Independent Cup

Spehar33 · Post by **Spehar33** » Tue May 22, 2012 3:43 pm

Irish eyes = Blades asst' coach. I.E. the father of the kid who falls down repeatedly and shots 10 feet over the net. Were waiting with baited breath for your Brick roster. Nice ruse.

Blades=Tiny dancers

dogeatdog1 · Post by **dogeatdog1** » Tue May 22, 2012 3:46 pm

Spehar33 wrote:Nick Checco, is that really you? Long time, no see...eh buddy? Hey Checco, I think your premature balding may have been affecting your brain capacities. I would not call the Blades beating the Machine in Chicago, "dominant". It was 4-1. The Machine is going through a transition with Bernie taking over the Orange, so a lot of kids are getting used to it and the first couple of tournaments have been a feeling out process of where best to put kids. Development was a higher priority. No big deal, they are 10 right? It is hard to assign rankings because they are 10. As we see in the NHL, NCAA and even at HS last year with LVS beating DE at State that the most talented team doesn't always win. The 02 Orange is vastly more talented than the Blades. The Blades have a bunch of little, scrappy hockey players that one day will make some nice Dan Labosky's & other little HS superstars. The 02 Orange has got some big time athletes that are figuring out their roles. The Orange embarrased them in Winnipeg last year and won the Caribou over them...so I don't know how one game in Chicago can change the perception that the Blades are somehow better. If you had to pick the most talented kids for one team between the two teams, 10 of the 15 would be from the Machine along with both Machine goalies.

Also, about the comment about the Blades playing at the 01 level. The Blades played at the 02 level last year...and didn't even make it to the championship game!! They lost to Synergy/Euro in the semi's. And Euro beat Machine Black. So, it makes sense to get ready for the Brick that they'd move up, but they couldn't even win their own level last year so they would've had a lot of trouble with either Euro or MB this year.

Like I said, anyone can hang or beat anyone on any given day...the nature of young hockey players...but in terms of talent, it's any easy call.

1. Orange
2. a) Blades
b) Machine Black
3. Euro America

Big gap
Then maybe Miracle Gold, Lake Superior Stars (if they have #74)

Oh my!!!! the Dog can't pass up taking a bite out of this one. Spehar? talking about having bigtime atheletes? The smallest no hit wonder at the U and breakaway specialist commenting about having big time atheletes? you should have said they (little Blades) will grow up to be Spehar like highschool stars that do nothing in college. Sorry to call you out but if you are going to have a monikar like that someone has to take a shot.

Jerry Lundegaard · Post by **Jerry Lundegaard** » Tue May 22, 2012 3:47 pm

Geezo Peezo Margie!

You have to look all the way back to the 2000's since we seen this much squabblin from the Orange and Blades camps.

Spehar33 · Post by **Spehar33** » Tue May 22, 2012 3:49 pm

One last thing about the S & S schedule. There was only one weak team for the Orange. That OC team. And they were a lot better last year, so there is no way to have guessed that they were that much worse. The team from Saskastchewan was a very good team, the the A.R. team had very good skaters and athletes and had Shane Doan's kid and some other Coyotes kids, Orange just had a great game and swamped them. BC Bears were one of the best team up in Winnipeg last summer and beyond and the Orange outplayed them, and the game against the Jets was very close. Jets only outshot the Orange about 5-7 shots. Pretty evenly skated. Jets just converted more of their opportunities. Equal amount of quality scoring chances. Irish, your getting your information from the wrong people (and we know who they are) and embellishing the rest. Have fun in Edmonton!

hipcheck62 · Post by **hipcheck62** » Tue May 22, 2012 3:52 pm

As an impartial observer, doesn't the fact that the two teams played give the winning team the right to claim superiority? At least until they play again? You can't go back to last year since the rosters are not the same.

Irisheyes02 · Post by **Irisheyes02** » Tue May 22, 2012 4:04 pm

Blades=Tiny Dancers? That is funny on 2 levels. First off, it is just funny. Secondly, my favorite musical artist is Elton John and my favorite song is. . .Tiny Dancer. How awesome, eh! I listen to it every day as I drive my 4 year old to Speed Academy. Bernie said he will make my kid an NHLer and by god I believe him. My kid hates the academy but who cares.
Spehar 33, thanks for the extra info on the S&S tourney. Good stuff, although we both know you know the schedule was cream puff. There is no doubt though that you bleed Orange. Bernie is so proud of you right now sticking up for the empire. D E L U S I O N A L!

XOXO,
Lou Holtz aka The Ruser

This is nuts! · Post by **This is nuts!** » Tue May 22, 2012 4:05 pm

Getting my Popcorn out for this one.... The funny thing is the kids could cares less.

If the the blades and machine played 10 times, 1 of the them would win 6 of the games and it would be a coin toss as to which team.

Titfortat · Post by **Titfortat** » Tue May 22, 2012 4:11 pm

Spehar should think about suing for defamation of character. I find it very unlikely that a player that had such a storied high school career would be on a stupid youth hockey forum talking about 9 year old hockey.

Biscuitinthebasket · Post by **Biscuitinthebasket** » Tue May 22, 2012 4:11 pm

This is Nuts,

Well said.

Biscuit

This is nuts! · Post by **This is nuts!** » Tue May 22, 2012 4:13 pm

Biscuitinthebasket wrote:This is Nuts,

Well said.

Biscuit

edgeless2 · Post by **edgeless2** » Tue May 22, 2012 4:30 pm

Spehar33=another obnoxious bitter East fan with a keyboard. Living in the past but hanging on tight to that Duluth inferiority complex. No matter how much you whine pal it's not this bored's fault that your kids Orange team is the first one in years that hasn't dominated the blades/machine conversation. By the way LVS was the better team this year.

Toomuchtoosoon · Post by **Toomuchtoosoon** » Tue May 22, 2012 6:09 pm

This is the best Dance Mom's episode yet! I need to pitch the Dance Mom's: Edina episode to hollywood. But instead of a dance studio, we move it to the Minnesota Made lobby with the wall of fame in back.

Mo Wanchuk · Post by **Mo Wanchuk** » Tue May 22, 2012 7:01 pm

Irisheyes02 wrote:
slow and robotic = orange.

You've been watching your '02 Machine Orange kid too much. Try watching some of the other kids, they are fast and quick.

The Huge Hook · Post by **The Huge Hook** » Tue May 22, 2012 7:48 pm

Spehar33 wrote:Irish eyes = Blades asst' coach. I.E. the father of the kid who falls down repeatedly and shots 10 feet over the net. Were waiting with baited breath for your Brick roster. Nice ruse.

Blades=Tiny dancers

No, no NO. You just called out a 9 yr. old kid for inadequacies in his game. BTW, you are clueless, kid is a very good player. Drop it!

You have shown your hockey ignorance on multiple levels. And he doesn't shot 10 feet over the net, he shoots 10 feet over the net like each and every other Machine/Blades kid. Picking uppers is VERY cool to a 9 yr. old.

Let's get this sucker locked-up.

Napalm187 · Post by **Napalm187** » Tue May 22, 2012 9:01 pm

This is amusing. Love to see the subterfuge and people posing as members of rival teams. You can't make this stuff up.

What's with all the Blades parents trying to undermine the Machine team? That is something I've never seen before...

mnhockey2019 · Post by **mnhockey2019** » Tue May 22, 2012 9:56 pm

This is great. Some say the Orange players are bigger than the Blades little hockey players and then someone else says the Orange are fast and quick, yet the Blades beat the fast and quick bigger Orange team. Miraculous. Spehar calling out a 9 or 10 year old out by saying Irisheyes is an assistant coach is bush league. Hopefully next year Spehar's kid can make the Orange team so he doesn't feel so much hate. Good luck to junior.

MNM JMH · Post by **MNM JMH** » Tue May 22, 2012 10:05 pm

mnhockey2019 wrote:This is great. Some say the Orange players are bigger than the Blades little hockey players and then someone else says the Orange are fast and quick, yet the Blades beat the fast and quick bigger Orange team. Miraculous. Spehar calling out a 9 or 10 year old out by saying Irisheyes is an assistant coach is bush league. Hopefully next year Spehar's kid can make the Orange team so he doesn't feel so much hate. Good luck to junior.

Orange is bigger, and faster... Can't disagree with that.

Toomuchtoosoon · Post by **Toomuchtoosoon** » Tue May 22, 2012 10:18 pm

I really wish a lot of the 02, 03, 04 parents would have taken some time to take some time to watch the 96 machine play this weekend at the superrink. This was the zenith of Machine teams. Most everyall of the players are ending up to be great players at 15/16. They dominated as youth, no one was close. 2/3+ of the originals played together this weekend and it was fun to see the band back together again.

However, many have caught them and even passed them up.
The fact that the games were close validates the premise that kids catch up and the early studs don't alwasys dominate like they did as youth.

I heard one Machine parent wishing that number 5 on MG should be playing with them. If Mr. Norman was on the Machine, my money would have been with the winning the 'ship. So if it boils down to an extremely talented player making a difference in winning or losing, why do the rest feel they are being served by paying big bucks to play with the big team? Piss and moan all you like about this player and that making a difference, but in the end, it is those players who will most likely have the opportunity to make it big. It is not the third liner on those teams, but the stud on the first who dominates the competition. As talented as Norman and the Pitlick phenom are, they will not play at the next level if they do not grow. Keep that in mind when you dish out the big bucks for developing your 10 year old.

It was extemely entertaining to watch this weekend. I saw the Wisconsin and MG games and was extremely entertained. The machine was pushed to the limit all weekend. They persevered some times, then lost a heartbreaker in the final. Not an indictment of the machine, but more of an affirmation that early success does not guarantee future results.

No doubt all the machin kids were talented and, some will have a chance at the ultimate prize, however, it is clear that there are many ways to develop. Genetics still rule, not where they played as 10 year olds.

Irish · Post by **Irish** » Tue May 22, 2012 10:30 pm

Ahhh the good old days of who's better? Blades or Machine.

Do you know how many parents and coaches out there are trying to put the next best team together. If they can get this player and that player they will beat the Blades and Machine next year.

Believe me parents it's very comical have gone though this year after year. Reading this garbage. When the kids are about 11-12 the others start catching up in size, speed and skill.
The main difference before the age of 12 is ice time, ice time, ice time. The more ice time the more development. Pure and simple. Keep in mind there are a lot of athletes playing baseball and lacrosse.

Remember: Hockey is a marathon not a sprint.

Spehar33 · Post by **Spehar33** » Tue May 22, 2012 10:58 pm

This will be the last breakaway on this board from 'ol 33...but a couple of last points. Too much too soon, is right about something. There are really only about 5-10 elite players in each birth year. Then there is a giant pool of 20-30 great players. Credit AAA hockey in general for raising the standards of MN hockey because about 20 years ago, back in the heyday...there were only about 2-5 (if that) truly elite players in each birth year and only 15-20 great ones.

If the Orange played the Blades they would beat them 7or 8 times out of 10.

The only thing I view as bush league is rival coaches and parents posing as parents on rival teams to stir up dissension and chatter. It is bush league to pose as another team parents and talk bad about that team. You can hide behind a moniker (like me) but make clear who you are. Don't be a blade parent and act like a machine parent to stir up the pot. At least be somewhat honest. I have a lot of respect for that 2000 Machine asst. coach who came out on the board a summer or two ago and used his real name as his moniker and answered all the chatter with honesty. Novel concept. There is one parent in particular who is behind all of this nonsense and it is ridiculous how much time he has spent trying to undermine things that are none of his business.

Post by **karl(east)** » Tue May 22, 2012 11:24 pm

edgeless2 wrote:Spehar33=another obnoxious bitter East fan with a keyboard. Living in the past but hanging on tight to that Duluth inferiority complex. No matter how much you whine pal it's not this bored's fault that your kids Orange team is the first one in years that hasn't dominated the blades/machine conversation. By the way LVS was the better team this year.

Let's not draw East into this, shall we? Kind of irrelevant...

Sorry, it still hurts.

And, to be clear, this thread was not locked because of this comment.