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O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:31 pm

Yes, our state uses out-of-state evaluators to send players from our affiliate to the District camp. I'm not sure why that automatically means favortism. In almost all cases, these evaluators have no clue who any of the kids are.

The evaluators we use are NCAA coaches. D1 assistants, an occasional D1 head, one D2 head (that narrows it down pretty much!), and D3 guys. Some have come multiple years and others come just once.

So you are using out-of-state evaluators in Minnesota and they show favortism?

It seems like the process there could be improved, but folks on this board - quick to complain - have been very slow to describe the process or offer input on betterment.

Our PD guy just stepped aside after 8 years or so. His work has been emulated by other affiliates, so it sure seems like he's done a great job. Still, there are annual complaints. Always from parents of those that don't make it through!

Bluewhitefan · Post by **Bluewhitefan** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:33 pm

O-townClown wrote:Yes, our state uses out-of-state evaluators to send players from our affiliate to the District camp. I'm not sure why that automatically means favortism. In almost all cases, these evaluators have no clue who any of the kids are.

The evaluators we use are NCAA coaches. D1 assistants, an occasional D1 head, one D2 head (that narrows it down pretty much!), and D3 guys. Some have come multiple years and others come just once.

So you are using out-of-state evaluators in Minnesota and they show favortism?

It seems like the process there could be improved, but folks on this board - quick to complain - have been very slow to describe the process or offer input on betterment.

Our PD guy just stepped aside after 8 years or so. His work has been emulated by other affiliates, so it sure seems like he's done a great job. Still, there are annual complaints. Always from parents of those that don't make it through!

Never said we knew how it happened - just know it happened. Defend the process and the evaluators all you want - they blew it.

hockey8543 · Post by **hockey8543** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:54 pm

Bluewhitefan wrote:
O-townClown wrote:Yes, our state uses out-of-state evaluators to send players from our affiliate to the District camp. I'm not sure why that automatically means favortism. In almost all cases, these evaluators have no clue who any of the kids are.

The evaluators we use are NCAA coaches. D1 assistants, an occasional D1 head, one D2 head (that narrows it down pretty much!), and D3 guys. Some have come multiple years and others come just once.

So you are using out-of-state evaluators in Minnesota and they show favortism?

It seems like the process there could be improved, but folks on this board - quick to complain - have been very slow to describe the process or offer input on betterment.

Our PD guy just stepped aside after 8 years or so. His work has been emulated by other affiliates, so it sure seems like he's done a great job. Still, there are annual complaints. Always from parents of those that don't make it through!
Never said we knew how it happened - just know it happened. Defend the process and the evaluators all you want - they blew it.

I know the process isn't perfect but how do you miss a kid that did stand out, I know people don't like putting kids names out there but I have too on this one. I watched all 6 games of the GOLD. Ryle MaCann, no I'm not his dad or mom, brother, uncle, aunt. I thought he did everything to make the next level.

hockey8543 · Post by **hockey8543** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:59 pm

hockey8543 wrote:
Bluewhitefan wrote:
O-townClown wrote:Yes, our state uses out-of-state evaluators to send players from our affiliate to the District camp. I'm not sure why that automatically means favortism. In almost all cases, these evaluators have no clue who any of the kids are.

The evaluators we use are NCAA coaches. D1 assistants, an occasional D1 head, one D2 head (that narrows it down pretty much!), and D3 guys. Some have come multiple years and others come just once.

So you are using out-of-state evaluators in Minnesota and they show favortism?

It seems like the process there could be improved, but folks on this board - quick to complain - have been very slow to describe the process or offer input on betterment.

Our PD guy just stepped aside after 8 years or so. His work has been emulated by other affiliates, so it sure seems like he's done a great job. Still, there are annual complaints. Always from parents of those that don't make it through!
Never said we knew how it happened - just know it happened. Defend the process and the evaluators all you want - they blew it.
I know the process isn't perfect but how do you miss a kid that did stand out, I know people don't like putting kids names out there but I have too on this one. I watched all 6 games of the GOLD. Ryle MaCann, no I'm not his dad or mom, brother, uncle, aunt. I thought he did everything to make the next level.

Forgot sister

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:15 pm

Blue, I haven't defended the process one bit. I asked what it was. And your comment implies you don't know the process?

greybeard58 · Post by **greybeard58** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:18 pm

They are evaluated on more than games. The minute they sign in till the minute they leave they are evaluated constantly,practice,off time, meals and Class room.

Ugottobekiddingme · Post by **Ugottobekiddingme** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:15 pm

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:56 pm

greybeard58 wrote:They are evaluated on more than games. The minute they sign in till the minute they leave they are evaluated constantly,practice,off time, meals and Class room.

The kids that chose corndogs were cut on the spot?

C-dad · Post by **C-dad** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:05 am

MrBoDangles wrote:
greybeard58 wrote:They are evaluated on more than games. The minute they sign in till the minute they leave they are evaluated constantly,practice,off time, meals and Class room.
The kids that chose corndogs were cut on the spot?

No. Those that were caught reading or posting on this site were.

Chandler23 · Post by **Chandler23** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:10 pm

Get off your knees HockeyDad41... they'll let you know...

Ugottobekiddingme · Post by **Ugottobekiddingme** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:09 pm

Chandler23 wrote:Get off your knees HockeyDad41... they'll let you know...

The following might not be suitable for all viewers and caution is advised....and this is what your brain looks like on hockey.

Puckguy19 · Post by **Puckguy19** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:49 pm

greybeard58 wrote:They are evaluated on more than games. The minute they sign in till the minute they leave they are evaluated constantly,practice,off time, meals and Class room.

I know not even you believe that. The list may not be "final" but it's darn close. What they do, or don't do, off the ice, does not matter.

greybeard58 · Post by **greybeard58** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:35 pm

Puck
Read the brochure and talk with the coaches and you might change your opinion.

dueling21 · Post by **dueling21** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:07 am

Anyone want to tie each of these kids to their home association?

hockey59 · Post by **hockey59** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:26 pm

dueling21 wrote:Anyone want to tie each of these kids to their home association?

F Zimmer, Max Wayzata Ban.
F Jungels, Chase Benilde Var (Edina)
F Tweten, Tanner East Grand Forks Ban.
F Bischoff, Jonah Grand Rapids Ban.
F Kaske, Mark Edina Ban.
F Pitlick, Rem Shattuck Var. (Wayzata)
F Baer, Alec St. Louis Park Var.
F Garin, Will Holy Family Var.
F Jungwirth, Lawrence Shattuck Ban. (Jefferson)
F Bender, Koby Cloquet Ban.
F Versich, Christiano Sibley Ban.
F Freytag, Matthew Wayzata Ban.
F Dornbach, Casey Edina Ban.

D Klehr, Jordan Shattuck (Centennial)
D Newhouse, Ben Benilde Var. (Edina)
D Ausmus, Tye East Grand Forks Ban.
D Heid, Nick Spring Lake Park Var
D Olson, Jacob Hill Murray JV
D Sengvongxay, Toby Luverne Var.
D Ahcan, Jack Burnsville Ban

G Ahrens, Vaughn Wayzata Ban
G Klaers, Conor St. Louis Park Ban.

woodstick · Post by **woodstick** » Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:10 pm

Anyone know how Ausmus is doing? I heard he got banged up in a AAA tourney last weekend. Hope he is okay and able to participate in NY pre-camp.

No talk about physical play during St Cloud. Games seemed to be called really tight and weren't very physical, imo. I imagine kids afraid to get penalties and the focus is on skills?

woodstick · Post by **woodstick** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:23 am

Anyone know how Ausmus is doing? I heard he got banged up in a AAA tourney last weekend. Hope he is okay and able to participate in NY pre-camp.

No talk about physical play during St Cloud. Games seemed to be called really tight and weren't very physical, imo. I imagine kids afraid to get penalties and the focus is on skills?

puckstopper33 · Post by **puckstopper33** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:46 am

Looks like Christiano Versich is second in scoring after two games with 2 goals and 3 assists. Also Tom Novak from STA is tied with eight others with 4 points.

hockeyoldtimer · Post by **hockeyoldtimer** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:45 pm

Will Garin has joined Christiano Versich in the top 6 after 3 games with 5 points.(Versich with 6)
Rem Pitlick, Tanner Tweten, and Tom Novak close behind with 4 points.
The Minnesota boys doing well, good for them.

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:10 pm

So it sounds like Rem did belong there !! So much for all the nay-sayers.

Bluewhitefan · Post by **Bluewhitefan** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:00 pm

old goalie85 wrote:So it sounds like Rem did belong there !! So much for all the nay-sayers.

I didn't see many Rem detractors on this thread - maybe one. The kid is highly skilled and is very effective in spite of his size.

scorekeeper · Post by **scorekeeper** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:01 am

hockeyoldtimer wrote:Will Garin has joined Christiano Versich in the top 6 after 3 games with 5 points.(Versich with 6)
Rem Pitlick, Tanner Tweten, and Tom Novak close behind with 4 points.
The Minnesota boys doing well, good for them.

Novak is a Wisconsin boy, qualified through Central District. In fact, top 3 forwards from around here, Versich, Garin and Novak were all Wisconsin Fire players. Other Fire players representing well are Alec Baer, Evan Robert and Colin Saccoman. Keep it up boys! We are proud of you!

B-Ville Hockey Guy · Post by **B-Ville Hockey Guy** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:10 pm

I watched a bunch of the games and the Minnesota kids looked good. I didn't see any kids that didn't belong. Most of the kids from other areas are bigger and not as skilled skating and stickhandling. The MN kids seemed to see the game and make good plays. There were a couple of Studs that dominated the game but I think that over all our kids made a splash in the festival. Sorry to See Matthew Freytag break his wrist in the last game in the early part of the game on a cheap hitf from behind .
What an awesome experience. The pace of play was incredibe and my son said the instruction was great!! What a great week.

Iceburg · Post by **Iceburg** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:40 pm

An article with some discussion on players attending the camp

"America’s top ‘97s gather at USA Hockey’s Select 15 Player Development Camp"

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