Achiever

Knight7 · Post by **Knight7** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:59 pm

American- thanks for making my case. If you read all the words you will see I'm right. In a transfer public to public you need to reside in the new schools boundaries to be eligible. There is no word "PRIVATE" used in any of that bylaw 111, only public. Private schools have NO boundaries and therefore only need a change of address, ie... across the street is sufficient.

You and neighbor can sell your houses to each other for a $1.00 and they can technically move into each others house with a bona fide change of address that would be recognized by the MSHSL.

My understanding AA is a PRIVATE school not public.

BOARD POLICY DEFINITIONS FOR BYLAW 111
1. Change of Residence. A change of residence is the actual physical relocation by the parents or guardians of a student with the intent to reside indefinitely at a new residence in Minnesota and terminate all occupancy of a previous residence. The change in residence must be bona fide, include other minor siblings and involve a transfer from one public school district attendance area to another public school district attendance area.
2. For purposes of eligibility determinations, the residence of a student shall be the bona fide location of the residence and must include occupancy by the students’ parents or guardians in the public school attendance area. Both parents, except as otherwise provided herein, must physically reside at the residence on a regular basis for the duration of the student’s enrollment.[

SECoach · Post by **SECoach** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 4:42 pm

Knight7 wrote:American- thanks for making my case. If you read all the words you will see I'm right. In a transfer public to public you need to reside in the new schools boundaries to be eligible. There is no word "PRIVATE" used in any of that bylaw 111, only public. Private schools have NO boundaries and therefore only need a change of address, ie... across the street is sufficient.

You and neighbor can sell your houses to each other for a $1.00 and they can technically move into each others house with a bona fide change of address that would be recognized by the MSHSL.

My understanding AA is a PRIVATE school not public.

BOARD POLICY DEFINITIONS FOR BYLAW 111
1. Change of Residence. A change of residence is the actual physical relocation by the parents or guardians of a student with the intent to reside indefinitely at a new residence in Minnesota and terminate all occupancy of a previous residence. The change in residence must be bona fide, include other minor siblings and involve a transfer from one public school district attendance area to another public school district attendance area.
2. For purposes of eligibility determinations, the residence of a student shall be the bona fide location of the residence and must include occupancy by the students’ parents or guardians in the public school attendance area. Both parents, except as otherwise provided herein, must physically reside at the residence on a regular basis for the duration of the student’s enrollment.[

A private school transfer must move to the public attendance boundary of the private school they will be attending to meet the residence requirements. For example the location of Hill Murray is in a public school attendance boundary. What ever that is, it applies to a transfer to Hill Murray.

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:00 pm

Basically- what every-one is saying is we need a public stae tourny/and a private state tourny.

Here we go again !!!!

AMERICAN · Post by **AMERICAN** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:01 pm

Knight7- You are wrong. BYLAW 111 just defines "change of residence" regardless of whether it is a private school transfer or a public school transfer. The public school reference contained in BYLAW 111 is just to define a geographical area that one needs to move from to another geographical area that one needs to move in to to qualify for eligibility in the new school regardless of whether it is private or public. Where do you find the standard you cite in the MSHSL rules?

SECoach · Post by **SECoach** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:42 pm

old goalie85 wrote:Basically- what every-one is saying is we need a public stae tourny/and a private state tourny. Here we go again !!!!

Not sure I've heard that at all. I know that all I am saying is that there are rules and everyone should have to follow them. I have not said anyone has or has not, simply that they are there and should be followed. I can't find where anyone else has said there should be separate tournaments in this thread. Maybe I missed that post, but I am not saying that at all. Transfer all you want. Meet the specified rules for varsity eligibility, or play JV for one calendar year. You are also allowed to play varsity at your previous school. Pretty simple.

Hard water fan · Post by **Hard water fan** » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:33 pm

Despite the rules being in place- lots of room for unchecked compliance too. Three years ago a player from Duluth transferred to Cloquet for his senior year. Mom and Dad rented an apartment in Cloquet while calling their "real" home in the city of Duluth a second cabin. Child #2, who was enrolled in the Duluth School system and played in the Duluth youth hockey program, received a waiver to play with their old Duluth team while staying in the Duluth school, due to the rule stating all siblings must comply, blahblah blah. Now in fairness to the family, they followed the rules by setting up a new residency and they felt the move was in the best interest of their son/family. Did they really move? No, but they followed enough of the interpretation to satisfy anyone who thought it was an illegal transfer. Given the circumstances, I probably would have done the same thing for my son. The question then becomes who checks on these situations? I don't think the MSHSL puts much credence in a citizen complaining. The complaint probably has to come from an opposing AD, Super, or something of that nature. Consequently, most of these situations occur without much fanfare. Bottom line is that it happens ALL the time, and I don't recall anyone ever getting probation or removed from a team in recent memory.

AMERICAN · Post by **AMERICAN** » Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:26 pm

Hard Water- I think that part of the problem is that some people either don't know the rule as outlined by the MSHSL or don't want to adhere to the rule. As you can see from this thread, there were some misconceptions on what constitutes a valid "change of residence" for both private and public transfers. The rule is clear. The facts such as the ones you detailed is what's interesting and should be the main focus of this thread. Under your fact senario, that would clearly be the type of transfer that would require sitting out a year of varsity sports. Either the MSHSL and schools can bury their heads in the sand, change the rule, or apply the rule. It really isn't that hard to do the check and as the Rule states it is the burden of the one changing schools to prove elgibility at the new school. Property Tax records probably would have shown the Duluth home was homesteaded and DQed this attempt. More examples from the troops like this one need to be voiced to the MSHSL if you want change to occur. Otherwise, let the free agency run rampant.

iceage · Post by **iceage** » Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:48 pm

AMERICAN wrote:Hard Water- I think that part of the problem is that some people either don't know the rule as outlined by the MSHSL or don't want to adhere to the rule. As you can see from this thread, there were some misconceptions on what constitutes a valid "change of residence" for both private and public transfers. The rule is clear. The facts such as the ones you detailed is what's interesting and should be the main focus of this thread. Under your fact senario, that would clearly be the type of transfer that would require sitting out a year of varsity sports. Either the MSHSL and schools can bury their heads in the sand, change the rule, or apply the rule. It really isn't that hard to do the check and as the Rule states it is the burden of the one changing schools to prove elgibility at the new school. Property Tax records probably would have shown the Duluth home was homesteaded and DQed this attempt. More examples from the troops like this one need to be voiced to the MSHSL if you want change to occur. Otherwise, let the free agency run rampant.

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It is not isolated to girl's ice hockey. It happens in all sports (Hopkins basketball transfers. EP football transfers, Apple Valley wrestling transfers. etc.). The bottom line is exposure and good athletes will gravitate to good programs.

Nevertoomuchhockey · Post by **Nevertoomuchhockey** » Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:49 pm

Cheaters never win.
Where is that Duluth to Cloquet transfer now???

royals dad · Post by **royals dad** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:28 am

Politics, emotions, and opinions aside, this is a dang good hockey team. They have speed and size. They were well prepared and well coached last night at Hopkins. Momentum shifted back and forth in what was a very close game. I would say from what I saw last night they might be the team to beat in class A right now. Might be that Hopkins still isn’t at its best yet but any way you look at it AA has 2 very solid front lines and their D were pretty poised. Goalie came up big a few times as well but a lot of pucks didn’t make it to the net. You could tell they are in good shape with how hard they skated in the 3rd. Like it or not I think there is a new power in class A this year, doubt they will be in class A for long.

AAA Dad · Post by **AAA Dad** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:06 am

royals dad wrote:Politics, emotions, and opinions aside, this is a dang good hockey team. They have speed and size. They were well prepared and well coached last night at Hopkins. Momentum shifted back and forth in what was a very close game. I would say from what I saw last night they might be the team to beat in class A right now. Might be that Hopkins still isn’t at its best yet but any way you look at it AA has 2 very solid front lines and their D were pretty poised. Goalie came up big a few times as well but a lot of pucks didn’t make it to the net. You could tell they are in good shape with how hard they skated in the 3rd. Like it or not I think there is a new power in class A this year, doubt they will be in class A for long.

Thanks for the nice words Royals Dad! You have got some incredible girls on your squad including your (soon to be at Boston College) goalie... I think everyone in the building last night enjoyed what turned out to be a great hockey game after a slow start for AA. Best of luck this year!

Rocketwrister · Post by **Rocketwrister** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:25 am

Nevertoomuchhockey wrote:Cheaters never win.
Where is that Duluth to Cloquet transfer now???

Tigers33 · Post by **Tigers33** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:20 am

Class A hockey? What's that?

imlisteningtothefnsong · Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:25 am

Nice one Tiger33!! I bet you have a real big truck and an even bigger watch!!

AAA Dad · Post by **AAA Dad** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:35 am

Tigers33 wrote:Class A hockey? What's that?

Tiger "A" hockey is a meaningless league of small meaningless schools with meaningless fans that is not recognized by "Big Shot AA" dudes like you!!!

Keep that nose in the air!!

Hard water fan · Post by **Hard water fan** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:13 pm

LOL Tiger! Typically your type of response only comes from those that played the flute or French horn in High School- but regardless, I'm curious- how will you feel when your daughter has to walk-on for a D3 school? Still be thumpin your chest?

Let us know when she signs her commitment papers!

pepperpot · Post by **pepperpot** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:30 pm

Tiger: Spoken like a true Twin Cidiot. What a retarded thing to say. Some of our best players come from small A schools. Can anyone honestly say that the best in A is any less than the best of AA?

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:03 am

Hard water fan wrote:LOL Tiger! Typically your type of response only comes from those that played the flute or French horn in High School- but regardless, I'm curious- how will you feel when your daughter has to walk-on for a D3 school? Still be thumpin your chest? Let us know when she signs her commitment papers!

You loose credibility with that type of answer.

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:03 am

AAA Dad wrote:
Tigers33 wrote:Class A hockey? What's that?
Tiger "A" hockey is a meaningless league of small meaningless schools with meaningless fans that is not recognized by "Big Shot AA" dudes like you!!!

Keep that nose in the air!!

fans - by that you mean parents ?

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:14 am

pepperpot wrote:Tiger: Spoken like a true Twin Cidiot. What a retarded thing to say. Some of our best players come from small A schools. Can anyone honestly say that the best in A is any less than the best of AA?

The AA schools and top 10 A schools kick out the vast majority of college players. Often a 3rd liner on a big school gets 'lost" where a first liner on a small A school playing in a round robin schedule against other smaller weak program schools loads up on points.

Many high caliber girls from A school districts run to private schools. Other high caliber girls from these weaker A schools probably develop more in the off season playing AAA hockey, FHIT, OS, etc.

All that said, if the girls are having fun playing HS hockey - what does it matter ?

Nevertoomuchhockey · Post by **Nevertoomuchhockey** » Wed Nov 20, 2013 11:27 am

Marty wrote:
AAA Dad wrote:
Tigers33 wrote:Class A hockey? What's that?
Tiger "A" hockey is a meaningless league of small meaningless schools with meaningless fans that is not recognized by "Big Shot AA" dudes like you!!!

Keep that nose in the air!!

fans - by that you mean parents ?

Marty - you lose your credibility with that kind of answer

Nevertoomuchhockey · Post by **Nevertoomuchhockey** » Wed Nov 20, 2013 11:28 am

"loose" not the same as "lose". Just saying...

AAA Dad · Post by **AAA Dad** » Wed Nov 20, 2013 11:31 am

Since this is an Achiever thread how about a score update.

Achiever over NWC last night 4-2 in Monticello.

Achiever was in control of this one 4-0 until the 3rd when from the start Achiever gave the end of the bench some valuable playing time like they usually do while NWC kept firing their top 2 lines (heavy on the 1st) which played with a lot of heart and resulted in 2 pretty bar down goals in the 3rd for NWC and only a couple shots on goal for Achiever. A lot of talent on both teams. 1st signature win for Achiever for sure.

MN_Bowhunter · Post by **MN_Bowhunter** » Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:00 pm

I did get a chance to see your squad play recently. Not many weaknesses on that team. I don't think there are many, if any, single A schools that can beat this team. The big double A schools will capitalize on your young goalie, though. She's talented but like all youngsters goes down too early, too often and has trouble controlling rebounds.

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:47 pm

MN_Bowhunter wrote:I don't think there are many, if any, single A schools that can beat this team.

Based on results to date I wouldn't argue this point. Have to admit I'm both surprised and impressed with what Achiever has already accomplished in their brief history, and they should only get better over the next few years.

And with #1A Warroad losing 4-1 to #16A East Grand Forks last night we should have a new No. 1 when the LPH rankings come out later today or tomorrow. Blake perhaps, then Red Wing? After that, it will probably be between Warroad, SSP and Breck. AA and EGF should both make big upward moves.

Again, congrats to AA on their fine start, and good luck the rest of the way.