Lakeville North Head Coach

rainier · Post by **rainier** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:55 am

I'm a northern MN guy, thus I have no dog in this fight. From my point of view, it's great that LN made some state tourneys, but it does seem like they lose ALOT of their tops guys to other HS, juniors, etc. If the best players don't have confidence that their coach can make them better then it IS time to find a coach that can.

blamenoone · Post by **blamenoone** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:16 am

As far as play offs and the thought of going to state, yes it will be very hard to accomplish! Due to the fact that over the years LNHS has lost so many good players and of course loosing Lindgren is huge. If it weren't for the lack of leadership in the former coaching staff we would still have at least 3 very good players this season still playing for LNHS. With new coaches in the program who seem to want to work with the youth program, maybe the up coming "good players " will stay! Maybe they will have an advocate to hockey beyond high school.....That is truly something the Seniors of the last several year definitely did not have, who knows had we had a better, caring coaching staff LNHS may have produced a couple D1 players.

Jethrotull · Post by **Jethrotull** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:47 pm

They have already earned respect in their fields, on and off the ice. As for the future season, first years are always a learning and building year. Nuf said.....

keepyourheadup · Post by **keepyourheadup** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:47 pm

From what I understand LN is not loaded at the youth levels. Its going to take time to see the results many are hoping for. Truth be told LS has lost more over the last 4 years than LN, granted the three seniors not at north would make a huge difference this year. With all the off season hockey now being played if a kid has D1 potential its pretty hard not to get noticed. I hope this change is for the better but lets hope those who are convinced that Randy was the problem have patience with the new guy.

Tigers33 · Post by **Tigers33** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:12 am

2-4? Let me guess its the coaches fault...

Come on people, just realize maybe the team isnt all that great. Thats okay. Will you not love them the same if they lose? I hope not!

Jimbo99 · Post by **Jimbo99** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:36 am

blamenoone wrote:who knows had we had a better, caring coaching staff LNHS may have produced a couple D1 players.

That's funny!!

stopper1 · Post by **stopper1** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:15 pm

Jimbo99 wrote:
blamenoone wrote:who knows had we had a better, caring coaching staff LNHS may have produced a couple D1 players.
That's funny!!

I wonder if blamenoone is the kid who didn't get to play as much as he thought he should or the parent?? If you don't go D1 it must be the coaching!

UND · Post by **UND** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:21 pm

I watched their last 2 games. They simple don't have much talent.

The X · Post by **The X** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:37 pm

UND wrote:I watched their last 2 games. They simple don't have much talent.

I think L. North has Wienecki (sp?) and that is about it. B. Wienecki really impressed Me in the games I saw Him play last year as a Junior. Natural scorer with great vision of the rink. Playing in all star series at end of last year He was schooling some pretty good players on the other teams. Is this kid considered a D-1 prospect, is He on anyones radar? No, I have no connections to L. North or Wienecki, just saw Him play some games and was impressed. Very well could be a diamond in the rough for a D-1 scout if Blake is still available, IMO.

keepyourheadup · Post by **keepyourheadup** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:51 pm

Just to clarify.....the 3 LN kids being referred to, were all allowed to play/tryout as ninth graders...what was wrong, should they have been playing as 8th graders.

shoottowin · Post by **shoottowin** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:44 pm

Saw North vs AV - didn't see much from Winiecki - didn't see much from anyone except North's goalie Hart - looked solid. Where'd he come from - thought they didn't have anything in the net with Lindgren gone? 32 shots vs 11 shots? That pretty much sums it up for North....

The X · Post by **The X** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:29 pm

shoottowin wrote:Saw North vs AV - didn't see much from Winiecki - didn't see much from anyone except North's goalie Hart - looked solid. Where'd he come from - thought they didn't have anything in the net with Lindgren gone? 32 shots vs 11 shots? That pretty much sums it up for North....

Ok, I see Wienieki has 5g, 6a for 11 in 6 games. Not to shabby I guess. He looked really good with good players around Him end of last year. Good size, great hands.

stopper1 · Post by **stopper1** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:35 pm

The X wrote:
shoottowin wrote:Saw North vs AV - didn't see much from Winiecki - didn't see much from anyone except North's goalie Hart - looked solid. Where'd he come from - thought they didn't have anything in the net with Lindgren gone? 32 shots vs 11 shots? That pretty much sums it up for North....
Ok, I see Wienieki has 5g, 6a for 11 in 6 games. Not to shabby I guess. He looked really good with good players around Him end of last year. Good size, great hands.

From what I have seen of him the only thing holding him back from being a great player and legitimate D-1 prospect is his speed/quickness. If he can get that he has a good shot at playing D-1 hockey somewhere and having some success there.

Tigers33 · Post by **Tigers33** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:19 pm

How did it work out for the new coaches?

RickyTicky · Post by **RickyTicky** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:27 am

[quote="Tigers33"]How did it work out for the new coaches?[/quote]

Ohhh better be careful Tigers, sore subject in Lakeville

Let's compare;

-Under the "incompetent" Coach Schmitz last year..

15-15-1, upset heavy favorite LS to be Section 1AA champs, State Tournament Consolation winner (best any Lakeville team has ever done).

-Under the new "Dream team" coaching staff this year..

14-14.. Blown out in section final..

Can't wait to hear the excuses out of North parents this year

stopper1 · Post by **stopper1** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:50 am

Here is a good and true story about the new coaches. Before a game a fan/parent had noticed a player chewing tobacco. This person had informed the coaches about the situation which they should have. When the coaches went to the player to talk about the situation they were also chewing tobacco.A ll as there playing careers may have been this is the intelligence they have. I have nephewsin the system and one that played this year and are both average players. They swear AT kids not just casual swearing which I can accept. The coaches will be getting a meeting from and my sister about this. I could care less if my nephew gets a shift of varsity hockey as long as he is having fun and getting a great experience. When coaches are chewing tobacco and swearing at kids NOW i have an issue. This isn't pro hockey or college hockey or junior hockey. This is high school hockey which is an EXTENSION OF EDUCATION for kids. As a former professional athlete I am extremely upset with these guys. They are not teachers or role models for anyone. Just former players who shouldn't be involved at this level.

Mnhockey83 · Post by **Mnhockey83** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:18 am

Stopper you are right about that story but why would you say they shouldn't be involved in high school hockey anymore? It was there first year coaching at this level where they probably didn't realize they shouldn't be doing it like they were able to in years past. And from what I've heard since the situation they have not done it in front of and players or parents. And for the swearing part of it. Yeah I bet the coaches do swear sometimes, but I bet they don't swear directly at a player. And I can guarantee you there a plenty of other high school coaches that swear as well.

stopper1 · Post by **stopper1** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:36 am

Mnhockey83 wrote:Stopper you are right about that story but why would you say they shouldn't be involved in high school hockey anymore? It was there first year coaching at this level where they probably didn't realize they shouldn't be doing it like they were able to in years past. And from what I've heard since the situation they have not done it in front of and players or parents. And for the swearing part of it. Yeah I bet the coaches do swear sometimes, but I bet they don't swear directly at a player. And I can guarantee you there a plenty of other high school coaches that swear as well.

Like I said I could care less about casual swearing. They swear AT kids thats where I have an issue. They do chew in front of kids did you not agree with the facts I just wrote? Please read it again maybe you missed something. As for giving them slack because its there first year REALLY! They applied for a job and in doing so you had better know what that job is and how it is done. I am sure that they knew they were coaching kids and not adults. Big difference. No excuse for there behavior. If your kid was in class and the teacher was swearing at him/her wouldn't you do something about it. Or would you let it go because it was the teachers 1st year teaching and they didn't know any better? I know I sure wouldn't. You must remember that athletics are an EXTENSION OF EDUCATION at the high school level and the less than 1% of all athletes that get to move on to next level can have the swearing and performance issues. These guys are salesmen trying to sell hockey and clinics. Thats what they do. They could care less about the kids unless the kids parents are paying them in the summer to go to there camps. Are you blinded by this.

Hockeyguru29 · Post by **Hockeyguru29** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:13 pm

stopper1 wrote:
Mnhockey83 wrote:Stopper you are right about that story but why would you say they shouldn't be involved in high school hockey anymore? It was there first year coaching at this level where they probably didn't realize they shouldn't be doing it like they were able to in years past. And from what I've heard since the situation they have not done it in front of and players or parents. And for the swearing part of it. Yeah I bet the coaches do swear sometimes, but I bet they don't swear directly at a player. And I can guarantee you there a plenty of other high school coaches that swear as well.
Like I said I could care less about casual swearing. They swear AT kids thats where I have an issue. They do chew in front of kids did you not agree with the facts I just wrote? Please read it again maybe you missed something. As for giving them slack because its there first year REALLY! They applied for a job and in doing so you had better know what that job is and how it is done. I am sure that they knew they were coaching kids and not adults. Big difference. No excuse for there behavior. If your kid was in class and the teacher was swearing at him/her wouldn't you do something about it. Or would you let it go because it was the teachers 1st year teaching and they didn't know any better? I know I sure wouldn't. You must remember that athletics are an EXTENSION OF EDUCATION at the high school level and the less than 1% of all athletes that get to move on to next level can have the swearing and performance issues. These guys are salesmen trying to sell hockey and clinics. Thats what they do. They could care less about the kids unless the kids parents are paying them in the summer to go to there camps. Are you blinded by this.

Mnhockey83 · Post by **Mnhockey83** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:14 am

How do you know they directly swear at kids? And like I already said, since the incident they have not chewed in front of the team. I think maybe you missed something. And yeah obviously I wouldn't want a coach or teacher doing it in front of any kids, but you act like they haven't changed since the situation, when clearly they have.

mulefarm · Post by **mulefarm** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:51 am

Were is the AD. Coaches work under him and the Principal. Looks like the Lakeville district has great leadership.

stopper1 · Post by **stopper1** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:12 am

Mnhockey83 wrote:How do you know they directly swear at kids? And like I already said, since the incident they have not chewed in front of the team. I think maybe you missed something. And yeah obviously I wouldn't want a coach or teacher doing it in front of any kids, but you act like they haven't changed since the situation, when clearly they have.

I have a family member on the team like I stated before. The fact is the coaches should have never been doing it in front of them to begin with. That is just flat out stupid. And they do still do it at the rink and before games. I have personally seen it. I have no respect for these guys. They shouldn't be coaching kids. It was a poor decision by administration and the Lakeville board member/members who were involved in the hiring process.

Puckguy19 · Post by **Puckguy19** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:19 pm

stopper1 wrote:
Mnhockey83 wrote:How do you know they directly swear at kids? And like I already said, since the incident they have not chewed in front of the team. I think maybe you missed something. And yeah obviously I wouldn't want a coach or teacher doing it in front of any kids, but you act like they haven't changed since the situation, when clearly they have.
I have a family member on the team like I stated before. The fact is the coaches should have never been doing it in front of them to begin with. That is just flat out stupid. And they do still do it at the rink and before games. I have personally seen it. I have no respect for these guys. They shouldn't be coaching kids. It was a poor decision by administration and the Lakeville board member/members who were involved in the hiring process.

Step back from the ledge, it will all work out, no need to jump! Why the difference between swearing At the players, and swearing in general. It's not needed, nor does it add to the conversation. Really it just shows ones ignorance. If a coach has to, or chooses to, swear to motivate his team, that says alot, or a little, about his team.

Mnhockey83 · Post by **Mnhockey83** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:20 pm

I have been to every game since then and I have not seen them doing it. And you are one of the only people who would say they have no respect for them because I personally know MANY people who have full respect for them because of how much they know about the game of hockey and how much they have helped players on the team this season improve, as well as helping several times a week with youth teams, which the previous coaches never did EVER. Yeah sounds like a real poor decision by the administration, your right there not doing anything good for the program?

greasy mitts · Post by **greasy mitts** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:46 pm

stopper1 wrote:Here is a good and true story about the new coaches. Before a game a fan/parent had noticed a player chewing tobacco. This person had informed the coaches about the situation which they should have. When the coaches went to the player to talk about the situation they were also chewing tobacco.A ll as there playing careers may have been this is the intelligence they have. I have nephewsin the system and one that played this year and are both average players. They swear AT kids not just casual swearing which I can accept. The coaches will be getting a meeting from and my sister about this. I could care less if my nephew gets a shift of varsity hockey as long as he is having fun and getting a great experience. When coaches are chewing tobacco and swearing at kids NOW i have an issue. This isn't pro hockey or college hockey or junior hockey. This is high school hockey which is an EXTENSION OF EDUCATION for kids. As a former professional athlete I am extremely upset with these guys. They are not teachers or role models for anyone. Just former players who shouldn't be involved at this level.

You honestly have no clue whats going on. Your probably the parent of that kid anyways. Why would the player be chewing in the first place? That kid must be going places huh? But ya lets keep ripping on the north coaches some more, because thats real mature. Great parenting.

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