Duluth Marshall vs Hermantown, 1/2/14

TheInsider · Post by **TheInsider** » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:17 am

A big section 7A matchup. Who do you guys got. Htown by 2.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:20 am

For those that do not know, Hermantown are the Hawks; Duluth 'Cathedral' are the Hill'Toppers'.

Since my nephew is in the Hermantown youth program and my best friend lives in Hermantown; Hawks by 3.

Traxler · Post by **Traxler** » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:38 am

I think the Hawks will win it in OT 4-3.

TheInsider · Post by **TheInsider** » Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:34 am

Hermantown might have a little more top end talent.

Winter is Coming · Post by **Winter is Coming** » Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:12 am

TheInsider wrote:Hermantown might have a little more top end talent.

They might have a little higher top end but their depth drops off I think at D and after that first line. If Marshall can handle the first period or so I think they will be OK once Hermantown's kids get a little tired. Marshall likes that rough and tumble style where as Hermantown is more of a speed team this year which plays to Marshall's body work helping them out. I have seen both play a few times this year and both teams seem to have hot and cold goaltending as well which is going to be a factor. A close game either way that will have a good crowd from both schools there. Coin toss.

NLHockey · Post by **NLHockey** » Thu Jan 02, 2014 12:03 pm

Winter is Coming wrote:
TheInsider wrote:Hermantown might have a little more top end talent.
They might have a little higher top end but their depth drops off I think at D and after that first line. If Marshall can handle the first period or so I think they will be OK once Hermantown's kids get a little tired. Marshall likes that rough and tumble style where as Hermantown is more of a speed team this year which plays to Marshall's body work helping them out. I have seen both play a few times this year and both teams seem to have hot and cold goaltending as well which is going to be a factor. A close game either way that will have a good crowd from both schools there. Coin toss.

I agree. If they can survive the initial onslaught with the Hawks..(they come out smothering and relentless and overwhelm opponents early, rocking them back on their heels).....Marshall will have a shot. Marshall is well aware of where Hermantown's weaknesses lie, but can they capitalize?

TheInsider · Post by **TheInsider** » Thu Jan 02, 2014 12:49 pm

NLHockey wrote:
Winter is Coming wrote:
TheInsider wrote:Hermantown might have a little more top end talent.
They might have a little higher top end but their depth drops off I think at D and after that first line. If Marshall can handle the first period or so I think they will be OK once Hermantown's kids get a little tired. Marshall likes that rough and tumble style where as Hermantown is more of a speed team this year which plays to Marshall's body work helping them out. I have seen both play a few times this year and both teams seem to have hot and cold goaltending as well which is going to be a factor. A close game either way that will have a good crowd from both schools there. Coin toss.
I agree. If they can survive the initial onslaught with the Hawks..(they come out smothering and relentless and overwhelm opponents early, rocking them back on their heels).....Marshall will have a shot. Marshall is well aware of where Hermantown's weaknesses lie, but can they capitalize?

Cant say I agree with Marshall being a rough and tumble team. They are pretty undersized but fairly skilled. While Hermantown works very very hard, as they do every single year.

Winter is Coming · Post by **Winter is Coming** » Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:53 pm

TheInsider wrote:
NLHockey wrote:
Winter is Coming wrote: They might have a little higher top end but their depth drops off I think at D and after that first line. If Marshall can handle the first period or so I think they will be OK once Hermantown's kids get a little tired. Marshall likes that rough and tumble style where as Hermantown is more of a speed team this year which plays to Marshall's body work helping them out. I have seen both play a few times this year and both teams seem to have hot and cold goaltending as well which is going to be a factor. A close game either way that will have a good crowd from both schools there. Coin toss.
I agree. If they can survive the initial onslaught with the Hawks..(they come out smothering and relentless and overwhelm opponents early, rocking them back on their heels).....Marshall will have a shot. Marshall is well aware of where Hermantown's weaknesses lie, but can they capitalize?
Cant say I agree with Marshall being a rough and tumble team. They are pretty undersized but fairly skilled. While Hermantown works very very hard, as they do every single year.

Undersized or not, the games that I saw them play they did a lot of hitting and were very eager to go into the corners for pucks. I did not really see Hermantown do that much hitting other than one of their D who seemed to get carried away after awhile and then get sent to the box for his troubles. I think that the key to this game for Marshall is going to be holding on for that initial period and then going after Hermantown to exploit their goal tending which is shakey at times. Like I said, a coin toss, leaning Marshall I think.

Slammer · Post by **Slammer** » Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:04 pm

I'm heading out to the game tonight, should be a great one. Could go either way, I'll call Marshall 5-3 on this one.

Slammer · Post by **Slammer** » Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:51 pm

Marshall up 1-0

pipersniper12 · Post by **pipersniper12** » Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:06 pm

1-1 after 1st.

This game is being broadcasted on My9.

shoot out · Post by **shoot out** » Thu Jan 02, 2014 9:04 pm

Hermantown 4
Marshall 1
Start 3rd

Hawkyfan70 · Post by **Hawkyfan70** » Thu Jan 02, 2014 9:56 pm

Hawks win 6-2

Post by **karl(east)** » Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:24 pm

I was only listening on the radio as I watched other games, but it seemed like the wheels fell off for DM after the little fight in the 2nd. The Toppers started well, but Hermantown gradually took control, exploded for a few goals after the fight, and cruised from there.

Big win for the Hawks, though if these two meet again in sections, I'd expect a closer game.

Winter is Coming · Post by **Winter is Coming** » Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:58 pm

Good win for the Hawks tonight. Marshall kept with them step for step until the fight in the second period. At that point Marshall's goalie lost his composure and allowed in a couple of goals that broke Marshall's back. They tried to come back a couple of times but it was pretty much a feeble attempt. I am still not sold on Hermantown. This is their first win against a team who was supposed to give them a game. They have gotten beaten pretty ugly by a couple of teams, snuck past a couple of teams that they probably should have blown out (Denfeld comes to mind) and crushed a few cupcake teams. All in all I think that this game shows more troubles for Marshall than it does positive for Hermantown. They (Marshall) are simply are not deep enough to send their skill players to the box and go into the penalty kill mode and survive. They have to get their emotions under control and not let players on the other team get under their skin and goad them into doing something dumb.

From what I have seen I think that Mankato West, EFG and Breck are better than Hermantown. Warroad, Marshall on a good goalie night, and possibly SCC are all pretty evenly matched with them.

The Jeckel and Hyde nature of Marshall's goal tending is going to be the key to that game come sections when these two meet to determine who goes south and who goes home. At that point Hermantown's trip back to state to try to become the Public School Champs for something like the 6th year in a row (or what ever the count is now) will be up to which Marshall team shows up to play, or doesn't show up.

Froggy Richards · Post by **Froggy Richards** » Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:08 pm

Winter is Coming wrote:Good win for the Hawks tonight. Marshall kept with them step for step until the fight in the second period. At that point Marshall's goalie lost his composure and allowed in a couple of goals that broke Marshall's back. They tried to come back a couple of times but it was pretty much a feeble attempt. I am still not sold on Hermantown. This is their first win against a team who was supposed to give them a game. They have gotten beaten pretty ugly by a couple of teams, snuck past a couple of teams that they probably should have blown out (Denfeld comes to mind) and crushed a few cupcake teams. All in all I think that this game shows more troubles for Marshall than it does positive for Hermantown. They (Marshall) are simply are not deep enough to send their skill players to the box and go into the penalty kill mode and survive. They have to get their emotions under control and not let players on the other team get under their skin and goad them into doing something dumb.

From what I have seen I think that Mankato West, EFG and Breck are better than Hermantown. Warroad, Marshall on a good goalie night, and possibly SCC are all pretty evenly matched with them.

The Jeckel and Hyde nature of Marshall's goal tending is going to be the key to that game come sections when these two meet to determine who goes south and who goes home. At that point Hermantown's trip back to state to try to become the Public School Champs for something like the 6th year in a row (or what ever the count is now) will be up to which Marshall team shows up to play, or doesn't show up.

Hermantown might have lost to all the Public Schools that St. Thomas beat to get to the title game. Can't call them the Public School Champs.

Nevertoomuchhockey · Post by **Nevertoomuchhockey** » Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:13 am

What grade is the Marshall goalie?

Thx for the updates. Hope you Duluthians can provide the same for the East game!

NLHockey · Post by **NLHockey** » Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:05 am

Nevertoomuchhockey wrote:What grade is the Marshall goalie?

Thx for the updates. Hope you Duluthians can provide the same for the East game!

11th grade; was highly touted and played varsity for Silver Bay as 8th grader. I think this is his second year at Marshall. Will need to adjust to going from never expected to win a game to being "the guy".

HawkeyPower · Post by **HawkeyPower** » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:57 pm

Winter is Coming wrote:Good win for the Hawks tonight. Marshall kept with them step for step until the fight in the second period. At that point Marshall's goalie lost his composure and allowed in a couple of goals that broke Marshall's back. They tried to come back a couple of times but it was pretty much a feeble attempt. I am still not sold on Hermantown. This is their first win against a team who was supposed to give them a game. They have gotten beaten pretty ugly by a couple of teams, snuck past a couple of teams that they probably should have blown out (Denfeld comes to mind) and crushed a few cupcake teams. All in all I think that this game shows more troubles for Marshall than it does positive for Hermantown. They (Marshall) are simply are not deep enough to send their skill players to the box and go into the penalty kill mode and survive. They have to get their emotions under control and not let players on the other team get under their skin and goad them into doing something dumb.

From what I have seen I think that Mankato West, EFG and Breck are better than Hermantown. Warroad, Marshall on a good goalie night, and possibly SCC are all pretty evenly matched with them.

The Jeckel and Hyde nature of Marshall's goal tending is going to be the key to that game come sections when these two meet to determine who goes south and who goes home. At that point Hermantown's trip back to state to try to become the Public School Champs for something like the 6th year in a row (or what ever the count is now) will be up to which Marshall team shows up to play, or doesn't show up.

I find it interesting that everyone keeps saying that Hermantown has" gotten beat twice pretty ugly". Their first loss was the season opener to Wayzata in which Wayzata was playing their fourth game of the year. Their second loss was to Eagan in which after 2 periods the score was tied and shots were 22-21 in favor of Eagan. They had 4 minutes in which they would like to have back. Give credit to Eagan.
As for the Marshall game, Marshall came out and took it to them for the first 10 minutes. After one period Marshall gave everything they had and were only tied (even with 2 pp). Flaherty admitted that their team has Hermantown in their head and has lost now 7 games in a row to the Hawks. Hermantown weathered the storm and played their game. Murrays play had nothing to do with the scrum in front of the net. Anyone who has watched him play knows that he can shut you down or make things interesting. My concern for Marshall would be more with their D then with the goalie. Murray left some juicy rebounds, but no one was there to help him out. Marshalls forwards can play with anyone but they will need help from their D to get deep into the playoffs.
As for Breck, EGF and West, if everyone makes it to State will be the only time we will see who is better than who. Anything else is conjecture.
As far as Hermantown this year is concerned, it is not your normal Hermantown team, but they keep winning and that is all that matters.Hermantowns schedule gets tougher now and that should make things a little more clear.
I said it earlier in the year but you have Breck at#1, Egf at #2 and Hermantown at #3. The rest you can mix up any way you want and have a argument.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:19 am

HawkeyPower wrote:I find it interesting that everyone keeps saying that Hermantown has" gotten beat twice pretty ugly". Their first loss was the season opener to Wayzata in which Wayzata was playing their fourth game of the year. Their second loss was to Eagan in which after 2 periods the score was tied and shots were 22-21 in favor of Eagan. They had 4 minutes in which they would like to have back. Give credit to Eagan.

I don't think "everyone" is talking about these two losses, or that they got "beat pretty ugly." What most have said (like karl, along with my opinion) is that their losses against the AA teams they've played, on paper, are much worse than others in Class A.

Before the holiday break, we just had a 6-1 loss to Wayzata. Now we also have a 4-1 loss to Eagan.
-EGF beat Blaine 3-1. (Also shut out Totino)
-Breck tied Holy Family and beat Holy Angels.
-Warroad lost 5-3 to Rapids and 4-3 to Bemidji.
-DM beat Rapids 6-4 and lost to Benilde in OT in a game they were winning.

If you throw in their come from behind win over Denfeld, what has Hermantown done this season to make themselves look any better than any of the above teams until last night?

HawkeyPower wrote:As far as Hermantown this year is concerned, it is not your normal Hermantown team, but they keep winning and that is all that matters.Hermantowns schedule gets tougher now and that should make things a little more clear.

What do you mean by normal? You are right in that now their schedule does have some better teams on it and they do have the opportunity to rise in the rankings, but they could stay out of the top 3 if those above them take care of business as well.

HawkeyPower wrote:I said it earlier in the year but you have Breck at#1, Egf at #2 and Hermantown at #3. The rest you can mix up any way you want and have a argument.

They were the preseason #1 in most polls and have dropped from that spot in all polls, yet no fans have been on here claiming they should be ranked ahead of everyone else, unlike the past couple years. You aren't even suggesting they should be top 2.

They are clearly a top 5 team right now and the next few weeks will tell us where they should be, but right around 5 or 6 seems about right for now. It is definitely unfortunate that they don't play any of the other teams LPH has in the top 6 for the rest of the season.

HawkeyPower · Post by **HawkeyPower** » Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:05 am

HShockeywatcher wrote:
HawkeyPower wrote:I find it interesting that everyone keeps saying that Hermantown has" gotten beat twice pretty ugly". Their first loss was the season opener to Wayzata in which Wayzata was playing their fourth game of the year. Their second loss was to Eagan in which after 2 periods the score was tied and shots were 22-21 in favor of Eagan. They had 4 minutes in which they would like to have back. Give credit to Eagan.
I don't think "everyone" is talking about these two losses, or that they got "beat pretty ugly." What most have said (like karl, along with my opinion) is that their losses against the AA teams they've played, on paper, are much worse than others in Class A.
Seem to remember a few of the same comments. Not going to look back and find them, not a big deal. Just was wondering how they seemed to be considered bad losses.
Before the holiday break, we just had a 6-1 loss to Wayzata. Now we also have a 4-1 loss to Eagan.
-EGF beat Blaine 3-1. (Also shut out Totino) No complaints
-Breck tied Holy Family and beat Holy Angels. No complaints
-Warroad lost 5-3 to Rapids and 4-3 to Bemidji. No complaints
-DM beat Rapids 6-4 and lost to Benilde in OT in a game they were winning.
5-2 loss to Appolo, 2-1 loss to Superior. Failed to recognize them.
If you throw in their come from behind win over Denfeld, what has Hermantown done this season to make themselves look any better than any of the above teams until last night? They have not loss to a inferior team. See Marshall statement. So the only way to look better is to beat or play well against a AA team, despite losing to A teams that are ranked far below you.

HawkeyPower wrote:As far as Hermantown this year is concerned, it is not your normal Hermantown team, but they keep winning and that is all that matters.Hermantowns schedule gets tougher now and that should make things a little more clear.
What do you mean by normal? They don't have a D1 prospect on the ice this year. Their best palyer left for Juniors. They don't have the high scoring "Diaper Line" that played 3 years on varsity. They lost their top 4 defensemen. They returned their starting goalies from last year. You are right in that now their schedule does have some better teams on it and they do have the opportunity to rise in the rankings, but they could stay out of the top 3 if those above them take care of business as well. You put some in italics? For what reason. Your #2 team has New Prague coming up. Hermantown has White Bear, Brainerd, Bemidji , Grand Rapids, Cloquet, TG, SCC and also New Prague. Lets look up West's schedule.

HawkeyPower wrote:I said it earlier in the year but you have Breck at#1, Egf at #2 and Hermantown at #3. The rest you can mix up any way you want and have a argument.
They were the preseason #1 in most polls and have dropped from that spot in all polls, yet no fans have been on here claiming they should be ranked ahead of everyone else, unlike the past couple years. You aren't even suggesting they should be top 2.
Inever have suggested they belong at 2 So what? What does that have to do with anything?. And the preseason rankings were done by people that obviously didn't have the time or were too lazy to do any homework. LPH did a great job of breaking everyteam down and still put Hermantown at #1? All they had to do was read their own work and realize that they had it wrong.

They are clearly a top 5 team right now and the next few weeks will tell us where they should be, but right around 5 or 6 seems about right for now. It is definitely unfortunate that they don't play any of the other teams LPH has in the top 6 for the rest of the season.

I will disagree. As of yesterday LPH has Hermantown #2 , which I disagree. Again I would have them tied for 3rd with Warroad. I would also have Mahtomedi and Totino ahead of SCC.

Watcher I know you like back and forth banter with the rankings. My original post was nothing to do with rankings, but yet reverted back to that.

NLHockey · Post by **NLHockey** » Sat Jan 04, 2014 4:34 pm

HawkeyPower wrote: I find it interesting that everyone keeps saying that Hermantown has" gotten beat twice pretty ugly". It's ugly to lose when expectations are so high to begin with. Criticism goes with being a big fish in a small pond and having a target on your back. Their first loss was the season opener to Wayzata in which Wayzata was playing their fourth game of the year. Valid.

Their second loss was to Eagan in which after 2 periods the score was tied and shots were 22-21 in favor of Eagan. The same Eagan that tied 3-6-1 Eastridge less than 1 week later?

They had 4 minutes in which they would like to have back. In all fairness, like the 6 or so minutes in the second period that Marshall would like to have back? Give credit to Eagan. This is not last years Eagan team.

As far as Hermantown this year is concerned, it is not your normal Hermantown team, but they keep winning and that is all that matters. Hermantowns schedule gets tougher now (sink or swim time) and that should make things a little more clear. Yup. Props to Hermantown for this important win. They earned it. But in the end, will the ugliest loss of all be to another private school...and will it be in sections or at state?

HawkeyPower · Post by **HawkeyPower** » Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:48 pm

NLHockey wrote:
HawkeyPower wrote: I find it interesting that everyone keeps saying that Hermantown has" gotten beat twice pretty ugly". It's ugly to lose when expectations are so high to begin with. Criticism goes with being a big fish in a small pond and having a target on your back. Their first loss was the season opener to Wayzata in which Wayzata was playing their fourth game of the year. Valid.

Their second loss was to Eagan in which after 2 periods the score was tied and shots were 22-21 in favor of Eagan. The same Eagan that tied 3-6-1 Eastridge less than 1 week later?

They had 4 minutes in which they would like to have back. In all fairness, like the 6 or so minutes in the second period that Marshall would like to have back? Give credit to Eagan. This is not last years Eagan team.

As far as Hermantown this year is concerned, it is not your normal Hermantown team, but they keep winning and that is all that matters. Hermantowns schedule gets tougher now (sink or swim time) and that should make things a little more clear. Yup. Props to Hermantown for this important win. They earned it. But in the end, will the ugliest loss of all be to another private school...and will it be in sections or at state?

Criticism is fine.
Hermantowns expectations are to win a State Championship, not beat as many AA teams as they can. Although it would be nice.
Eagans team is different this year, but they beat Hermantown last year as well.
Or you can say the Eagan team that beat Edina 3 weeks earlier

Marshall may want the whole 2nd period back, but I don't know what that has to do with the Eagan game.
As far as the losses go for the end of the year ... time will tell!

pekyman · Post by **pekyman** » Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:50 pm

HawkeyPower wrote:
NLHockey wrote:
HawkeyPower wrote: I find it interesting that everyone keeps saying that Hermantown has" gotten beat twice pretty ugly". It's ugly to lose when expectations are so high to begin with. Criticism goes with being a big fish in a small pond and having a target on your back. Their first loss was the season opener to Wayzata in which Wayzata was playing their fourth game of the year. Valid.

Their second loss was to Eagan in which after 2 periods the score was tied and shots were 22-21 in favor of Eagan. The same Eagan that tied 3-6-1 Eastridge less than 1 week later?

They had 4 minutes in which they would like to have back. In all fairness, like the 6 or so minutes in the second period that Marshall would like to have back? Give credit to Eagan. This is not last years Eagan team.

As far as Hermantown this year is concerned, it is not your normal Hermantown team, but they keep winning and that is all that matters. Hermantowns schedule gets tougher now (sink or swim time) and that should make things a little more clear. Yup. Props to Hermantown for this important win. They earned it. But in the end, will the ugliest loss of all be to another private school...and will it be in sections or at state?
Criticism is fine.
Hermantowns expectations are to win a State Championship, not beat as many AA teams as they can. Although it would be nice.
Eagans team is different this year, but they beat Hermantown last year as well.
Or you can say the Eagan team that beat Edina 3 weeks earlier
Marshall may want the whole 2nd period back, but I don't know what that has to do with the Eagan game.
As far as the losses go for the end of the year ... time will tell!

Just to clarify, Eagan did not beat Hermantown last year. It was the Championship game in the Holiday tourney and it ended in a tie.
Somebody needed to "win" so there was a shoutout and Eagan won that.

NLHockey · Post by **NLHockey** » Sun Jan 05, 2014 2:23 pm

HawkeyPower wrote:
NLHockey wrote:
HawkeyPower wrote: I find it interesting that everyone keeps saying that Hermantown has" gotten beat twice pretty ugly". It's ugly to lose when expectations are so high to begin with. Criticism goes with being a big fish in a small pond and having a target on your back. Their first loss was the season opener to Wayzata in which Wayzata was playing their fourth game of the year. Valid.

Their second loss was to Eagan in which after 2 periods the score was tied and shots were 22-21 in favor of Eagan. The same Eagan that tied 3-6-1 Eastridge less than 1 week later?

They had 4 minutes in which they would like to have back. In all fairness, like the 6 or so minutes in the second period that Marshall would like to have back? Give credit to Eagan. This is not last years Eagan team.

As far as Hermantown this year is concerned, it is not your normal Hermantown team, but they keep winning and that is all that matters. Hermantowns schedule gets tougher now (sink or swim time) and that should make things a little more clear. Yup. Props to Hermantown for this important win. They earned it. But in the end, will the ugliest loss of all be to another private school...and will it be in sections or at state?
Criticism is fine.
Hermantowns expectations are to win a State Championship, not beat as many AA teams as they can. Although it would be nice. Nice to see them playing a somewhat more difficult schedule this year. Would be nice to see some signature wins against high level competition
Eagans team is different this year, but they beat Hermantown last year as well.
Or you can say the Eagan team that beat Edina 3 weeks earlier Touche'
Marshall may want the whole 2nd period back, but I don't know what that has to do with the Eagan game. Nothing to do with the Eagan loss....Just pointing out the same could be said for Marshall's loss.

As far as the losses go for the end of the year ... time will tell! Thanks for the lively, civilized banter. Good luck to you this year. Your teams only get stronger from here looking back at their youth levels

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