Edina Squirt A team, Who developed the players?

[greybeard58]

Never said he was born in Minnesota, father became CEO Northwest Airlines, TJ Oshe also was not born in Minnesota. You asked about Edina High school grads.

Bill D. Nyrop




Bill Nyrop was a solid all round defenceman who made smart decisions at both ends of the rink. He was a popular figure with his teammates and later became a reputable executive when he ran the Sunshine Hockey League.
Born in Washington, DC Nyrop moved to Minnesota as a boy and later starred in a number of high school sports. The solid rearguard was a key component when Edina won the State high school championship in 1969 and was runner-up the next year.
Beginning in 1970-71, Nyrop attended the University of Notre Dame for four years and was one of the top defensive specialists in the country while providing crisp passes on offense. After a fine sophomore year with the Fighting Irish in 1971-72, Nyrop was selected 66th overall by the Montreal Canadiens at the Amateur Draft.
After attending his first pro training camp in September, 1972, Nyrop emerged with greater confidence and was a dominant force his last two years at school. In 1973 he was voted on to the WCHA first all-star team and the NCAA west first all-American team. The next year the steady rearguard represented the US at the "B" Pool World Junior Championships.
Nyrop played with the stability of a seasoned veteran during his first pro season with the AHL's Nova Scotia Voyageurs in 1974-75. He continued in this role the next year and dressed for 19 games with the powerhouse Habs. Later that year he scored two points in five games and was a pillar on the blueline for Team USA at the inaugural Canada Cup tournament. Nyrop spent two years on the Montreal defence and helped the team win the Stanley Cup in 1977 and 1978. He and fellow American Rod Langway were underrated factors in support of the "big three" of Robinson, Lapointe and Savard.
After the 1977-78 season, Nyrop stepped away from the game to study law. His rights were traded by the Habs to the Minnesota North Stars in September, 1980 and he returned to the NHL a year later. Nyrop dressed for 42 games on the Stars blueline and two post-season contests when his team was upset by Chicago in the first round. He played briefly for Kolner Haie of the German league in 1982-83 before retiring for good.
The former NHLer set up his law practice then returned to hockey as the coach and owner of the Sunshine Hockey League's West Palm Beach Blaze. After guiding the club to three straight league championships, he sold his interest in the club due to failing health. A few months after being diagnosed with inoperable cancer, Nyrop passed away.

[SCBlueLiner]

I think this is an interesting subject worthy of discussion. My take is that kids in smaller associations, like Roseau and Moorhead, relative to large associations, like Edina, get individualized attention and opportunity. Basically, these smaller associations do not have the luxury of leaving any player behind, all of them are coached and brought up through the program. They coach what players they have.

Large associations can become a graveyard where kids are buried on the depth chart of 8, 9, or 10 teams. Could you imagine being an 11 yr old on a B2 team and looking at how far you have to climb to make the top team? It would be discouraging and the kid will probably end up quiting and doing something else because hockey is too expensive to continue to put the family resources into when a kid will have little/no shot at playing in high school.

Conversely, in the small association that same player would probably be on the A or B team, or only a rung or two from the top team. He'll get coached and brought along because the association can't afford to lose anybody. He'll be given time to develop his skill set and mature. When puberty hits and the real game of hockey starts he'll still be playing the game, then we can see what happens from there.

An argument could be made that some of the mega associations would benefit in the long term if they were broke up into smaller organizations. I believe it is similar to the argument that Herb brooks made for neighborhood hockey and that Lorne Grosso in Rochester is making for the Rochester feeder system in a recent Let's Play Hockey article. Maybe a compromise to breaking up the megas would be for them to be required to field a set number of A teams based on association size. That solution would also end the AA/A issue as there would be only A teams.

Only throwing thoughts out there for discussion and not really advocating anything in particular. That said, I am happy my son plays in a small association. He has opportunity to make the top teams now and I know that he will get the opportunity to play high school varsity someday.

[Bluewhitefan]

Reason for this???

Who cares. I'm not sure the majority- exception being Bo - would assert that the objective of a youth hockey association is to develop kids to make it to the NHL. Development is an objective in many associations' charters, but development for what? The next level, the A team, High School, D1? Edina likes to hang banners - agree or disagree whether this is important, but it's just an opinion. If the measuring stick is the NHL, then Edina lags behind, but I'm guessing the Spuds might like the idea of having a few more banners.

[blindref]

According to this table, ten NHL players from Minnesota were born in Edina.
That doesn't mean they grew up or lived there, but that's true for many other players.



NHL Players Born in Minnesota, United States

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1 Keith Hanson 1984 1984 D 25 0 2 2 -13 77 1957-04-26 Ada
2 Steve Alley 1980 1981 LW 15 3 3 6 -3 11 1953-12-29 Anoka
3 Dan Sexton 2010 2011 RW 88 13 19 32 -9 20 1987-04-29 Apple Valley
4 Mike Karakas 1936 1946 G 336 0 1 1 9 336 114 169 53 2.92 1911-12-12 Aurora
5 Keith Ballard 2006 2013 D 545 36 129 165 -3 549 1982-11-26 Baudette
6 Joe Motzko 2004 2009 RW 25 4 2 6 0 0 1980-03-14 Bemidji
7 Matt Hendricks 2009 2013 C 263 27 31 58 -12 365 1981-06-17 Blaine
8 Brandon Bochenski 2006 2010 RW 156 28 40 68 1 54 1982-04-04 Blaine
9 David Backes 2007 2013 C 494 132 168 300 40 663 1984-05-01 Blaine
10 Tim Harrer 1983 1983 RW 3 0 0 0 0 2 1957-05-10 Bloomington
11 Ryan Stoa 2010 2011 C 37 4 3 7 -7 20 1987-04-13 Bloomington
12 Dan Trebil 1997 2001 D 85 4 4 8 -3 32 1974-04-10 Bloomington
13 Mike Crowley 1998 2001 D 67 5 15 20 -26 44 1975-07-04 Bloomington
14 Tom Pederson 1993 1997 D 240 20 49 69 -36 142 1970-01-14 Bloomington
15 Ben Clymer 2000 2007 RW 438 52 77 129 -64 367 1978-04-11 Bloomington
16 Erik Johnson 2008 2013 D 329 27 104 131 -31 207 1988-03-21 Bloomington
17 Peter Mueller 2008 2013 C 297 63 97 160 -35 98 1988-04-14 Bloomington
18 Tom Gilbert 2007 2013 D 447 36 140 176 -44 132 1983-01-10 Bloomington
19 Mark Parrish 1999 2011 RW 722 216 171 387 -47 246 1977-02-02 Bloomington
20 Adam Hauser 2006 2006 G 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 .750 7.06 1980-05-27 Bovey
21 Todd Okerlund 1988 1988 RW 4 0 0 0 0 2 1964-09-06 Burnsville
22 J.T. Brown 2012 2012 RW 5 0 1 1 2 0 1990-07-02 Burnsville
23 Mike Lundin 2008 2013 D 252 4 32 36 -11 54 1984-09-24 Burnsville
24 Mike Antonovich 1976 1984 C 87 10 15 25 -27 37 1951-10-18 Calumet
25 Stu Bickel 2012 2013 D 67 0 9 9 0 157 1986-10-02 Chanhassen
26 Corey Millen 1990 1997 C 335 90 119 209 36 236 1964-03-30 Cloquet
27 Derek Plante 1994 2001 C 450 96 152 248 17 138 1971-01-17 Cloquet
28 Jamie Langenbrunner 1995 2013 RW 1109 243 420 663 62 837 1975-07-24 Cloquet
29 Ken Gernander 1996 2004 RW 12 2 3 5 -4 6 1969-06-30 Coleraine
30 Tim Bergland 1990 1994 RW 182 17 26 43 -22 75 1965-01-11 Crookston
31 Travis Richards 1995 1996 D 3 0 0 0 -1 2 1970-03-22 Crystal
32 Jim Watt 1974 1974 G 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 6.00 1950-05-11 Duluth
33 Rick Mrozik 2003 2003 C 2 0 0 0 0 0 1975-01-02 Duluth
34 Cade Fairchild 2012 2012 D 5 0 1 1 -1 0 1989-01-15 Duluth
35 Robb Stauber 1990 1995 G 62 0 2 2 0 22 62 21 23 9 .890 3.81 1967-11-25 Duluth
36 Phil Hoene 1973 1975 LW 37 2 4 6 -4 22 1949-03-15 Duluth
37 Mark Heaslip 1977 1979 RW 117 10 19 29 -10 110 1951-12-26 Duluth
38 Butch Williams 1974 1976 RW 108 14 35 49 -21 131 1952-09-11 Duluth
39 Stan Gilbertson 1972 1977 LW 428 85 89 174 -168 148 1944-10-29 Duluth
40 Dean Talafous 1975 1982 RW 497 104 154 258 -76 163 1953-08-25 Duluth
41 Sean Hill 1993 2008 D 876 62 236 298 -46 1008 1970-02-14 Duluth
42 Tommy Williams 1962 1976 RW 663 161 269 430 -104 177 1940-04-17 Duluth
43 Chad Rau 2012 2012 C 9 2 0 2 -1 0 1987-01-18 Eden Prairie
44 Nick Leddy 2011 2013 D 176 13 49 62 0 24 1991-03-20 Eden Prairie
45 Mike Farrell 2002 2004 RW 13 0 0 0 0 2 1978-10-20 Edina
46 Jeff Teal 1985 1985 RW 6 0 1 1 0 0 1960-05-30 Edina
47 Mike Lauen 1984 1984 RW 4 0 1 1 0 0 1961-02-09 Edina
48 Casey Hankinson 2001 2004 LW 18 0 1 1 -5 13 1976-05-08 Edina
49 Joe Finley 2012 2013 D 21 0 1 1 -8 32 1987-06-29 Edina
50 Brad DeFauw 2003 2003 LW 9 3 0 3 -2 2 1977-11-10 Edina
51 Ben Hankinson 1993 1995 RW 43 3 3 6 -3 45 1969-05-01 Edina
52 J.T. Wyman 2010 2013 RW 44 2 9 11 -2 8 1986-02-27 Edina
53 Craig Norwich 1980 1981 D 104 17 58 75 -6 60 1955-12-15 Edina
54 Jamie McBain 2010 2013 D 206 19 56 75 -9 48 1988-02-25 Edina
55 Nate Prosser 2010 2013 D 73 1 12 13 -11 69 1986-05-07 Elk River
56 Joel Otto 1985 1998 C 943 195 313 508 66 1934 1961-10-29 Elk River
57 Al Suomi 1937 1937 LW 5 0 0 0 0 1913-10-29 Eveleth
58 Sam LoPresti 1941 1942 G 74 0 0 0 0 74 30 38 6 3.13 1917-01-30 Eveleth
59 Frank Brimsek* 1939 1950 G 514 0 0 0 6 514 252 182 80 2.70 1915-09-26 Eveleth
60 Rudy Ahlin 1938 1938 LW 1 0 0 0 0 1908-12-13 Eveleth
61 Joe Papike 1941 1945 RW 20 3 3 6 4 1915-03-28 Eveleth
62 Aldo Palazzari 1944 1944 RW 35 8 3 11 4 1918-07-25 Eveleth
63 Doug Palazzari 1975 1979 C 108 18 20 38 -2 23 1952-11-03 Eveleth
64 John Mariucci* 1941 1948 D 223 11 34 45 308 1916-05-08 Eveleth
65 Mark Pavelich 1982 1992 C 355 137 192 329 55 340 1958-02-28 Eveleth
66 Tim Conboy 2008 2010 D 59 0 6 6 -5 121 1982-03-22 Farmington
67 Jarod Palmer 2012 2012 RW 6 1 0 1 -2 4 1986-02-10 Fridley
68 Josh Langfeld 2002 2008 RW 143 9 23 32 8 60 1977-07-17 Fridley
69 Chris Dahlquist 1986 1996 D 532 19 71 90 -51 488 1962-12-14 Fridley
70 Jordan Leopold 2003 2013 D 625 65 139 204 -32 268 1980-08-03 Golden Valley
71 Kirk Nielsen 1998 1998 RW 6 0 0 0 -1 0 1973-10-19 Grand Rapids
72 Chris Marinucci 1995 1997 C 13 1 4 5 -3 2 1971-12-29 Grand Rapids
73 Todd Rohloff 2002 2004 D 75 0 6 6 -19 40 1974-01-16 Grand Rapids
74 Steve Wagner 2008 2009 D 46 4 8 12 -9 26 1984-03-06 Grand Rapids
75 Jon Casey 1984 1997 G 425 0 13 13 0 126 425 170 157 55 .888 3.21 1962-03-29 Grand Rapids
76 Bill Baker 1981 1983 D 143 7 25 32 -30 175 1956-11-29 Grand Rapids
77 Jeff Nielsen 1997 2001 RW 252 20 27 47 -26 70 1971-09-20 Grand Rapids
78 Scot Kleinendorst 1983 1990 D 281 12 46 58 -13 452 1960-01-16 Grand Rapids
79 Alex Goligoski 2008 2013 D 318 40 122 162 38 114 1985-07-30 Grand Rapids
80 Trevor Frischmon 2010 2010 C 3 0 0 0 0 4 1981-08-05 Ham Lake
81 Jeff Taffe 2003 2012 C 180 21 25 46 -20 40 1981-02-19 Hastings
82 Derek Stepan 2011 2013 C 212 56 84 140 47 54 1990-06-18 Hastings
83 Milt Brink 1937 1937 C 5 0 0 0 0 1910-11-26 Hibbing
84 Joe Bretto 1945 1945 D 3 0 0 0 4 1912-11-28 Hibbing
85 John Polich 1940 1941 RW 3 0 1 1 0 1916-07-08 Hibbing
86 Pat Micheletti 1988 1988 C 12 2 0 2 2 8 1963-12-11 Hibbing
87 Scott Sandelin 1987 1992 D 25 0 4 4 -3 2 1964-08-08 Hibbing
88 Bob Collyard 1974 1974 C 10 1 3 4 1 4 1949-10-16 Hibbing
89 Kelly Fairchild 1996 2002 C 34 2 3 5 -3 6 1973-04-09 Hibbing
90 Gary Gambucci 1972 1974 C 51 2 7 9 7 9 1946-09-27 Hibbing
91 Mike Polich 1978 1981 C/LW 226 24 29 53 -15 57 1952-12-19 Hibbing
92 Joe Micheletti 1980 1982 D 158 11 60 71 1 114 1954-10-24 Hibbing
93 Butch Schaeffer 1937 1937 D 5 0 0 0 6 1911-11-07 Hinkley
94 Jim Korn 1980 1990 D/LW 597 66 122 188 -132 1801 1957-07-28 Hopkins
95 Bob Mason 1984 1991 G 145 0 4 4 0 6 145 55 65 16 .879 3.76 1961-04-22 International Falls
96 Jon Rohloff 1995 1997 D 150 7 25 32 -21 129 1969-10-03 Mankato
97 Joe Jensen 2008 2008 C 6 1 0 1 1 2 1983-02-06 Maple Grove
98 Jim O'Brien 2011 2013 C 63 8 4 12 1 14 1989-01-29 Maplewood
99 Shaun Sabol 1990 1990 D 2 0 0 0 0 0 1966-07-13 Minneapolis
100 Travis Morin 2011 2011 C 3 0 0 0 0 0 1984-01-09 Minneapolis
101 Bruce McIntosh 1973 1973 D 2 0 0 0 0 0 1949-03-17 Minneapolis
102 Peter Hayek 1982 1982 D 1 0 0 0 -1 0 1957-11-16 Minneapolis
103 Chad Erickson 1992 1992 G 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 1 1 0 .836 4.50 1970-08-21 Minneapolis
104 Mike Wong 1976 1976 C 22 1 1 2 -11 12 1955-01-14 Minneapolis
105 John Taft 1979 1979 D 15 0 2 2 2 4 1954-03-08 Minneapolis
106 David Jensen 1984 1986 D 18 0 2 2 -5 11 1961-05-03 Minneapolis
107 Erik Westrum 2004 2007 C 27 1 2 3 -4 22 1979-07-26 Minneapolis
108 Jim Warner 1980 1980 RW 32 0 3 3 -6 10 1954-03-26 Minneapolis
109 Philip McRae 2011 2011 C 15 1 2 3 -10 2 1990-03-15 Minneapolis
110 Casey Borer 2008 2010 D 16 1 2 3 -4 9 1985-07-28 Minneapolis
111 Rusty Fitzgerald 1995 1996 C 25 2 2 4 9 12 1972-10-04 Minneapolis
112 Matt Smaby 2008 2011 D 122 0 6 6 -19 106 1984-10-14 Minneapolis
113 Tom Hirsch 1984 1988 D 31 1 7 8 -15 30 1963-01-27 Minneapolis
114 Virgil Johnson 1938 1945 D 75 1 11 12 27 1912-03-04 Minneapolis
115 Joe Dziedzic 1996 1999 LW 130 14 14 28 -11 131 1971-12-18 Minneapolis
116 Lance Pitlick 1995 2002 D 393 16 33 49 -8 298 1967-11-05 Minneapolis
117 Andrew Alberts 2006 2013 D 449 8 47 55 1 492 1981-06-30 Minneapolis
118 Don Jackson 1978 1987 D 311 16 52 68 75 640 1956-09-02 Minneapolis
119 Toby Petersen 2001 2013 C 398 33 48 81 -40 50 1978-10-27 Minneapolis
120 Russ Anderson 1977 1985 D 519 22 99 121 -62 1086 1955-02-12 Minneapolis
121 Erik Rasmussen 1998 2007 LW/C 545 52 76 128 5 305 1977-03-28 Minneapolis
122 Cully Dahlstrom 1938 1945 C 342 88 118 206 58 1912-07-03 Minneapolis
123 Steve Jensen 1976 1982 LW 438 113 107 220 -128 318 1955-04-14 Minneapolis
124 Paul Martin 2004 2013 D 584 37 200 237 87 164 1981-03-05 Minneapolis
125 Tom Chorske 1990 2000 LW 596 115 122 237 -2 225 1966-09-18 Minneapolis
126 Dustin Byfuglien 2006 2013 D 450 95 148 243 -26 467 1985-03-27 Minneapolis
127 Mike Ramsey 1980 1997 D 1070 79 266 345 218 1012 1960-12-03 Minneapolis
128 Tom Kurvers 1985 1995 D 659 93 328 421 -35 350 1962-09-14 Minneapolis
129 Zach Parise 2006 2013 LW 550 212 236 448 59 193 1984-07-28 Minneapolis
130 Mark Johnson 1980 1990 C 669 203 305 508 -116 260 1957-09-22 Minneapolis
131 Reed Larson 1977 1990 D 904 222 463 685 -127 1391 1956-07-30 Minneapolis
132 Steve Martinson 1988 1992 LW 49 2 1 3 0 244 1959-06-21 Minnetonka
133 Jake Gardiner 2012 2013 D 87 7 27 34 -2 18 1990-07-04 Minnetonka
134 Jack Hillen 2008 2013 D 253 13 52 65 -3 143 1986-01-24 Minnetonka
135 Dave Snuggerud 1990 1993 RW 265 30 54 84 -23 127 1966-06-20 Minnetonka
136 Chris Vande Velde 2011 2013 C 28 1 2 3 -7 18 1987-03-15 Moorhead
137 Mark Cullen 2006 2012 C 38 7 10 17 6 4 1978-10-28 Moorhead
138 Brian Lee 2008 2013 D 209 5 31 36 -37 124 1987-03-26 Moorhead
139 Jason Blake 1999 2012 LW 871 213 273 486 -23 455 1973-09-02 Moorhead
140 Chris Kenady 1998 2000 RW 7 0 2 2 0 0 1973-04-10 Mound
141 Jim Johnson 1986 1998 D 829 29 166 195 16 1197 1962-08-09 New Hope
142 Mike Peluso 1990 1998 LW 458 38 52 90 -15 1951 1965-11-08 Pengilly
143 Derek Peltier 2009 2010 D 14 0 0 0 -4 2 1985-03-14 Plymouth
144 Gary Sargent 1976 1983 D 402 61 161 222 33 273 1954-02-08 Red Lake
145 Brett Hauer 1996 2002 D 37 4 4 8 -16 38 1971-07-11 Richfield
146 Darby Hendrickson 1995 2004 C 518 65 64 129 -109 370 1972-08-28 Richfield
147 Steve Christoff 1980 1984 C 248 77 64 141 -19 108 1958-01-23 Richfield
148 Todd Richards 1991 1992 D 8 0 4 4 -6 4 1966-10-20 Robbinsdale
149 Blake Wheeler 2009 2013 RW 372 93 139 232 42 228 1986-08-31 Robbinsdale
150 Trent Klatt 1992 2004 RW 782 143 200 343 44 307 1971-01-30 Robbinsdale
151 Mike Stuart 2004 2006 D 3 0 0 0 0 0 1980-08-31 Rochester
152 Bryce Lampman 2004 2007 D 10 0 0 0 -5 2 1982-08-31 Rochester
153 John Johannson 1984 1984 C 5 0 0 0 -2 0 1961-10-18 Rochester
154 Guy Gosselin 1988 1988 D 5 0 0 0 -1 6 1964-01-06 Rochester
155 Colin Stuart 2008 2012 LW 56 8 5 13 3 26 1982-07-08 Rochester
156 John Pohl 2004 2008 C 115 17 21 38 -8 24 1979-06-29 Rochester
157 Mark Stuart 2006 2013 D 428 19 40 59 30 459 1984-04-27 Rochester
158 Doug Zmolek 1993 2000 D 467 11 53 64 -84 905 1970-11-03 Rochester
159 Shjon Podein 1993 2003 LW 699 100 106 206 62 439 1968-03-05 Rochester
160 Dale Smedsmo 1973 1973 LW 4 0 0 0 0 0 1951-04-23 Roseau
161 Aaron Ness 2012 2012 D 9 0 0 0 0 2 1990-05-18 Roseau
162 Mike Baumgartner 1975 1975 D 17 0 0 0 -9 0 1949-01-30 Roseau
163 Earl Anderson 1975 1977 RW 109 19 19 38 -4 22 1951-02-24 Roseau
164 Paul Broten 1990 1996 RW 322 46 55 101 21 264 1965-10-27 Roseau
165 Bryan Erickson 1984 1994 RW 351 80 125 205 3 141 1960-03-07 Roseau
166 Aaron Broten 1981 1992 LW/C 748 186 329 515 -69 441 1960-11-14 Roseau
167 Neal Broten 1981 1997 C 1099 289 634 923 18 569 1959-11-29 Roseau
168 Steve Short 1978 1979 LW 6 0 0 0 -5 2 1954-04-06 Roseville
169 Chris McAlpine 1995 2003 D 289 6 24 30 7 245 1971-12-01 Roseville
170 Nate Raduns 2009 2009 RW 1 0 0 0 0 0 1984-05-17 Sauk Rapids
171 John Curry 2009 2010 G 4 0 0 0 0 0 4 2 2 0 .867 3.79 1984-02-27 Shorewood
172 Justin Faulk 2012 2013 D 104 13 24 37 -15 44 1992-03-20 South St. Paul
173 Warren Miller 1980 1983 RW 262 40 50 90 -64 137 1954-01-01 South St. Paul
174 Michael Sauer 2009 2012 D 98 4 14 18 28 96 1987-08-07 St. Cloud
175 Kurt Sauer 2003 2010 D 357 5 28 33 -15 250 1981-01-16 St. Cloud
176 Carl Sneep 2012 2012 D 1 0 1 1 1 0 1987-11-05 St. Louis Park
177 Ken Yackel 1959 1959 RW 6 0 0 0 2 1932-03-05 St. Paul
178 Sean Toomey 1987 1987 LW 1 0 0 0 -1 0 1965-06-27 St. Paul
179 Alex Stalock 2011 2013 G 3 0 0 0 0 0 3 1 0 1 .909 1.67 1987-07-28 St. Paul
180 Craig Sarner 1975 1975 RW 7 0 0 0 -3 0 1949-06-20 St. Paul
181 Jack McCartan 1960 1961 G 12 0 0 0 0 12 2 7 3 3.71 1935-08-05 St. Paul
182 Matt Koalska 2006 2006 C 3 0 0 0 -1 2 1980-05-16 St. Paul
183 Steve Janaszak 1980 1982 G 3 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 1 1 5.63 1957-01-07 St. Paul
184 Jim Cunningham 1978 1978 LW 1 0 0 0 1 4 1956-08-15 St. Paul
185 Brian Bonin 1999 2001 C 12 0 0 0 -5 0 1973-11-28 St. Paul
186 Adam Berkhoel 2006 2006 G 9 0 0 0 0 0 9 2 4 1 .882 3.81 1981-05-16 St. Paul
187 Les Auge 1981 1981 D 6 0 3 3 -3 4 1953-05-16 St. Paul
188 Randy Skarda 1990 1992 D 26 0 5 5 2 11 1968-05-05 St. Paul
189 Chris Pryor 1985 1990 D 82 1 4 5 -21 122 1961-01-23 St. Paul
190 Bill Butters 1978 1979 D 72 1 4 5 -15 77 1951-01-10 St. Paul
191 Damian Rhodes 1991 2002 G 309 1 6 7 0 34 309 99 140 48 .899 2.84 1969-05-28 St. Paul
192 Mark Osiecki 1992 1993 D 93 3 11 14 -24 43 1968-07-23 St. Paul
193 Justin Braun 2011 2013 D 135 4 25 29 -8 31 1987-02-10 St. Paul
194 Bob Dill 1944 1945 D 76 15 15 30 135 1920-04-25 St. Paul
195 Jeff Parker 1987 1991 RW 141 16 19 35 -8 163 1964-09-07 St. Paul
196 Jim McElmury 1973 1978 D 180 14 47 61 -74 49 1949-10-03 St. Paul
197 Bob Paradise 1972 1979 D 368 8 54 62 -116 393 1944-04-22 St. Paul
198 Tom Younghans 1977 1982 RW 429 44 41 85 -54 373 1953-01-22 St. Paul
199 Rob McClanahan 1980 1984 C 224 38 63 101 1 126 1958-01-09 St. Paul
200 Tom Gorence 1979 1984 RW 303 58 53 111 27 89 1957-03-11 St. Paul
201 Dave Langevin 1980 1987 D 513 12 107 119 107 530 1954-05-15 St. Paul
202 Scott Bjugstad 1984 1992 RW 317 76 68 144 -37 144 1961-06-02 St. Paul
203 Craig Johnson 1995 2004 LW 557 75 98 173 -33 260 1972-03-18 St. Paul
204 Kyle Okposo 2008 2013 RW 319 72 113 185 -39 196 1988-04-16 St. Paul
205 Bret Hedican 1992 2009 D 1039 55 239 294 -23 893 1970-08-10 St. Paul
206 Paul Holmgren 1976 1985 RW 527 144 179 323 105 1684 1955-12-02 St. Paul
207 Phil Housley 1983 2003 D 1495 338 894 1232 -53 822 1964-03-09 St. Paul
208 Ryan McDonagh 2011 2013 D 169 12 48 60 54 80 1989-06-13 St.Paul
209 Clay Wilson 2008 2012 D 36 4 4 8 -1 12 1983-04-05 Sturgeon Lake
210 Wyatt Smith 2000 2008 C 211 10 22 32 -18 65 1977-02-13 Thief River Falls
211 Zack Fitzgerald 2008 2008 D 1 0 0 0 0 0 1985-06-16 Two Harbors
212 Leroy Goldsworthy 1930 1939 RW 336 66 57 123 79 1906-10-18 Two Harbors
213 Pete LoPresti 1975 1981 G 175 0 3 3 0 6 175 43 102 20 4.07 1954-05-23 Virginia
214 John Gruden 1994 2004 D 92 1 8 9 -4 46 1970-06-04 Virginia
215 Steve Carlson 1980 1980 C 52 9 12 21 -7 23 1955-08-26 Virginia
216 Jack Carlson 1979 1987 LW 236 30 15 45 -2 417 1954-08-23 Virginia
217 Matt Niskanen 2008 2013 D 410 25 96 121 6 215 1986-12-06 Virginia
218 Matt Cullen 1998 2013 C 1073 202 360 562 -50 460 1976-11-02 Virginia
219 Al Hangsleben 1980 1982 D 185 21 48 69 3 396 1953-02-22 Warroad
220 Henry Boucha 1972 1977 C 247 53 49 102 -52 157 1951-06-01 Warroad
221 Dave Christian 1980 1994 RW 1009 340 433 773 -65 284 1959-05-12 Warroad
222 Matt Henderson 1999 2002 RW 6 0 1 1 -2 2 1974-06-22 White Bear Lake
223 Ryan Carter 2008 2013 C 298 24 34 58 -15 306 1983-08-03 White Bear Lake
224 David Tanabe 2000 2008 D 449 30 84 114 -47 245 1980-07-19 White Bear Lake
225 Doc Romnes 1931 1940 LW/C 360 68 136 204 42 1909-01-01 White Bear Lake
226 Clarence Schmidt 1944 1944 RW 7 1 0 1 2 1925-09-17 Williams
227 Mike McNeill 1991 1992 RW 63 5 11 16 -4 18 1966-07-22 Winona

[MrBoDangles]

Reason for this???

Who cares. I'm not sure the majority- exception being Bo - would assert that the objective of a youth hockey association is to develop kids to make it to the NHL. Development is an objective in many associations' charters, but development for what? The next level, the A team, High School, D1? Edina likes to hang banners - agree or disagree whether this is important, but it's just an opinion. If the measuring stick is the NHL, then Edina lags behind, but I'm guessing the Spuds might like the idea of having a few more banners.

Hang on to your youth trophies closely

[Bluewhitefan]

Hang on to your youth trophies closely

Very typical Bo response. I'd guess if you asked the vast majority of parents / kids as to the measure of success of their involvement in youth sports activities, most would put "number of eventual pros" far below things such as trophies, fun, friendships made, etc etc. Sadly, Bo's perspective is different I guess.

[ahastars03]

I don't know the answer to why but something to think about with the size and depth of Edina they are able to role 3 lines and be successful. While a team that doesn't have that depth and needs their big guns to help them win games end up playing a lot more over the course of the season. Because their team isn't as good and the coach is doing what he can to win his best player is seeing tons of ice time in all situations. Where Edina has depth to play many kids in different situations and in the long run that ends up hurting the individual at Edina but clearly makes for a successful team, the banners Edina is able to throw up every year is evidence of that. They did just win the PeeWee AA, Bantam AA, and High School AA state tourny's last year.

maybe it has nothing to do with it but just a thought.

[Mite-dad]

This is a great topic! As with most great topics, you're all right to a degree. I grew up in Cakeville and live elsewhere now. The fact is Edina is good at hockey for the same reason EP is at football and Apple Valley at wrestling: The expectation is different. You go into Braemar and you won't see any State 3rd Place banners. Win it all or you get nothing. Because of this mentality that was developed under Ikola, you get people who WANT their kid to be good at hockey and moving there for that reason. You get NHLers and major college players moving there. Then lo and behold, Bernie builds a groundbreaking training facility in Edina's yard. The first Choice leagues completely change the landscape - and are littered with Edina kids. Thier youth teams start to take over. The Machine and Blades (clearly the top 2 AAA programs overall) have many Edina players and parents involved. Money is crucial to keeping this going with all the travel, ice, etc. I heard from a buddy who had a kid on their PWAA team this past winter they easily spent $5,000 each. Money matters. So, you have a tradition built on winning, hockey people purposefully moving to the community (which is huge more for having that many more quality coaches in the association than anything else), MN Made next door, and money and the willingness to spend it. That's the recipe. BUT, the post regarding why Edina doesn't produce more high-end (D1 and pro) players is also very valid. I don't know the answer other than the fact that hockey is a mentally and physically tough game at the higher levels. Most people who make a living at it either have passion to burn (which may be difficult to attain when you have it relatively easy like many Edina kids), and/or are faced with the situation in life where either you make it, or you go back to the farm or to pump gas. Drive is underrated in sports. My 2 cents.

This is amazing to me. That parents would spend this much and more every year to hang another banner in the arena. I know this is probably a drop in the bucket for many of these Edina (and other WSW metro association) folks, but I highly doubt it is because hanging banners in the arena is important. If the honest truth were to come out, they think they can buy their kid into the NHL or D1. It is truly amazing the investment parents make to create a good high school player. I wonder how much disappointment there is when the kid's high school career ends and so does the hockey career. Or, worse yet, after all that investment, the kid fails to make the High School team!!!!! Wow! But I know parents don't always think about the economics or cost/benefit of these things. Having your kid play at a high level is priceless to some even though it typically ends before they really want it to for most kids. I wonder if they knew the investment before it all started and the kid did not play beyond high school or failed to make the HS team, if they would still spend it???

[Bluewhitefan]

This is a great topic! As with most great topics, you're all right to a degree. I grew up in Cakeville and live elsewhere now. The fact is Edina is good at hockey for the same reason EP is at football and Apple Valley at wrestling: The expectation is different. You go into Braemar and you won't see any State 3rd Place banners. Win it all or you get nothing. Because of this mentality that was developed under Ikola, you get people who WANT their kid to be good at hockey and moving there for that reason. You get NHLers and major college players moving there. Then lo and behold, Bernie builds a groundbreaking training facility in Edina's yard. The first Choice leagues completely change the landscape - and are littered with Edina kids. Thier youth teams start to take over. The Machine and Blades (clearly the top 2 AAA programs overall) have many Edina players and parents involved. Money is crucial to keeping this going with all the travel, ice, etc. I heard from a buddy who had a kid on their PWAA team this past winter they easily spent $5,000 each. Money matters. So, you have a tradition built on winning, hockey people purposefully moving to the community (which is huge more for having that many more quality coaches in the association than anything else), MN Made next door, and money and the willingness to spend it. That's the recipe. BUT, the post regarding why Edina doesn't produce more high-end (D1 and pro) players is also very valid. I don't know the answer other than the fact that hockey is a mentally and physically tough game at the higher levels. Most people who make a living at it either have passion to burn (which may be difficult to attain when you have it relatively easy like many Edina kids), and/or are faced with the situation in life where either you make it, or you go back to the farm or to pump gas. Drive is underrated in sports. My 2 cents.

This is amazing to me. That parents would spend this much and more every year to hang another banner in the arena. I know this is probably a drop in the bucket for many of these Edina (and other WSW metro association) folks, but I highly doubt it is because hanging banners in the arena is important. If the honest truth were to come out, they think they can buy their kid into the NHL or D1. It is truly amazing the investment parents make to create a good high school player. I wonder how much disappointment there is when the kid's high school career ends and so does the hockey career. Or, worse yet, after all that investment, the kid fails to make the High School team!!!!! Wow! But I know parents don't always think about the economics or cost/benefit of these things. Having your kid play at a high level is priceless to some even though it typically ends before they really want it to for most kids. I wonder if they knew the investment before it all started and the kid did not play beyond high school or failed to make the HS team, if they would still spend it???

HS is probably the ultimate goal for most. That may be crazy and highly disappointing to many in the end, but at least it's acheivable. Anyone that spends that kind of money in pursuit of an NHL career is delusional. Remember, many spend similar amounts on year round training for soccer as an example - proabably an equally questionable investment.

[SCBlueLiner]

This is a great topic! As with most great topics, you're all right to a degree. I grew up in Cakeville and live elsewhere now. The fact is Edina is good at hockey for the same reason EP is at football and Apple Valley at wrestling: The expectation is different. You go into Braemar and you won't see any State 3rd Place banners. Win it all or you get nothing. Because of this mentality that was developed under Ikola, you get people who WANT their kid to be good at hockey and moving there for that reason. You get NHLers and major college players moving there. Then lo and behold, Bernie builds a groundbreaking training facility in Edina's yard. The first Choice leagues completely change the landscape - and are littered with Edina kids. Thier youth teams start to take over. The Machine and Blades (clearly the top 2 AAA programs overall) have many Edina players and parents involved. Money is crucial to keeping this going with all the travel, ice, etc. I heard from a buddy who had a kid on their PWAA team this past winter they easily spent $5,000 each. Money matters. So, you have a tradition built on winning, hockey people purposefully moving to the community (which is huge more for having that many more quality coaches in the association than anything else), MN Made next door, and money and the willingness to spend it. That's the recipe. BUT, the post regarding why Edina doesn't produce more high-end (D1 and pro) players is also very valid. I don't know the answer other than the fact that hockey is a mentally and physically tough game at the higher levels. Most people who make a living at it either have passion to burn (which may be difficult to attain when you have it relatively easy like many Edina kids), and/or are faced with the situation in life where either you make it, or you go back to the farm or to pump gas. Drive is underrated in sports. My 2 cents.

This is amazing to me. That parents would spend this much and more every year to hang another banner in the arena. I know this is probably a drop in the bucket for many of these Edina (and other WSW metro association) folks, but I highly doubt it is because hanging banners in the arena is important. If the honest truth were to come out, they think they can buy their kid into the NHL or D1. It is truly amazing the investment parents make to create a good high school player. I wonder how much disappointment there is when the kid's high school career ends and so does the hockey career. Or, worse yet, after all that investment, the kid fails to make the High School team!!!!! Wow! But I know parents don't always think about the economics or cost/benefit of these things. Having your kid play at a high level is priceless to some even though it typically ends before they really want it to for most kids. I wonder if they knew the investment before it all started and the kid did not play beyond high school or failed to make the HS team, if they would still spend it???

After self-reflection, I believe our total hockey related costs for my son to play this past year to be approximately $5000, and we are nowhere near to being in an asssocaiation such as Edina. I calculate all hockey related costs to be ice fees, registration, and other team related costs, equipment costs, and travel associated costs (hotel, gas, etc). A bulk of these costs are travel related as it seems impossible to go to a tournament without dropping close to $500 on the weekend.

No, you don't write a $5000 check to your association, but think of how much you would save if your kid didn't play hockey.

I justify it by saying I would rather spend the weekend at some frozen rink watching my kid play than going on vacation to Vegas or Mexico.

[old goalie85]

So would I. [ hope Edina is not in it]

[MrBoDangles]

Hang on to your youth trophies closely

Very typical Bo response. I'd guess if you asked the vast majority of parents / kids as to the measure of success of their involvement in youth sports activities, most would put "number of eventual pros" far below things such as trophies, fun, friendships made, etc etc. Sadly, Bo's perspective is different I guess.

You were the the one that brought this 2007 topic back....... I just upped it with a counter argument to show a broader picture.

Seems that plenty of the all - time best NHL players from Minnesota come from more of a blue collar background. Money...?

Just giving another opinion if some of those Edina dads think jonny is going to make the big show because he plays there...... But none of those Edina dads think $ that.

My advice is free!

[O-townClown]

When I was a kid my parents were supportive and encouraging. If I outgrew something it was replaced. Dad never went overboard, but I got skates with Tuuks when the other kids did and was early in getting an aluminum stick. Invited to travel to Canada, they said yes and stroked the check. All these years later my elderly mom says, "that was FUN!"

So now I'm a parent. Despite not going into an ice rink for 15 years my son somehow found the sport of hockey. I may be a horrible parent, but I feel a strong responsibility to be supportive and encouraging the way my parents were.

Bo, did you ever consider that a lot of parents - no matter where they're from - feel the same way?

Being supportive and encouraging can be expensive. Travel baseball, tennis, competitive dance/cheer, figure skating, anything with a horse.

Just because money is involved it doesn't mean anything is wrong.

[Bluewhitefan]

Just because money is involved it doesn't mean anything is wrong.

And just because there's money involved doesn't mean that the parents think their kid is going to the NHL. Some probably do, but that's not unique to Edina. Bo wears his hatred for Edina on his sleeve. Funny, he hasn't produced stats regarding NHL players from associations like Wayzata, OMG, or any other Mega-associations. Hopefully those kids (and their parents) that never make it to the NHL look back on their youth careers and say "that sure was fun traveling to Roseau, or Breezy or LeCrescent ....

[Bluewhitefan]

You were the the one that brought this 2007 topic back....... I just upped it with a counter argument to show a broader picture.

What, exactly was the argument you were countering? I brought the topic back because I thought it was interesting to see what the players on a team from 6 years ago were doing now. Some are playing at a high level, some are not - nothing more, nothing less. You certainly broadened the picture by adding the NHL metric and applying it to kids that aren't even draft eligible yet. Curious as to what you think the objective of most youth sports associations would be - Producing pros? Having fun? Winning trophies?

[Jerry Lundegaard]

My advice is free!

Further proof that you get what you pay for.

[MrBoDangles]

You boys are not comprehending this topic as a whole. People were bringing up how Edina and money create great Hockey players and I simply pointed out how something ends up missing from there at the highest level...... I gave different view than "people should want to move to Edina for their development". Why has this lack og NHL talent happened? I think I have a good sense on the reason why, but you Edina folks don't want to talk about it and get defensive.

Thank goodness for the Hankinson's!

[MrBoDangles]

When will Edina start to put out some top end players? What is missing there? Does being cake fed affect them?

LITTLE Moorhead had six or seven in the pro ranks a year or two ago.... Not sure that Edina could have claimed to develop one?

When will we see a Backes type from Ediner?

Seems like there's almost a curse going on when you think of how huge their association is............

Now let the crying begin

I'm not sure what all that means........

It begins with genetics, natural born talent, or whatever one chooses to call it. From there it is a matter of developing one to their potential, which is not that same from person to person. That development happens with opportunity and effort. Money can provide more opportunity, but money cannot create a great athlete from where there was little potential. Opportunity can also come in the form of a local rink close by, the right parents, coaches, and teachers to nurture that potential, and the right environment, such as a community that supports that particular interest. Any person discovering and then developing their specialty is one of life's great challenges. Some find something they can be very good at, and some don't.

I've always wanted to be a musician and have spent thousands of dollars on lessons from great teachers and thousands of hours practicing. I discovered long ago that my piano playing abilities are limited regardless of how much money I spend and even how many reps I get. I just enjoy playing now. On the other hand, there have been world class piano players that never had a lesson. All the money in the world won't make me a world class musician, or hockey player for that matter.

[MrBoDangles]

This is a great topic! As with most great topics, you're all right to a degree. I grew up in Cakeville and live elsewhere now. The fact is Edina is good at hockey for the same reason EP is at football and Apple Valley at wrestling: The expectation is different. You go into Braemar and you won't see any State 3rd Place banners. Win it all or you get nothing. Because of this mentality that was developed under Ikola, you get people who WANT their kid to be good at hockey and moving there for that reason. You get NHLers and major college players moving there. Then lo and behold, Bernie builds a groundbreaking training facility in Edina's yard. The first Choice leagues completely change the landscape - and are littered with Edina kids. Thier youth teams start to take over. The Machine and Blades (clearly the top 2 AAA programs overall) have many Edina players and parents involved. Money is crucial to keeping this going with all the travel, ice, etc. I heard from a buddy who had a kid on their PWAA team this past winter they easily spent $5,000 each. Money matters. So, you have a tradition built on winning, hockey people purposefully moving to the community (which is huge more for having that many more quality coaches in the association than anything else), MN Made next door, and money and the willingness to spend it. That's the recipe. BUT, the post regarding why Edina doesn't produce more high-end (D1 and pro) players is also very valid. I don't know the answer other than the fact that hockey is a mentally and physically tough game at the higher levels. Most people who make a living at it either have passion to burn (which may be difficult to attain when you have it relatively easy like many Edina kids), and/or are faced with the situation in life where either you make it, or you go back to the farm or to pump gas. Drive is underrated in sports. My 2 cents.

[MrBoDangles]

It seems for the sake of this discussion what would matter most is the number of hockey players in an association. I know two seasons ago Edina had about 330 boys in their Mite program. That same season Moorhead had about 60 and Roseau had about 30. For the sake of this discussion that would make Moorhead look a lot more like Roseau than Edina.

You can dwell on a lone Bantam title all you want, but Moorhead appearing in 7 HS title games in an 18 year stretch with a relatively small to medium number of kids says a lot more about their long term developmental methods than the number of youth hockey titles they have, which is probably far more impacted by short term factors such as numbers and demographics than long term development.

[MrBoDangles]

I think this is an interesting subject worthy of discussion. My take is that kids in smaller associations, like Roseau and Moorhead, relative to large associations, like Edina, get individualized attention and opportunity. Basically, these smaller associations do not have the luxury of leaving any player behind, all of them are coached and brought up through the program. They coach what players they have.

Large associations can become a graveyard where kids are buried on the depth chart of 8, 9, or 10 teams. Could you imagine being an 11 yr old on a B2 team and looking at how far you have to climb to make the top team? It would be discouraging and the kid will probably end up quiting and doing something else because hockey is too expensive to continue to put the family resources into when a kid will have little/no shot at playing in high school.

Conversely, in the small association that same player would probably be on the A or B team, or only a rung or two from the top team. He'll get coached and brought along because the association can't afford to lose anybody. He'll be given time to develop his skill set and mature. When puberty hits and the real game of hockey starts he'll still be playing the game, then we can see what happens from there.

An argument could be made that some of the mega associations would benefit in the long term if they were broke up into smaller organizations. I believe it is similar to the argument that Herb brooks made for neighborhood hockey and that Lorne Grosso in Rochester is making for the Rochester feeder system in a recent Let's Play Hockey article. Maybe a compromise to breaking up the megas would be for them to be required to field a set number of A teams based on association size. That solution would also end the AA/A issue as there would be only A teams.

Only throwing thoughts out there for discussion and not really advocating anything in particular. That said, I am happy my son plays in a small association. He has opportunity to make the top teams now and I know that he will get the opportunity to play high school varsity someday.

[MrBoDangles]

I don't know the answer to why but something to think about with the size and depth of Edina they are able to role 3 lines and be successful. While a team that doesn't have that depth and needs their big guns to help them win games end up playing a lot more over the course of the season. Because their team isn't as good and the coach is doing what he can to win his best player is seeing tons of ice time in all situations. Where Edina has depth to play many kids in different situations and in the long run that ends up hurting the individual at Edina but clearly makes for a successful team, the banners Edina is able to throw up every year is evidence of that. They did just win the PeeWee AA, Bantam AA, and High School AA state tourny's last year.

maybe it has nothing to do with it but just a thought.

[O-townClown]

Bo, I understand the topic. Very well in fact. The reason Edina doesn't put more players into the NHL is that it is very difficult to reach the NHL.

Now you are creating a different path for this discussion? Now you are talking about people moving to Edina for "development" of their youth hockey player. As I recall, the thread took at look at a very good Squirt team and pointed out almost all of the players were on the ice a great deal more than the traditional association-based program.

No different than when I was a kid and we skated on ponds, at the park, or in the backyard.

[O-townClown]

Two things: They all skate alot on AAA teams and most all of them for the Machine or Deuce.

Is it any wonder that people want to do MMs Choice league?

[MrBoDangles]

Bo, I understand the topic. Very well in fact. The reason Edina doesn't put more players into the NHL is that it is very difficult to reach the NHL.

Now you are creating a different path for this discussion? Now you are talking about people moving to Edina for "development" of their youth hockey player. As I recall, the thread took at look at a very good Squirt team and pointed out almost all of the players were on the ice a great deal more than the traditional association-based program.

No different than when I was a kid and we skated on ponds, at the park, or in the backyard.

Edina would seem to have a MUCH harder time putting out players that last at all in the NHL.

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