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MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:06 pm

How are the schedules working out? Is MNH still planning on having Elk River's AA team play their own A team and Chisago Lake's A team play Centennial's AA team?

How's it going outstate for scheduling? Sound like it's been tough in many of the districts.

Are the A teams able to get into the big AA tournaments.

Aimforthefivehole · Post by **Aimforthefivehole** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:30 pm

What I've seen so far is our A team is in a great spot when playing other A teams in districts where they field both A and AA. We field both AA and A in our association. We have 9 1st yr guys so it is outstanding development for them. To be honest with you I'm sure there is apprehension on any AA's part to play A teams as they might lose and risk embarrassment or conversely beat that A team into the ice and that's not good either. So you're kind of left with this " figuring out who you can play and be successful". We are all in this mode at the moment. Who can we play and make sure that it's going to be a good close game...All good stuff, just need to gut it out and hope the boys develop throughout the season.

Toomuchtoosoon · Post by **Toomuchtoosoon** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:42 pm

I am hearing some big associations are passing over a lot of 2nd years in favor of 1st years for the A team. Don't believe that was the intent, be a development tool for the AA team.

Towelie · Post by **Towelie** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:47 pm

Toomuchtoosoon wrote:I am hearing some big associations are passing over a lot of 2nd years in favor of 1st years for the A team. Don't believe that was the intent, be a development tool for the AA team.

If I was a AA coach that is what I would want my A coach to do...then you have a more experienced AA team the following year. I guess you can look at it like Varsity/JV now.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:58 pm

Towelie wrote:
Toomuchtoosoon wrote:I am hearing some big associations are passing over a lot of 2nd years in favor of 1st years for the A team. Don't believe that was the intent, be a development tool for the AA team.
If I was a AA coach that is what I would want my A coach to do...then you have a more experienced AA team the following year. I guess you can look at it like Varsity/JV now.

You're exposing the ugliness of the politics in association Hockey.

I've also been hearing about Peewee A teams with 8-12 first years on them.

What are the tryouts for with this way of thinking?

Towelie · Post by **Towelie** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:16 pm

MrBoDangles wrote:
Towelie wrote:
Toomuchtoosoon wrote:I am hearing some big associations are passing over a lot of 2nd years in favor of 1st years for the A team. Don't believe that was the intent, be a development tool for the AA team.
If I was a AA coach that is what I would want my A coach to do...then you have a more experienced AA team the following year. I guess you can look at it like Varsity/JV now.
You're exposing the ugliness of the politics in association Hockey.

I've also been hearing about Peewee A teams with 8-12 first years on them.

What are the tryouts for with this way of thinking?

Another one of those....should have thought about that before they went that direction. Same with Minnesota Hockey and the suspension issues with the checking from behind/boarding/head contact thing they just through out a month after tryouts.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:32 pm

MrBoDangles wrote:How are the schedules working out? Is MNH still planning on having Elk River's AA team play their own A team and Chisago Lake's A team play Centennial's AA team?

How's it going outstate for scheduling? Sound like it's been tough in many of the districts.

Are the A teams able to get into the big AA tournaments.

District 16 - mandated that AA plays A.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:35 pm

Towelie wrote: Another one of those....should have thought about that before they went that direction. Same with Minnesota Hockey and the suspension issues with the checking from behind/boarding/head contact thing they just through out a month after tryouts.

District Directors ONLY discussed this policy.
It is not a MH thing. If certain districts are using it, that is up to them.
District 16 does not use it, nor do many based on the conversations the directors have had.

Pinky · Post by **Pinky** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:10 pm

elliott70 wrote:
Towelie wrote: Another one of those....should have thought about that before they went that direction. Same with Minnesota Hockey and the suspension issues with the checking from behind/boarding/head contact thing they just through out a month after tryouts.
District Directors ONLY discussed this policy.
It is not a MH thing. If certain districts are using it, that is up to them.
District 16 does not use it, nor do many based on the conversations the directors have had.

Interesting...the top of the letter states Minnesota Hockey. Seems to me there is a lot of confusion going around about this and not everything is on the same page....go figure.

greybeard58 · Post by **greybeard58** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:59 pm

Bo
In answer to your question from what I understand all "A" Bantam and "A" Peewee teams will play each other once with a second game within their division(AA/A), as was the format last year.
I also believe that the suspension for Checking from Behind has not changed for Mn Hockey. There are at least 2 Districts that have tougher penalties. District 2 has for a number of years added 1 more game suspension for any District 2 player receiving a Game Misconduct and the new District 6 policy is on another thread. I also read somewhere that a any coach in District 10 receiving 2 Game Misconducts is suspended until a hearing is held. I believe that started last year.

the_juiceman · Post by **the_juiceman** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:47 pm

MrBoDangles wrote:How are the schedules working out? Is MNH still planning on having Elk River's AA team play their own A team and Chisago Lake's A team play Centennial's AA team?

How's it going outstate for scheduling? Sound like it's been tough in many of the districts.

Are the A teams able to get into the big AA tournaments.

Yes--D10 is doing the unbalanced schedule--AA and A play each other once.

the_juiceman · Post by **the_juiceman** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:48 pm

elliott70 wrote:
Towelie wrote: Another one of those....should have thought about that before they went that direction. Same with Minnesota Hockey and the suspension issues with the checking from behind/boarding/head contact thing they just through out a month after tryouts.
District Directors ONLY discussed this policy.
It is not a MH thing. If certain districts are using it, that is up to them.
District 16 does not use it, nor do many based on the conversations the directors have had.

D10 is not doing the suspension for checking from behind/boarding/head contact.

greybeard58 · Post by **greybeard58** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:38 pm

The penalty for checking from behind is a major and a game misconduct which carries a 1 game suspension either the next league or scheduled tournament.

Juice I believe you mean D10 will not have added suspensions in addition to USA Hockey penalties.

Hockey guy1486 · Post by **Hockey guy1486** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:31 pm

It is not always a game DQ.....check the rule again

greybeard58 · Post by **greybeard58** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:55 pm

A DQ is a high school hockey term,or in the Jr Gold classification.
Mn Hockey eliminated the 2 minute minor and a 10 minute misconduct. Leaving a 5 minute major and a game misconduct or a match, USA Hockey playing rule 608

If Mn Hockey changed the 2 minute minor to a 5 minute minor plus a 10 minute misconduct I have not viewed that part of their change.

Hockey guy1486 · Post by **Hockey guy1486** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:29 pm

Game DQ or Game Misconduct......same thing. You had just said that it was a 1 game suspension which it is not always the case

greybeard58 · Post by **greybeard58** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:19 am

Hockey guy
A game DQ and a Game Misconduct are 2 different items. In Mn Hockey a game DQ removes a player from just the remainder of that game and the player is eligible to play in the next game. The Jr Gold level has this and also a District or 2. If a Jr Gold player gets 3 penalties is also given a Game DQ or a Referee can just DQ a player at any time during a game.
A Game Misconduct the player is removed for the rest of the game and is also suspended for the next scheduled league game or tournament game.

Hockey guy1486 · Post by **Hockey guy1486** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:07 am

Ok....I am happy that you can read the rule book....my bad. But what about you saying that all checking from behinds results in a 1 game suspension?

greybeard58 · Post by **greybeard58** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:42 am

Any Game Misconduct by USA Hockey rules is a 1 game suspension. Additional penalties can be assessed a player using rule 410. The above discussion was additional game suspensions for a game misconduct,this has been done on a District by District basis and was a proposal presented to Mn Hockey.

Can there be additional game suspensions for a Check from Behind and that will happen when a Match Penalty is called for a Check from Behind and a hearing is then held or if no hearing after 30 days the player is reinstated.

barry_mcconnell · Post by **barry_mcconnell** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:15 pm

I'm hoping our association will add a BB level next season. Possibly BB1 and BB2 and maybe BB3. The goal is to make sure every game is completely balanced and hopefully a tie. Everyone loves ties.

AA - Elite
AA
A
BB1
BB2
B1
B2
B3??

If everything goes according to plan:
- no kid will have to play C
- no kid will have to feel the humiliation of losing
- no kid will get bumped (from the front, side, or back)

Juice boxes for everyone!

the_juiceman · Post by **the_juiceman** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:52 pm

greybeard58 wrote:The penalty for checking from behind is a major and a game misconduct which carries a 1 game suspension either the next league or scheduled tournament.

Juice I believe you mean D10 will not have added suspensions in addition to USA Hockey penalties.

correct--no added suspensions

the_juiceman · Post by **the_juiceman** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:57 pm

greybeard58 wrote:A DQ is a high school hockey term,or in the Jr Gold classification.
Mn Hockey eliminated the 2 minute minor and a 10 minute misconduct. Leaving a 5 minute major and a game misconduct or a match, USA Hockey playing rule 608

If Mn Hockey changed the 2 minute minor to a 5 minute minor plus a 10 minute misconduct I have not viewed that part of their change.

I'm confused--last year checking from behind was a 5 and a 10--5 min major and 10 min misconduct. so the player was out for 15 min. Are you saying it is now a game misconduct?

Bluewhitefan · Post by **Bluewhitefan** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:50 pm

the_juiceman wrote:
greybeard58 wrote:A DQ is a high school hockey term,or in the Jr Gold classification.
Mn Hockey eliminated the 2 minute minor and a 10 minute misconduct. Leaving a 5 minute major and a game misconduct or a match, USA Hockey playing rule 608

If Mn Hockey changed the 2 minute minor to a 5 minute minor plus a 10 minute misconduct I have not viewed that part of their change.
I'm confused--last year checking from behind was a 5 and a 10--5 min major and 10 min misconduct. so the player was out for 15 min. Are you saying it is now a game misconduct?

I believe there are two levels 5/10 and 5/game

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