Breaking News: MN Hockey officially adds AA/A

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MrBoDangles
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DumpandChase1 wrote:Bo,

What is it that you want to have happen. You rip on everyone's ideas, but I still don't know what it is that you want MN hockey to do.

Can you please lay out your master plan for all of us?
Nothing. I thought that was obvious.

If they're going to give such an advantage to a few select programs, they should also open up the private sector so families are able to seek out these same advantages.

Families (at the Summer rinks) are already talking about finding their way to these future "AA" programs that will be regulars at the Elite 32 tournament. A few have even lined up the switch.

It will be interesting...
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MrBoDangles wrote:
greybeard58 wrote:From the front page Mn Hockey web site.

Minnesota Hockey adds “AA” State Tournaments for Bantam A and PeeWee A
04/27/2012, 2:00pm (CDT)
By Minnesota Hockey Inc.
Will be conducted on a one-year pilot basis

Since 1951 Minnesota Hockey has been determining state champions at various levels of hockey. As participation in the sport has grown, both in overall numbers and the addition of girls hockey, the number of state tournaments has increased. Since 2006, state tournaments have been conducted at 12 different levels:

· YOUTH - Pee Wee A, Pee Wee B, Bantam A, Bantam B, Junior Gold A, Junior Gold B, and Junior Gold 16

· GIRLS - 12U A, 12U B, 14U A, 14U B, and 19U B.



To address the size disparities amongst our community hockey associations, Minnesota Hockey will be adding a state tournament classification at the Bantam A and PeeWee A levels for the 2012 – 13 season. The additional classification will be identified “AA” and be primarily for A teams from larger associations. The “AA” tournaments are being added as a pilot program and will be reevaluated in the spring of 2013. No other changes are being made to any other state tournament.



“Hockey players dream of playing in a State Tournament,” said Dave Margenau, President of Minnesota Hockey. “The addition of the “AA” classification will provide players from smaller or developing associations the opportunity to realistically compete for a spot in a state tournament. We believe the AA tournament format will accomplish this, however, we are conducting this on a one-year pilot basis to ensure that all our state tournaments continue to best serve our entire membership in the long term”


Highlights of the “AA” classification process include:

· An association’s tournament classification (“A” or “AA”) is determined by the classification of the boys’ high school programs defined by the geographical area the association serves.

· For associations who co-op for 2012-13, their classification will correspond to the highest high school classification of the co-op associations.

· Associations may request a change in their classification, regardless of size. Requests can be made to move up or down. Association classification must be the same for both the Bantam and PeeWee level.

· All requests for classification change must be received no later than October 6th, 2012.

· All requests will be carefully considered and final determination made by the Minnesota Hockey Competition Committee.

· Please note, the “AA” classification is solely for Regional and State Tournament purposes.

· “AA” Regional/State Tournament teams are still considered “A” teams during the regular season.



Highlights of the “AA” tournament format include:

· Four (4) eight-team “AA” regional tournaments will be conducted at both the Bantam and Pee Wee levels to determine the teams advancing to the “AA” state tournament

· Two (2) teams from each “AA” regional tournament will be seeded into the state tournament.

· If a district has one or two “AA” classified teams, those teams automatically advance to a regional tournament.

· If a district has three or more “AA” teams, that district will be awarded additional seeds to the regional tournaments to fill the remaining 32 spots. Those additional seeds will be awarded proportionally amongst the Districts who have three or more “AA” teams.

· Districts are responsible for determining the teams and the seeding order of the teams advancing from their District to the Regional Tournaments.

· The location of the “AA” regional and state tournaments has not yet been determined.



Please contact your district director with any specific questions or comments. Contact information for all district directors can be found at http://www.minnesotahockey.org/page/show/86521.



If you would like to offer a general comment, please direct that to info@minnesotahockey.org
""Please note, the "AA" classification will be solely for the *Regional and *State tournament purposes"" ~MNH's article from above

How would the AA/A teams compete together in Districts and then move on to seperate regionals? And they expect stronger B-1 teams to move up to the new A level?

Greybeard?
Play against each other in the District playoffs and then seperate for Regionals?

Grey?
DumpandChase1
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Post by DumpandChase1 »

The elite 32 will be the same if they are A or AA, and lets be honest, it is really 10 to 15, not 32. So why wouldn't those same people look at moving to the top associations if everyone stays at 1 level. Your saying they will only leave if it goes A/AA? Doesn't make sense to me.
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DumpandChase1 wrote:The elite 32 will be the same if they are A or AA, and lets be honest, it is really 10 to 15, not 32. So why wouldn't those same people look at moving to the top associations if everyone stays at 1 level. Your saying they will only leave if it goes A/AA? Doesn't make sense to me.
It will be about being able to wear that new "AA" State/Regional sweatshirt.

The more levels MN Hockey create..... Means all the more kids at the wrong level. The talented kid that is only offered B-1 is two levels away now from where he's supposed to play. The very talented kid on a borderline AA team will bail for this new AA definition that is "solely"(MNH ARTICLE) for teams in the regional and state tournament. :idea:

A good portion of mega association A teams are already made up of move-ins by the time they go to High School.

Not a problem at the mega association....... At least not until your kid gets bumped. :D
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Bo: I apologize for calling you names. I didn't know you were such a tender sole. I have been very clear this AA/A proposal is not about my kid wearing the "AA" sweatshirt. Apparently it is for you?

As Greybeard is trying to say, the regular season (Think October-Feb 15th) will not change. Maybe some tournaments will better align for AA and A? The only change is District playoffs. And I will wager (my house) that the same 3-4 teams come out of D10 Districts making regionals each year? Anoka and Champlin will remain AA teams yet will still rarely make it to regionals. And my guess is Cambridge-Isanti, St. Francis or Princeton may not make Districts at all, get bounced in a play-in game, or don't advance to Regions? With an AA-A format, Princeton could make it to the A level state tournament continuing their season for a month and providing the kids the opportunity to compete for a State title. Competing in games for District Championship, Regional Championship and State Championship are more beneficial than competing in a game hoping to put 5-10 shots on goal and hold the score below 10.

If having your son in the right sweatshirt is truly that important, you know the answer is to move to the city that has the association you want your son to play for. You would not be the first family to send Mom and kid to another city for the school year living in an apartment.

Thinking a different way, look at the Cisar family. 3 very talented hockey players playing for a bottom tier high school team. Putting up insane points. They play a rather weak schedule and when they play "good" teams, they get trounced. (Though the Cisar brothers still usually manage 3-4 points) Under your line of thinking, they should have waivered or moved to the nearest bestest program to wear the right sweatshirt?

My point being, just being on the ice with elite players doesn't translate into hockey development.
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BadgerBob82 wrote:Bo: I apologize for calling you names. I didn't know you were such a tender sole. I have been very clear this AA/A proposal is not about my kid wearing the "AA" sweatshirt. Apparently it is for you?

As Greybeard is trying to say, the regular season (Think October-Feb 15th) will not change. Maybe some tournaments will better align for AA and A? The only change is District playoffs. And I will wager (my house) that the same 3-4 teams come out of D10 Districts making regionals each year? Anoka and Champlin will remain AA teams yet will still rarely make it to regionals. And my guess is Cambridge-Isanti, St. Francis or Princeton may not make Districts at all, get bounced in a play-in game, or don't advance to Regions? With an AA-A format, Princeton could make it to the A level state tournament continuing their season for a month and providing the kids the opportunity to compete for a State title. Competing in games for District Championship, Regional Championship and State Championship are more beneficial than competing in a game hoping to put 5-10 shots on goal and hold the score below 10.

If having your son in the right sweatshirt is truly that important, you know the answer is to move to the city that has the association you want your son to play for. You would not be the first family to send Mom and kid to another city for the school year living in an apartment.

Thinking a different way, look at the Cisar family. 3 very talented hockey players playing for a bottom tier high school team. Putting up insane points. They play a rather weak schedule and when they play "good" teams, they get trounced. (Though the Cisar brothers still usually manage 3-4 points) Under your line of thinking, they should have waivered or moved to the nearest bestest program to wear the right sweatshirt?

My point being, just being on the ice with elite players doesn't translate into hockey development.
Did you have your kids opt down to the C level(so they could be the stars) if competition level isn't important?

Read through the A/AA threads again and try to take something in.
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Post by BadgerBob82 »

Bo: You're hard to figure out. I never said the level isn't important, it should be the correct level. So why would anyone have an A player opt to the B or C level?

If I connect the dots, you view your kid as an AA level player? Only your association only offers B level hockey?

I can see that as a frustrating situation. However, the AA-A proposal wouldn't change that?
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