Will Edina go undefeated at PWA (or AA) this year?

57special · Post by **57special** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:29 am

57special wrote:no way they're undefeated.

Good thing I didn't put any money down. 40-0 so far. Scary thing is that if one of their lesser players went down, they could bring someone up from the A team and get better.

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:48 am

That group is unreal. Great job by a great assc. Damn cakeaters !!

edgeless2 · Post by **edgeless2** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:25 pm

The real scary thing IMO is that they will be even more dominant next year!

57special · Post by **57special** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:55 pm

don't know about that.11 kids are moving on, including both goalies. Pretty hard to get more dominant than this group.

edgeless2 · Post by **edgeless2** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:42 pm

57special wrote:don't know about that.11 kids are moving on, including both goalies. Pretty hard to get more dominant than this group.

This group went 35-0 last year as 2nd year squirts and I believe they had only one 1 goal game. I would expect more of the same as the stronger of the groups seem to be the first years on the whole. Hope I'm wrong but this group of first years has not lost a season game in 3 years. Someone correct me if I am mistaken.

redtundra · Post by **redtundra** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:58 pm

edgeless2 wrote:
57special wrote:don't know about that.11 kids are moving on, including both goalies. Pretty hard to get more dominant than this group.
This group went 35-0 last year as 2nd year squirts and I believe they had only one 1 goal game. I would expect more of the same as the stronger of the groups seem to be the first years on the whole. Hope I'm wrong but this group of first years has not lost a season game in 3 years. Someone correct me if I am mistaken.

The 1st years are very good on this team, but the 2nd years are the stronger bunch. Next year they will also be very good, but I don't think quite as dominant. We'll see!

Mnhockeys · Post by **Mnhockeys** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:06 pm

Can an all star team from the other associations beat this team? Someone said that Edina's 3rd line would be the top line for most other associations, so would assume the whole team is top-notch talented.

nobama · Post by **nobama** » Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:35 am

small fish small pond

snowpuck · Post by **snowpuck** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:37 am

Have seen them play and they are good..Very good. Their Defense is solid as I have seen at the Peewee level with that said they can be beat. Time will tell.

stromboli · Post by **stromboli** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:21 am

nobama wrote:small fish small pond

Any team that goes on a win streak like they have, at this or any level, is impressive. They've had a few close games this year, so maybe they can be beaten like others have said already. That makes their consistency that much more impressive.

Don't have a kid on that team. However, most of those kids have competed across the country (and Canada) on their various summer teams against stiff competition from the top Tier I teams and have done more than okay against kids their own ages... But you know that already, huh?

Shinbone_News · Post by **Shinbone_News** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:01 pm

Don't the core of the first years play w/ the '00 Machine Orange in summer?

That team is also dominant in AAA with a comparable record -- against competition all over North America -- over the years. Very nice group of players.

Probably a lot like the 96ers, if not the 88s.

I wonder if the 00 Machine played the 2013 Edina PWAA (with clones on both teams), who would win and why??? Just an interesting sci-fi thought experiment.

YouthHockeyHub · Post by **YouthHockeyHub** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:17 pm

Shinny,

The same thought has crossed my sic-fi brain as well.

I'd lay a fictional $20 on the 2000 Machine. Their goalie being the difference.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:22 pm

It's all about numbers.

C'mon guys, there's a reason why Edina and Wayzata are always at the top of the rankings.. Depth! Two to three times as many kids!

Give Centennial the same numbers and it would be a "cake" walk over Edina without having all the "all across north america

" talent.

There's no secret.....

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:32 pm

Mnhockeys wrote:Can an all star team from the other associations beat this team? Someone said that Edina's 3rd line would be the top line for most other associations, so would assume the whole team is top-notch talented.

You don't know much about the talent out there.. Most, to at least half of Edina's team would be replaced by D6 players alone.

Edina has solid depth.

observer · Post by **observer** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:58 pm

It's all about numbers.

Remember, that is not really the entire reason. The reason is because of the numbers the players work harder on their game than other associations because if they don't they won't make the top team. So, not only do they have more bodies they're outworking you too.

It can be done without numbers but requires a strong dad/leader that gets all 10-12-15 kids to work hard. I've heard stories of the recent Rosemount collection and I don't think they have 10 teams per level. A few years ago Apple Valley had 2-3 teams per level but had a few strong players, good coaches and leadership, and worked hard as a group to accomplish more than any other association with only two teams per level.

It's an interesting dynamic that the largest associations also work the hardest because the kids, and their parents, want their sons to be on the top team.

stromboli · Post by **stromboli** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:26 pm

MrBoDangles wrote:
Mnhockeys wrote:Can an all star team from the other associations beat this team? Someone said that Edina's 3rd line would be the top line for most other associations, so would assume the whole team is top-notch talented.

You don't know much about the talent out there.. Most, to at least half of Edina's team would be replaced by D6 players alone.

Edina has solid depth.

Disagree with you on this one Bo. The Edina team is made up mostly of machine, blades, and similar talent. In fact, I'd be willing to bet it would take an all star team from all of D10 just to have similar talent. Or isn't that enough kids for you to draw from?

stromboli · Post by **stromboli** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:28 pm

MrBoDangles wrote:
Mnhockeys wrote:Can an all star team from the other associations beat this team? Someone said that Edina's 3rd line would be the top line for most other associations, so would assume the whole team is top-notch talented.

You don't know much about the talent out there.. Most, to at least half of Edina's team would be replaced by D6 players alone.

Edina has solid depth.

Disagree with you on this one Bo. The Edina team is made up mostly of machine, blades, and similar talent. In fact, I'd be willing to bet it would take an all star team from all of D10 just to have similar talent. Or isn't that enough kids for you to draw from?

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:01 pm

observer wrote:
It's all about numbers.
Remember, that is not really the entire reason. The reason is because of the numbers the players work harder on their game than other associations because if they don't they won't make the top team. So, not only do they have more bodies they're outworking you too.

It can be done without numbers but requires a strong dad/leader that gets all 10-12-15 kids to work hard. I've heard stories of the recent Rosemount collection and I don't think they have 10 teams per level. A few years ago Apple Valley had 2-3 teams per level but had a few strong players, good coaches and leadership, and worked hard as a group to accomplish more than any other association with only two teams per level.

It's an interesting dynamic that the largest associations also work the hardest because the kids, and their parents, want their sons to be on the top team.

There's a definate corellation with Edina and Wayzata being the two biggest associations and them always being at the top of the standings. Common sense should tell anybody that.

Centennial has half the kids... Yes, get twice as many trying for the top team there and they probably go for a "cake" walk..

Some teams are starting to crack Edina's great SYSTEM after playing them a couple times with scores becoming MUCH closer.

Get it?

GTTN · Post by **GTTN** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:14 pm

YouthHockeyHub wrote:Shinny,

The same thought has crossed my sic-fi brain as well.

I'd lay a fictional $20 on the 2000 Machine. Their goalie being the difference.

What "real season" team does this goalie play on?

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:19 pm

stromboli wrote:
MrBoDangles wrote:
Mnhockeys wrote:Can an all star team from the other associations beat this team? Someone said that Edina's 3rd line would be the top line for most other associations, so would assume the whole team is top-notch talented.

You don't know much about the talent out there.. Most, to at least half of Edina's team would be replaced by D6 players alone.

Edina has solid depth.
Disagree with you on this one Bo. The Edina team is made up mostly of machine, blades, and similar talent. In fact, I'd be willing to bet it would take an all star team from all of D10 just to have similar talent. Or isn't that enough kids for you to draw from?

There are plenty Peewee age "Machine, Blades and similar talent" that come from District 10.

There are plenty of others that decide not to play for the Blades /Machine.

Centennial just played Edina to a 4-3 game... The more they play them, the closer it gets.

Combine Centennial and Andover to match Edina's numbers and you would awaken.

It's depth.

C-dad · Post by **C-dad** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:21 am

MrBoDangles wrote:
Centennial just played Edina to a 4-3 game... The more they play them, the closer it gets.

Of course they get closer each time they play. Always happens, the better team gets cocky and complacent and the lesser team gets more pumped up. Doesn't mean the talent has gotten any closer.

observer · Post by **observer** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:55 am

Get it?

I get it and numbers is the factor that creates the interesting dynamic. What I was pointing out, and people don't understand when they say "they're just a bigger association" is because of the numbers they work harder to make the top team. Any association that gets 15-20 Squirts working on their game as hard as Edina does can compete with them. Athletically they're no different than your 15-20 kids but they are outworking them.

redtundra · Post by **redtundra** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:01 am

MrBoDangles wrote:
observer wrote:
It's all about numbers.
Remember, that is not really the entire reason. The reason is because of the numbers the players work harder on their game than other associations because if they don't they won't make the top team. So, not only do they have more bodies they're outworking you too.

It can be done without numbers but requires a strong dad/leader that gets all 10-12-15 kids to work hard. I've heard stories of the recent Rosemount collection and I don't think they have 10 teams per level. A few years ago Apple Valley had 2-3 teams per level but had a few strong players, good coaches and leadership, and worked hard as a group to accomplish more than any other association with only two teams per level.

It's an interesting dynamic that the largest associations also work the hardest because the kids, and their parents, want their sons to be on the top team.
There's a definate corellation with Edina and Wayzata being the two biggest associations and them always being at the top of the standings. Common sense should tell anybody that.

Centennial has half the kids... Yes, get twice as many trying for the top team there and they probably go for a "cake" walk..

Some teams are starting to crack Edina's great SYSTEM after playing them a couple times with scores becoming MUCH closer.

Get it?

This comment makes no sense at all. I get the feeling there may be some animosity here... I just looked at their schedule on-line. The best example is probably Mtka. The 1st time Edina played them it was a blow-out. Then it was real close in the EP tournament. Then a couple more blow-outs. Recently itwas 4-0. I think it's just the ebb and flow of the season. To say teams are "cracking the system" because of one close game against Centennial is just not a clear picture of the season. They are 40-0. A few close scores and mainly blowouts (winning by over 5 goals). Until there's a few close games in a row and maybe a loss, it's hard to draw any other conclusion than they will be tough to beat. We play them in White Bear this weekend. I'll get back to you...

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:49 am

observer wrote:
Get it?
I get it and numbers is the factor that creates the interesting dynamic. What I was pointing out, and people don't understand when they say "they're just a bigger association" is because of the numbers they work harder to make the top team. Any association that gets 15-20 Squirts working on their game as hard as Edina does can compete with them. Athletically they're no different than your 15-20 kids but they are outworking them.

Still not with ya.

Should we expect an association with five Peewee teams (Centennial) to compete with an association (Edina) with ten?

Would things be different if Centennial was the same size?????? Prior Lake??? Eden Prarie???(all about 4-6 teams, not 10) You see, these associations actually go above what they should do and Edina, most years, goes below what they should do.

Edina has way more than 15-20 working hard..... they have B-3 players that would play on most associations AA teams 2nd or 3rd line.... They have incredible depth. They have TWICE as many kids working hard.

No magic going on.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:55 am

C-dad wrote:
MrBoDangles wrote:
Centennial just played Edina to a 4-3 game... The more they play them, the closer it gets.
Of course they get closer each time they play. Always happens, the better team gets cocky and complacent and the lesser team gets more pumped up. Doesn't mean the talent has gotten any closer.

Skills were always close.

They learned how to take them off their game.