YHH will cover Minnesota and National camps for players trying out for USA Hockey teams in the coming years. The first post in this series can be read at:
http://www.youthhockeyhub.com/the-selec ... the-stage/
YHH Coverage of Girls HP-15/16/17 Camps
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frederick61
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Just posted a second story on the girls select 15 summer camp. It can be read at:
http://www.youthhockeyhub.com/girls-sel ... fway-mark/
http://www.youthhockeyhub.com/girls-sel ... fway-mark/
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frederick61
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With the girls select 15 camp ending today, YHH did something different, we picked the players we thought were the top players at the camp. The post can be read at:
http://www.youthhockeyhub.com/yhhs-pick ... t-15-team/
http://www.youthhockeyhub.com/yhhs-pick ... t-15-team/
A team is not selected from this camp. Individual players are invited to attend USA Hockey National Camp. The number of players invited is based on an allocation to each USA Hockey district in the country (there are 12 districts) determined prior to the camp by USA Hockey. Different districts are allocated a different number of players. The players invited are then mixed amongst other players invited to form 6 teams. 1 goalie is allocated to each of the 12 USA Hockey districts. Your articles continue to present this incorrectly.frederick61 wrote:With the girls select 15 camp ending today, YHH did something different, we picked the players we thought were the top players at the camp. The post can be read at:
http://www.youthhockeyhub.com/yhhs-pick ... t-15-team/
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frederick61
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Don't you think that iit is hard to tell the top 20 or so 15 year old hockey players that they are the top twenty players on a "list", that these kids after all their work represent the "Minnesota List", After all an all state tourney team is a list; pro baseball has their golden glove team, and an all pro football team is a list as the NFL tries to do away with the game.SECoach wrote:A team is not selected from this camp. Individual players are invited to attend USA Hockey National Camp. The number of players invited is based on an allocation to each USA Hockey district in the country (there are 12 districts) determined prior to the camp by USA Hockey. Different districts are allocated a different number of players. The players invited are then mixed amongst other players invited to form 6 teams. 1 goalie is allocated to each of the 12 USA Hockey districts. Your articles continue to present this incorrectly.frederick61 wrote:With the girls select 15 camp ending today, YHH did something different, we picked the players we thought were the top players at the camp. The post can be read at:
http://www.youthhockeyhub.com/yhhs-pick ... t-15-team/
Why select goalies, defensive players, and forwards and call it a list. At YHH were think it is worthy of being called the best 15 year old hockey team Minnesota has to offer despite what happens at the national camp. We think it is better to be "non-Grinch like" and tell the players they made the best team. Sorry if you think that is misleading, YHH thinks that to do the other "steals Christmas".
I think it's misunderstood, and you shouldn't misrepresent it to further the misunderstanding. I do understand that you are here to misrepresent things in order to create clicks. I guess I'm here to be the Grinch as you say. However I don't think I did anything to take away from the accomplishments of the girls that played at the camp, or end up getting selected, whether they are on your "team" or not, but simply here to point out that you either don't do your research, or like to misrepresent. Would you call it a "team" if you were "reporting" on the Mid-Am District which is allocated 1 forward, 1 defense, and 1 goalie? Plain and simple, you write for clicks and will say and do anything for them, regardless of the effect it has on youth players, parents of youth players, and the game itself. You perpetuate what has become ugly in youth sports. I took no personal attack on you, simply pointed out what I felt was an error. I guess the gloves are off now.frederick61 wrote:Don't you think that iit is hard to tell the top 20 or so 15 year old hockey players that they are the top twenty players on a "list", that these kids after all their work represent the "Minnesota List", After all an all state tourney team is a list; pro baseball has their golden glove team, and an all pro football team is a list as the NFL tries to do away with the game.SECoach wrote:A team is not selected from this camp. Individual players are invited to attend USA Hockey National Camp. The number of players invited is based on an allocation to each USA Hockey district in the country (there are 12 districts) determined prior to the camp by USA Hockey. Different districts are allocated a different number of players. The players invited are then mixed amongst other players invited to form 6 teams. 1 goalie is allocated to each of the 12 USA Hockey districts. Your articles continue to present this incorrectly.frederick61 wrote:With the girls select 15 camp ending today, YHH did something different, we picked the players we thought were the top players at the camp. The post can be read at:
http://www.youthhockeyhub.com/yhhs-pick ... t-15-team/
Why select goalies, defensive players, and forwards and call it a list. At YHH were think it is worthy of being called the best 15 year old hockey team Minnesota has to offer despite what happens at the national camp. We think it is better to be "non-Grinch like" and tell the players they made the best team. Sorry if you think that is misleading, YHH thinks that to do the other "steals Christmas".
This process does enough to create animosity in and of itself. It is a necessary evil and there is much coaching and council that needs to be done to educate those involved on how the process works. Your so called reporting on it does nothing more than take advantage of misunderstandings and misinformation to ramp up emotions that are already too high. I can already see it now.....can you believe my daughter didn't make it to National Camp when Frederick the Pee Wee Expert said she was a top dog? These are kids playing sports and their parents are already on edge, which in turn puts the players on edge. I'm there and see it every single day. You feed off of that yet call me the Grinch. You are ruthless, tactless, and ridiculous. I'm not a "journalist" but how about inserting the words "Selections to USA Hockey National Camp" in place of "Team Minnesota", which does not exist? At least you would sound like you knew what you were talking about or at least have some clue about how things are put together.
Clearly you have absolutely no idea the pressure these families are under, or if you do, you feed off it like a vulture. Self imposed as it may be, you, and the publication you are associated with, do everything you can to take advantage of the situation. You are no different than what has become the countless number of organizations that feed off the irrational fervor in an effort to make a buck, or at least make a name for yourselves.
Bottom line is you misrepresent the facts in an effort to be create sensationalism. You should be so proud of yourself.
To say "YHH thinks to do otherwise steals Christmas" is easily solved. Let the "team", "list", or "players selected to USA Hockey National Camp" be released without you and YHH creating more drama about it than is necessary for anything other than to create clicks. That way Christmas happens when it should and kids don't come down to the tree and find that the gift they thought they were receiving has been replaced by a blog post that says "Well, at least Frederick the Pee Wee expert thought you should have been there.....I guess you got your gift stolen by some guy in a Reebok jacket" (by the way, that guy probably put in 100 hours and lost a lot of sleep to earn that $40.00 jacket). You keep getting clicks, and we will keep trying to help kids play the game despite how cooked up you keep wanting to get people. ( by the way, nice choice on the 4 year old mini mite player of the year)
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Here's the deal.
YHH can write whatever it wants. Period.
As for accuracy, yes, Fredrick's articles are sometimes not written using the exact USAH terminology. I think his point was to write what he thinks the top players he saw. I thought he did a great job of evaluating a lot of kids into a nicely written piece.
As for your other anonymous shots about our site (Mini Mite player of the year, PeeWee expert, etc)...well that's all they will ever be, anonymous.
YHH can write whatever it wants. Period.
As for accuracy, yes, Fredrick's articles are sometimes not written using the exact USAH terminology. I think his point was to write what he thinks the top players he saw. I thought he did a great job of evaluating a lot of kids into a nicely written piece.
As for your other anonymous shots about our site (Mini Mite player of the year, PeeWee expert, etc)...well that's all they will ever be, anonymous.
Yes, you surely can write whatever you want, just as the National Enquirer does, and I can surely challenge the accuracy of your writing and tell you what I think of your publication as I feel the urge. Fredrick can even pop a bolt and call me names when I point something out that I feel is not accurate.YouthHockeyHub wrote:Here's the deal.
YHH can write whatever it wants. Period.
As for accuracy, yes, Fredrick's articles are sometimes not written using the exact USAH terminology. I think his point was to write what he thinks the top players he saw. I thought he did a great job of evaluating a lot of kids into a nicely written piece.
As for your other anonymous shots about our site (Mini Mite player of the year, PeeWee expert, etc)...well that's all they will ever be, anonymous.
I will continue to take the position that I think your postings sadly feed into and perpetuate what is wrong with youth sports. You get to continue as you see fit and I get to comment on it. You drew first blood.
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frederick61
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I find it interesting that my calling the select 15 players a team and not a list invokes such anger and frustration.
Does use of the word “team” impact the players on the ice at St. Cloud? It should not. Most of the players should know what happens when they get to the national camp. The staff involved usually briefs the players on what to expect; Minnesota Hockey will conduct a special pre-training on ice 3-day event for the boys in the next few weeks.
There is something else going on because the response to the two short paragraphs I posted reflects anger and frustration and is an attack on the “messenger”.
Why? I don’t know. Others can decide.
But if the reader has followed my writing for the past 10 or so years, they know what I post is about the kids and what they do on the ice and I post things that encourage the players, parents, and volunteers from mites through the last years in high school to participate in Minnesota Hockey’s youth program.
But I am not afraid to point out what I think is foolish thinking though I never take personal shots at people. I question actions generally.
Girl’s hockey is dying quickly in other states and has slowed in Minnesota. So when Minnesota Hockey reps asked me (and YHH) to cover the girl’s selects I was happy to do so knowing I would spend 100 or hours to collect and write the stories just about the summer camp and spend much more time covering the follow on stories.
The reason I did it is that I felt that YHH stories about the boys hp program last year was a good thing and hoped that YHH stories about the girls selects would do the same for girls and would generate interest by providing via multiple stories over the next few months that could be built upon next year. By doing so I felt that YHH was being true to the girls who today are playing U10 hockey in Minnesota.
We would be pointing to each girl’s potential future and trying to get the message out to those U10 girls that it is worth the journey to play youth hockey.
So how the use of one word could generate such anger in this thread is a mystery. In the past years, I have been called just about every bad name in the book, so being called so now is not unusual. That does not bother me.
My only concern is that the anger and frustrated expressed here is part of the beliefs of those running the HP program. There is arrogance to that. But I don’t know the names of the authors and their affiliation. They can remain anonymous. They know me; I have never hidden at the arenas. But something tells me that the people running these programs are upset by what I have written. They should not be. That is disturbing.
Does use of the word “team” impact the players on the ice at St. Cloud? It should not. Most of the players should know what happens when they get to the national camp. The staff involved usually briefs the players on what to expect; Minnesota Hockey will conduct a special pre-training on ice 3-day event for the boys in the next few weeks.
There is something else going on because the response to the two short paragraphs I posted reflects anger and frustration and is an attack on the “messenger”.
Why? I don’t know. Others can decide.
But if the reader has followed my writing for the past 10 or so years, they know what I post is about the kids and what they do on the ice and I post things that encourage the players, parents, and volunteers from mites through the last years in high school to participate in Minnesota Hockey’s youth program.
But I am not afraid to point out what I think is foolish thinking though I never take personal shots at people. I question actions generally.
Girl’s hockey is dying quickly in other states and has slowed in Minnesota. So when Minnesota Hockey reps asked me (and YHH) to cover the girl’s selects I was happy to do so knowing I would spend 100 or hours to collect and write the stories just about the summer camp and spend much more time covering the follow on stories.
The reason I did it is that I felt that YHH stories about the boys hp program last year was a good thing and hoped that YHH stories about the girls selects would do the same for girls and would generate interest by providing via multiple stories over the next few months that could be built upon next year. By doing so I felt that YHH was being true to the girls who today are playing U10 hockey in Minnesota.
We would be pointing to each girl’s potential future and trying to get the message out to those U10 girls that it is worth the journey to play youth hockey.
So how the use of one word could generate such anger in this thread is a mystery. In the past years, I have been called just about every bad name in the book, so being called so now is not unusual. That does not bother me.
My only concern is that the anger and frustrated expressed here is part of the beliefs of those running the HP program. There is arrogance to that. But I don’t know the names of the authors and their affiliation. They can remain anonymous. They know me; I have never hidden at the arenas. But something tells me that the people running these programs are upset by what I have written. They should not be. That is disturbing.
First, your assumption that I am affiliated with the HP programs is not correct. I am however, familiar with how it operates.frederick61 wrote:I find it interesting that my calling the select 15 players a team and not a list invokes such anger and frustration.
Does use of the word “team” impact the players on the ice at St. Cloud? It should not. Most of the players should know what happens when they get to the national camp. The staff involved usually briefs the players on what to expect; Minnesota Hockey will conduct a special pre-training on ice 3-day event for the boys in the next few weeks.
There is something else going on because the response to the two short paragraphs I posted reflects anger and frustration and is an attack on the “messenger”.
Why? I don’t know. Others can decide.
But if the reader has followed my writing for the past 10 or so years, they know what I post is about the kids and what they do on the ice and I post things that encourage the players, parents, and volunteers from mites through the last years in high school to participate in Minnesota Hockey’s youth program.
But I am not afraid to point out what I think is foolish thinking though I never take personal shots at people. I question actions generally.
Girl’s hockey is dying quickly in other states and has slowed in Minnesota. So when Minnesota Hockey reps asked me (and YHH) to cover the girl’s selects I was happy to do so knowing I would spend 100 or hours to collect and write the stories just about the summer camp and spend much more time covering the follow on stories.
The reason I did it is that I felt that YHH stories about the boys hp program last year was a good thing and hoped that YHH stories about the girls selects would do the same for girls and would generate interest by providing via multiple stories over the next few months that could be built upon next year. By doing so I felt that YHH was being true to the girls who today are playing U10 hockey in Minnesota.
We would be pointing to each girl’s potential future and trying to get the message out to those U10 girls that it is worth the journey to play youth hockey.
So how the use of one word could generate such anger in this thread is a mystery. In the past years, I have been called just about every bad name in the book, so being called so now is not unusual. That does not bother me.
My only concern is that the anger and frustrated expressed here is part of the beliefs of those running the HP program. There is arrogance to that. But I don’t know the names of the authors and their affiliation. They can remain anonymous. They know me; I have never hidden at the arenas. But something tells me that the people running these programs are upset by what I have written. They should not be. That is disturbing.
Second, my first post simply pointed out, with not a drop of anger or frustration, that I felt you were in error in presenting the incorrect image that there is a team of players selected. How you determined from that post, that I am angry and frustrated that you used the word team is beyond me.
Your response to my post was to use a mean and green character The Grinch, and that I was somehow advocating that Christmas be stolen from these players. Quite defensive to a simple polite post.
My disagreement with YHH (and yes it's possible to disagree and not become angry) is the consistent promotion of things that I PERSONALLY feel create problems with youth sports. Rankings of very young teams.....announcing Players of the Year with very young players....and the list goes on....but basically feeding off of the parents need to compete by using their kids. I believe this hurts children's experience in youth sports. I get to think that. Just like you get to print whatever you like. My disagreement has nothing to do with the use of the word team. I simply pointed out something that I feel is being reported in error.
By the way, I find it hard to believe that your friends at MH asked you to rank and publish a list of players a day prior to them posting theirs. Not angry, just personally believe it's wrong.
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The U18 (17/16 year olds) camp is opening this weekend in St. Cloud. Just posted an article. It can be read at:
http://www.youthhockeyhub.com/usa-u18-girls-camp-opens/
http://www.youthhockeyhub.com/usa-u18-girls-camp-opens/
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Just posted the game stories from Friday at the U18 camp. The stories can be read at:
http://www.youthhockeyhub.com/usa-hocke ... rst-games/
http://www.youthhockeyhub.com/usa-hocke ... rst-games/
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Just posted the all-star game stories from the girls U18 NTDP camp that ended yesterday in St. Cloud.
http://www.youthhockeyhub.com/u18-ntpd-camp-ends/
http://www.youthhockeyhub.com/u18-ntpd-camp-ends/
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Just posted the last story on the St. Cloud girls camps held by Minnesota Hockey and USA Hockey in St. Cloud. It can be read at:
http://www.youthhockeyhub.com/girls-sel ... camp-ends/
http://www.youthhockeyhub.com/girls-sel ... camp-ends/