Section 4AA

East Side Pioneer Guy · Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:00 pm

Hill's win over Moorhead was encouraging, but it would have been more encouraging if Moorhead had taken some interest in winning. They played like their section had already been seeded and they had to take a 4 hour bus ride for a meaningless game.

Go figure.

BodyShots · Post by **BodyShots** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:59 pm

Goalie-Dad wrote:WBL is over-rated.

http://www.mnhockeyhub.com/news_article ... _id=462459

They have 7 losses to non-top ten teams. No wins against top 20 teams.

I would not be surprised to see a team other than WBL face Hill Murray in the finals. And after watching Hill destroy Moorhead last Saturday - good luck to the other team.

Over rated by who? I don't see them rated by too many sources.

They won a very weak SEC. Outside the conference they finished 1-6. Although the only bad loss outside the conference was to CEC. The others were all to top rated teams (DE, LS, HM, Edina, GR). The team they had the most difficulty with in the SEC was Hastings, who beat them twice. But, Hastings isn't in this Section.

HM has an easy path to the X. Who knows who their last opponent will be to get there.

Gems · Post by **Gems** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:30 pm

East Side Pioneer Guy wrote:Hill's win over Moorhead was encouraging, but it would have been more encouraging if Moorhead had taken some interest in winning. They played like their section had already been seeded and they had to take a 4 hour bus ride for a meaningless game.

Go figure.

It's a long shot but if we see some upsets and these teams both make it to state, I would say that it was not a meaningless game with seedings to be had...and having played the game, you don't take a four hour bus ride and go through the motions...

Goalie-Dad · Post by **Goalie-Dad** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:36 am

BodyShots wrote:
Goalie-Dad wrote:WBL is over-rated.

http://www.mnhockeyhub.com/news_article ... _id=462459

They have 7 losses to non-top ten teams. No wins against top 20 teams.

I would not be surprised to see a team other than WBL face Hill Murray in the finals. And after watching Hill destroy Moorhead last Saturday - good luck to the other team.
Over rated by who? I don't see them rated by too many sources.

They won a very weak SEC. Outside the conference they finished 1-6. Although the only bad loss outside the conference was to CEC. The others were all to top rated teams (DE, LS, HM, Edina, GR). The team they had the most difficulty with in the SEC was Hastings, who beat them twice. But, Hastings isn't in this Section.

HM has an easy path to the X. Who knows who their last opponent will be to get there.

Read the article, Hockey Hub has a Hill/WBL final prediction. I can see Hll as a good candidate for the finals. But WBL does not have the talent to comfortably predict wins over the Govies or Roseville/NSP. WBL split with Roseville. NSP battled Hill in a tough 5-4 loss.

BodyShots · Post by **BodyShots** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:53 am

Goalie-Dad wrote:
BodyShots wrote:
Goalie-Dad wrote:WBL is over-rated.

http://www.mnhockeyhub.com/news_article ... _id=462459

They have 7 losses to non-top ten teams. No wins against top 20 teams.

I would not be surprised to see a team other than WBL face Hill Murray in the finals. And after watching Hill destroy Moorhead last Saturday - good luck to the other team.
Over rated by who? I don't see them rated by too many sources.

They won a very weak SEC. Outside the conference they finished 1-6. Although the only bad loss outside the conference was to CEC. The others were all to top rated teams (DE, LS, HM, Edina, GR). The team they had the most difficulty with in the SEC was Hastings, who beat them twice. But, Hastings isn't in this Section.

HM has an easy path to the X. Who knows who their last opponent will be to get there.
Read the article, Hockey Hub has a Hill/WBL final prediction. I can see Hll as a good candidate for the finals. But WBL does not have the talent to comfortably predict wins over the Govies or Roseville/NSP. WBL split with Roseville. NSP battled Hill in a tough 5-4 loss.

Yep, I read it again, and still don't see any ratings.

Now the title of the article "Section 4AA Preview: Top seeds Hill-Murray and White Bear Lake seem destined to duel again." mentions the top two seeds are destined to duel again. I don't think that is going out on a limb, since they are the top two seeds.

Now maybe instead of over rated, you mean they were seeded to high. If that is the case, how would you have seeded this section? Please give legitimate reasons for your changes.

Goalie-Dad · Post by **Goalie-Dad** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:50 pm

BodyShots wrote:
Goalie-Dad wrote:
BodyShots wrote: Over rated by who? I don't see them rated by too many sources.

They won a very weak SEC. Outside the conference they finished 1-6. Although the only bad loss outside the conference was to CEC. The others were all to top rated teams (DE, LS, HM, Edina, GR). The team they had the most difficulty with in the SEC was Hastings, who beat them twice. But, Hastings isn't in this Section.

HM has an easy path to the X. Who knows who their last opponent will be to get there.
Read the article, Hockey Hub has a Hill/WBL final prediction. I can see Hll as a good candidate for the finals. But WBL does not have the talent to comfortably predict wins over the Govies or Roseville/NSP. WBL split with Roseville. NSP battled Hill in a tough 5-4 loss.
Yep, I read it again, and still don't see any ratings. :roll:

Now the title of the article "Section 4AA Preview: Top seeds Hill-Murray and White Bear Lake seem destined to duel again." mentions the top two seeds are destined to duel again. I don't think that is going out on a limb, since they are the top two seeds.

Now maybe instead of over rated, you mean they were seeded to high. If that is the case, how would you have seeded this section? Please give legitimate reasons for your changes. :P

Direct quotes from the article:

"Section 4AA Preview: Top seeds Hill-Murray and White Bear Lake seem destined to duel again"

"Seeded first in the section again this winter, Hill-Murray (19-6-0) is set on revenge, looking for payback against No. 2-seeded White Bear Lake (14-10-1). "

If the outcome is "destined", why do they bother to play the quarter final games?

Govie · Post by **Govie** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:50 pm

BodyShots wrote:
Goalie-Dad wrote:
BodyShots wrote: Over rated by who? I don't see them rated by too many sources.

They won a very weak SEC. Outside the conference they finished 1-6. Although the only bad loss outside the conference was to CEC. The others were all to top rated teams (DE, LS, HM, Edina, GR). The team they had the most difficulty with in the SEC was Hastings, who beat them twice. But, Hastings isn't in this Section.

HM has an easy path to the X. Who knows who their last opponent will be to get there.
Read the article, Hockey Hub has a Hill/WBL final prediction. I can see Hll as a good candidate for the finals. But WBL does not have the talent to comfortably predict wins over the Govies or Roseville/NSP. WBL split with Roseville. NSP battled Hill in a tough 5-4 loss.
Yep, I read it again, and still don't see any ratings.

Now the title of the article "Section 4AA Preview: Top seeds Hill-Murray and White Bear Lake seem destined to duel again." mentions the top two seeds are destined to duel again. I don't think that is going out on a limb, since they are the top two seeds.

Now maybe instead of over rated, you mean they were seeded to high. If that is the case, how would you have seeded this section? Please give legitimate reasons for your changes.

Overall it is a fairly weak section compared others which is why WBL was seeded "high." 2 cents.

BodyShots · Post by **BodyShots** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:24 pm

Govie wrote:
BodyShots wrote:
Goalie-Dad wrote: Read the article, Hockey Hub has a Hill/WBL final prediction. I can see Hll as a good candidate for the finals. But WBL does not have the talent to comfortably predict wins over the Govies or Roseville/NSP. WBL split with Roseville. NSP battled Hill in a tough 5-4 loss.
Yep, I read it again, and still don't see any ratings.

Now the title of the article "Section 4AA Preview: Top seeds Hill-Murray and White Bear Lake seem destined to duel again." mentions the top two seeds are destined to duel again. I don't think that is going out on a limb, since they are the top two seeds.

Now maybe instead of over rated, you mean they were seeded to high. If that is the case, how would you have seeded this section? Please give legitimate reasons for your changes.
Overall it is a fairly weak section compared others which is why WBL was seeded "high." 2 cents.

I agree with that. It is a weak section. But, WBL did deserve the #2 seed.

1parent · Post by **1parent** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:58 pm

What makes it a weak section? and also what makes the SEC weak? Just looking for solid points.

WBLHockeyfan04 · Post by **WBLHockeyfan04** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:52 pm

Goalie-Dad wrote:
BodyShots wrote:
Goalie-Dad wrote: Read the article, Hockey Hub has a Hill/WBL final prediction. I can see Hll as a good candidate for the finals. But WBL does not have the talent to comfortably predict wins over the Govies or Roseville/NSP. WBL split with Roseville. NSP battled Hill in a tough 5-4 loss.
Yep, I read it again, and still don't see any ratings.

Now the title of the article "Section 4AA Preview: Top seeds Hill-Murray and White Bear Lake seem destined to duel again." mentions the top two seeds are destined to duel again. I don't think that is going out on a limb, since they are the top two seeds.

Now maybe instead of over rated, you mean they were seeded to high. If that is the case, how would you have seeded this section? Please give legitimate reasons for your changes.
Direct quotes from the article:

"Section 4AA Preview: Top seeds Hill-Murray and White Bear Lake seem destined to duel again"

"Seeded first in the section again this winter, Hill-Murray (19-6-0) is set on revenge, looking for payback against No. 2-seeded White Bear Lake (14-10-1). "

If the outcome is "destined", why do they bother to play the quarter final games?

Go back and look at the history over the last 30 years or so. These two teams usually meet in the semi's or section championship, and lately mainly in the section championship. It's not going out on a limb predicting that'll happen again. I fully expect it to be these two teams, and I think they're correctly seeded 1 and 2. WBL split with both Roseville and Moundsview, but one their conference. I really can't see a reason why these two shouldn't be 1 and 2, and I don't think WBL will lose to either Johnson or the winner between Roseville and North St. Paul. Just my 2 cents.

East Side Pioneer Guy · Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:24 pm

I'd put the odds of it NOT being a Hill-WBL final at close to 50%.

BodyShots · Post by **BodyShots** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:07 am

1parent wrote:What makes it a weak section? and also what makes the SEC weak? Just looking for solid points.

For the SEC, who is the highest rated team and where are they rated? I don't think anybody is in the top 15.

Non Conference Records and who they beat:

WBL 1-6 Roch Century
Rose 4-2-1 Superior, Denfeld, Blake, Century
Still 2-5 AHA, Blake
MV 5-2 Irondale, Hudson, Champ Park, TG, NSP
Hast 3-3-1 Farmington, Hopkins, NSP
CDH 3-4 Blake, Prov Acad, Champ Park
FL 2-4-1 SMA, Bemidji
Park 6-0-1 Tartan, Iron, Farm, Chan, SPA, Rosemount
ER 3-4 Grafton, Mpls, Shakopee
Wood 5-2 Coon Rapids, Chis Lakes, PL, NSP, SMA

Overall, the non-conference record is 34-32-4 which actually is better than I thought. When you look at who they beat, I don't see but one (Bemidji) quality win for the conference, I also think you would see some pretty ugly loses as well. I just don't have the time to list all of them.

1parent · Post by **1parent** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:52 pm

So are Blake and TG not quality wins?
2 of the teams on the bottom half of the SEC just pulled upset wins in sections. Maybe the SEC and 4AA aren't as "WEAK" as you think.

puckstopper33 · Post by **puckstopper33** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:03 pm

I would consider TG and Blake quality wins, but that still only equals 3 quality wins out of 70 games.

hockeyhockeyhockey · Post by **hockeyhockeyhockey** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:45 pm

East Side Pioneer Guy wrote:I'd put the odds of it NOT being a Hill-WBL final at close to 50%.

agree
hill in final is at least low 90% range...
WBL is only a bit better than a coin flip

WHAFightingSaints · Post by **WHAFightingSaints** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:32 pm

chester1991 wrote:1) Hill Murray 8 Tartan 1
2) White Bear Lake 4 7) Johnson 2
3) Roseville 2 6) North St Paul 3
4) Mounds View 3 5) Stillwater 1

1) Hill Murray 3 4) Mounds View 2
2) White Bear Lake 5 6) North St Paul 2

1) Hill Murray 4 2) White Bear Lake 1

Almost got em all right!

Govie · Post by **Govie** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:40 am

WHAFightingSaints wrote:
chester1991 wrote:1) Hill Murray 8 Tartan 1
2) White Bear Lake 4 7) Johnson 2
3) Roseville 2 6) North St Paul 3
4) Mounds View 3 5) Stillwater 1

1) Hill Murray 3 4) Mounds View 2
2) White Bear Lake 5 6) North St Paul 2

1) Hill Murray 4 2) White Bear Lake 1
Almost got em all right!