like your home or road sweaters better.
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Could agree with curtiscurves rankings up top but lets flip Rosemount and East Ridge. For AlmostHappy you could look at the Prior Lake game where STA won and EV lost in there first attempt. EV gets another crack at the Lakers to close out the season so a W could muddle things again for this spot in 3AA but doesn't matter much between 2 & 3.
What's a wild fact is 7 of EVs games have gone to OT where they've been 4-2-1. Good experience in close games but that is alot of OT. Any other team have more then 7 OT games? One way to get more playing time since the MSHSL won't extend the # of games in a season or lengthen periods I suppose.
What's a wild fact is 7 of EVs games have gone to OT where they've been 4-2-1. Good experience in close games but that is alot of OT. Any other team have more then 7 OT games? One way to get more playing time since the MSHSL won't extend the # of games in a season or lengthen periods I suppose.
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And here I thought that Eagan having 5 OT games was over the top (should've been six, but I won't say anything more about that LN game).Nuts&Bolts wrote: What's a wild fact is 7 of EVs games have gone to OT where they've been 4-2-1. Good experience in close games but that is alot of OT. Any other team have more then 7 OT games? One way to get more playing time since the MSHSL won't extend the # of games in a season or lengthen periods I suppose.
As a Wildcat fan, I like things much better this way...last year 3 of the last 4 regular season games were running time, and we might have been behind and pulled the goalie once all year. This is much better preparation for post-season play.
Good points...I could certainly be jumping the gun on STA ahead of EV. The more recent Hill victory for STA and Rosemount tie/Eagan loss for EV are what lean me towards STA but it could fall either way.almostashappy wrote:Just curious....what's the case for STA seeded higher than Eastview?Simpleton wrote:It would appear the Eagan win solidifies CDH/STA in top 2 spots and EV/Eagan in next 2. Question now is what order for each of the 2 groups? If 'how you finish' is more important than 'how you started' then STA could have an argument for #1 and Eagan for #3.
Obviously we'll know by Sunday...
- They could end up with identical won/loss records.
- Both have beaten Lakeville North.
- Eastview tied Rosemount, STA tied Holy Angels.
- Eastview lost twice to Burnsville, STA lost twice to....Breck?
- STA beat Hill, Eastview beat...Andover?
Of course, if you're talking who is #2 and who is #3, then the only real difference is last line change, or whether you like your home or road sweaters better.
My thoughts on the EV Eagan game last night was that EV took it to Eagan in the first if it wasn't for a deflection off of an EV defenseman for Eagans 1st goal. The second however Eagan took it to EV and the third was a wash with both teams having chances.
Being an EV fan as much as I wanted them to win last night I almost think it was good for them to loose, letting them know what it will take to win the section and also giving them that much more motivation to beat them if they see them in sections.
As far as rankings I think if EV beats prior lake they should get 1 with prior lake taking down LAkeville North last night. From what I've heard LN was lucky it was only a 1 to 0 loss.
If that happens I think rankings go
EV
CDH/STA 2 and 3 doesn't matter
Eagan
Being an EV fan as much as I wanted them to win last night I almost think it was good for them to loose, letting them know what it will take to win the section and also giving them that much more motivation to beat them if they see them in sections.
As far as rankings I think if EV beats prior lake they should get 1 with prior lake taking down LAkeville North last night. From what I've heard LN was lucky it was only a 1 to 0 loss.
If that happens I think rankings go
EV
CDH/STA 2 and 3 doesn't matter
Eagan
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And if it wasn't for the deflected puck that bounced off an Eagan defenseman and fell into the EV forward's lap in the slot....Thevalley wrote:My thoughts on the EV Eagan game last night was that EV took it to Eagan in the first if it wasn't for a deflection off of an EV defenseman for Eagans 1st goal.
And if it wasn't for the partially blocked shot from the point during a power play that trickled thru the Eagan kid's legs into the slot, where a EV forward one-timed it.......
almostashappy wrote:And if it wasn't for the deflected puck that bounced off an Eagan defenseman and fell into the EV forward's lap in the slot....Thevalley wrote:My thoughts on the EV Eagan game last night was that EV took it to Eagan in the first if it wasn't for a deflection off of an EV defenseman for Eagans 1st goal.
And if it wasn't for the partially blocked shot from the point during a power play that trickled thru the Eagan kid's legs into the slot, where a EV forward one-timed it.......
I'll give you the one that happened on the power play, the second goal. But I remember the first goal being a 2 on 1 for EV and the player on the wall faked the slap shot and sent it across for the player in the middle to one time... Just what I saw when watching the game last night...
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Personally, I could care less what seed St Thomas gets; I like their away jerseys better and since their section was announced I have been hoping to see them play against CDH and Driscoll. I think the crowd would be much bigger against CDH in the finals than the semis (though that's immaterial to seeding).almostashappy wrote:Just curious....what's the case for STA seeded higher than Eastview?Simpleton wrote:It would appear the Eagan win solidifies CDH/STA in top 2 spots and EV/Eagan in next 2. Question now is what order for each of the 2 groups? If 'how you finish' is more important than 'how you started' then STA could have an argument for #1 and Eagan for #3.
Obviously we'll know by Sunday...
- They could end up with identical won/loss records.
- Both have beaten Lakeville North.
- Eastview tied Rosemount, STA tied Holy Angels.
- Eastview lost twice to Burnsville, STA lost twice to....Breck?
- STA beat Hill, Eastview beat...Andover?
Of course, if you're talking who is #2 and who is #3, then the only real difference is last line change, or whether you like your home or road sweaters better.
That being said, even with the bullets you pointed out which are clearly cherry picked, I'm very curious how one walks away from even those bullets with "Eastview is definitely better than St Thomas."
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This Section really can't be discussed until the top 4 make it through game 1 and get to the semi's. CDH is fully capable of losing to anyone(see Apple Valley 12'). Eastview and Eagan are both driven by stellar goaltending and D. STA has the best forward in the Section that can win all by himself. IF things playsout with these 4 playing..it doesn't matter who plays who, the semi-finals are going to be worth the price of admission. The section winner will likely be unseeded and get a date with destiny against a top 3 team
Break out some instant replay.almostashappy wrote:And if it wasn't for the deflected puck that bounced off an Eagan defenseman and fell into the EV forward's lap in the slot....Thevalley wrote:My thoughts on the EV Eagan game last night was that EV took it to Eagan in the first if it wasn't for a deflection off of an EV defenseman for Eagans 1st goal.
And if it wasn't for the partially blocked shot from the point during a power play that trickled thru the Eagan kid's legs into the slot, where a EV forward one-timed it.......
If Eagan makes it to the section final it will just be another beat down like last year.