Will there still be a need for the C level with the new AA level starting? Won't B-2 become the new C with so many teams taking one step forward?
Why not have AAAA be the top level so every kid can be an A player?
Change?
C Level
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old goalie85
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Do you think any of the borderline AA players, that barely missed the cut, will be more likely to quit because they're stuck playing B-1(the new B-2)? This two level gap will have many parents/players crying foul. Some will quit, numbers will drop.old goalie85 wrote:Trying to find out what FL is doing @ that level. I think one less C team. We are not going to change much because we will only have AA,B1/whatever/whatever.
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You might be onto something Bo. Moving to AAAA-A teams would all be classified at the USA "A" level. So your "A" team (the old "C" team) could schedule games with AAAA teams so they could get better. And, ALL kids would be elegible for post season select teams.
Just so Bo can understand, I am typing SLOW.
For the upcoming season, the 1st year of this AA/A proposal, BadgerBob thinks most associations will be cautious and will only field AA teams as required. Some, but few will also field an A team. None will field 1AA and 2A teams Most will stay with their former A-B1 mentality so they will just go AA-B1.
BadgerBob also thinks associations will see the A level as a good place to be for many current B1 teams in the top 40-50 of the B1 ranks. So in year 2, I think you will see well over 100 A teams.
Just so Bo can understand, I am typing SLOW.
For the upcoming season, the 1st year of this AA/A proposal, BadgerBob thinks most associations will be cautious and will only field AA teams as required. Some, but few will also field an A team. None will field 1AA and 2A teams Most will stay with their former A-B1 mentality so they will just go AA-B1.
BadgerBob also thinks associations will see the A level as a good place to be for many current B1 teams in the top 40-50 of the B1 ranks. So in year 2, I think you will see well over 100 A teams.
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Here is who MNH thinks will be AA and A.
The document was submitted to me by a District President this morning.
http://youthhockeyhub.com/projected-aa-and-projected-a/
The document was submitted to me by a District President this morning.
http://youthhockeyhub.com/projected-aa-and-projected-a/
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Do you understand the problems that will come from associations fielding AA teams and then next level being B-1(the new B-2)? If you're in a normal size association and don't make the AA team you'll really be in the crapper playing B-1(again, the new B-2). How will players/parents take being down two levels? BadgerBob will be the only one that will have a hard time understanding this.BadgerBob82 wrote:You might be onto something Bo. Moving to AAAA-A teams would all be classified at the USA "A" level. So your "A" team (the old "C" team) could schedule games with AAAA teams so they could get better. And, ALL kids would be elegible for post season select teams.
Just so Bo can understand, I am typing SLOW.
For the upcoming season, the 1st year of this AA/A proposal, BadgerBob thinks most associations will be cautious and will only field AA teams as required. Some, but few will also field an A team. None will field 1AA and 2A teams Most will stay with their former A-B1 mentality so they will just go AA-B1.
BadgerBob also thinks associations will see the A level as a good place to be for many current B1 teams in the top 40-50 of the B1 ranks. So in year 2, I think you will see well over 100 A teams.
Back to the topic.... Will there really be a need for the C level anymore?
Will the C level player feel so far down the totem pole that they'll feel that there's no chance to catch up and quit? How far in the gutter can we put these kids? How will this new program extend the playoffs for them, BadgerBob?
Will MNH get rid of the B-1 State Tournament next?
Bo KNOWS BadgerBob smokes crack.
And again, this will flop hard.
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Bo: Once again, you are only able to think of your own kid in your association.
I'm sorry your kid plays B hockey. I'm sorry you think your association is poorly run and unable to do the right thing for its players. I'm sorry you have a problem with your District and its directors. But you want the status-quo when you are clearly in a bad situation.
You can't handle the fact I am right so you say I smoke crack? Poor little boy you are. Can't keep up with the Jones? Little Bo is going to play B2 hockey and won't play for the Gophers now? Get over yourself! There are more kids playing hockey than little Bo.
I'm sorry your kid plays B hockey. I'm sorry you think your association is poorly run and unable to do the right thing for its players. I'm sorry you have a problem with your District and its directors. But you want the status-quo when you are clearly in a bad situation.
You can't handle the fact I am right so you say I smoke crack? Poor little boy you are. Can't keep up with the Jones? Little Bo is going to play B2 hockey and won't play for the Gophers now? Get over yourself! There are more kids playing hockey than little Bo.
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You have no memory...... I said I'm very happy with our son's current situation. EVERYONE else can remember, why not you? From what everyone tells me my son should be a shoe in(if you must know) to play AA as a first year.. So what's your big point?BadgerBob82 wrote:Bo: Once again, you are only able to think of your own kid in your association.
I'm sorry your kid plays B hockey. I'm sorry you think your association is poorly run and unable to do the right thing for its players. I'm sorry you have a problem with your District and its directors. But you want the status-quo when you are clearly in a bad situation.
You can't handle the fact I am right so you say I smoke crack? Poor little boy you are. Can't keep up with the Jones? Little Bo is going to play B2 hockey and won't play for the Gophers now? Get over yourself! There are more kids playing hockey than little Bo.
How about you? You went from saying your kids were out of Hockey, but you were still involved, to saying your kids have a golf course membership and only do a stprogram.
I bring up mega associations having more than one combined A team and you rip me thinking it's about my kid, then you say Edina needs more than 1 A team a few posts later......
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This type of thing happens over and over with you. You bash, and then totally agree with me. You're a strange one......
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That does not say anything about what the A tournament selection process or B's is. Do you feel you got all the answers from MNH?YouthHockeyHub wrote:Here is who MNH thinks will be AA and A.
The document was submitted to me by a District President this morning.
http://youthhockeyhub.com/projected-aa-and-projected-a/
Re: C Level
Now every player is like Lake Wobegon kids! Above average.MrBoDangles wrote:Will there still be a need for the C level with the new AA level starting? Won't B-2 become the new C with so many teams taking one step forward?
Why not have AAAA be the top level so every kid can be an A player?
Change?
Will MNH get rid of the B-1 State Tournament?
I think they should add B2 and C if there are enough teams.
Baseball offers State tournaments at AAA, AA and A; why not hockey?
There are plenty of rinks and ice available in March.
If you play and practice all year and have a good season you're done after Districts just because?
The economy could use some extra cash being slung around.
I think they should add B2 and C if there are enough teams.
Baseball offers State tournaments at AAA, AA and A; why not hockey?
There are plenty of rinks and ice available in March.
If you play and practice all year and have a good season you're done after Districts just because?
The economy could use some extra cash being slung around.
What about those medium or small associations, their A team is borderline A/AA, now their B team will play more weaker B teams and some current C teams. This could potentially drive those players to move or out of hockey.
This A/AA system has the potential to make the B or lower level player, feel less relevant. Any thought on that?
This A/AA system has the potential to make the B or lower level player, feel less relevant. Any thought on that?
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I thought the process was that nothing changes during the season as far as teams within an association, but then at tournament time they split the A level tournaments into two classes. So if that is the case, is their any provision to have the big boys have a team in both the AA and A tournaments? If an association has two A teams and plays in the AA tournament, wouldn't both A teams play in the AA class?
As far as C teams go, I would think it would stay around, whether or not they re-name A or Banana, the whole point should be to have kids playing against like competition.
As far as C teams go, I would think it would stay around, whether or not they re-name A or Banana, the whole point should be to have kids playing against like competition.
I think there should always be a place for "C" hockey no matter what. MNHockey should get out of the way and let it happen outside their handbook and just let communities field "C" leagues witin themselves or with nearby towns and associations, the old house league per se.
Not every kid needs to or wants to develop, many just want to have fun and play. The more we can do to facilitate that the better the long term health of the game.
One of the best things we can do is bring the game to more kids, not price kids out of the game which is what is happening. All of the focus on AAA/AA/A is great for those families but also only effects less than 10% of all kids playing hockey, the other 90% are paying as well and are pretty much forgotten.
Not every kid needs to or wants to develop, many just want to have fun and play. The more we can do to facilitate that the better the long term health of the game.
One of the best things we can do is bring the game to more kids, not price kids out of the game which is what is happening. All of the focus on AAA/AA/A is great for those families but also only effects less than 10% of all kids playing hockey, the other 90% are paying as well and are pretty much forgotten.
Great point! Some times things that make the most sense just doesn't happen. I'm guessing Minnesota hockey would lose money some how.blindref wrote:Will MNH get rid of the B-1 State Tournament?
I think they should add B2 and C if there are enough teams.
Baseball offers State tournaments at AAA, AA and A; why not hockey?
There are plenty of rinks and ice available in March.
If you play and practice all year and have a good season you're done after Districts just because?
The economy could use some extra cash being slung around.
One important note: I heard some B2 - C teams don't have the willingness to play extra games and/or tournaments. Two years ago we had our association sending out emails to remind parents and players the kids have to show up to both practices and games. Some kids would opt to do others things when they were scheduled for games or practices. I'm guessing in most cases these kids don't rank hockey as high as other activities.