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Pylon
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Post by Pylon »

Outoftowner wrote:
hockeydad11 wrote:Outoftowner you should be called "out of touch". Sir you do not have clue. You are clearly a guy the goes which ever way the wind blows.
OK... thank you for the off topic, personal attack.

Apparently my point of a fair tryout is outside your vocabulary...

Your kid didn't need to show up for try outs did he?


Have a wonderful day.
Outoftowner, many 02 teams have been formed for a couple of years now and like it or not but there are spots that are already spoken for based on the kids performance last year. Maybe open level teams hold open tryouts every year but for the most part the elite teams are looking to fine tune their teams and are looking for specific players. There is absolutely no sense in having all of the teams top players on the ice for a tryout when the coaches already know what those kids can do at that level of play. THose players would take the attention away from those who need to be watched and evaluated. Its okay to have a few higher end players out there to establish a base line but its not them the coaches want to see.
If you want to see where you child "stacks up" against the others, first watch some of the elite level AAA tournaments such as the Golden Walleye and the Stars & Stripes. If you still think your kid is at that level, take him to an open tryout with a team and see where he "stacks up" then. To get on an elite team, you will have to get your son on those teams radar.

Personally, i think try outs are misleading. I could careless how good a kid can stick handle around a pylon and under zero pressure. I want to see how a kid operates in little to no space with very little time. Many kids evaluate well but dont show up when the pressure is on.

Good luck.
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Post by black sheep »

Outoftowner wrote: Apparently my point of a fair tryout is outside your vocabulary...

Welcome to AAA hockey. There is nothing fair, and nobody owes you a thing. The sooner you come to grips with that, the more enjoyable it will be. It is what is both great and bad about business in an open market.

Most 02 AAA players are going into their 3rd year, so your player is behind the curve a bit. But if your player is clearly elite talent the top teams will make room for him. There are still elite level 02's playing for 01 teams.

If not an elite player, there are still many quality options avaiable at that age. I would recommend being patient with the process. My guess is, fairly or not, you have already been labled as a nutjob dad...and you don't want that for you player.

Just put him in the best position possible and stop for ice cream after the warm spring / summer games and it will all work out.
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black sheep wrote:
Outoftowner wrote: Apparently my point of a fair tryout is outside your vocabulary...

Welcome to AAA hockey. There is nothing fair, and nobody owes you a thing. The sooner you come to grips with that, the more enjoyable it will be. It is what is both great and bad about business in an open market.

Most 02 AAA players are going into their 3rd year, so your player is behind the curve a bit. But if your player is clearly elite talent the top teams will make room for him. There are still elite level 02's playing for 01 teams.

If not an elite player, there are still many quality options available at that age. I would recommend being patient with the process. My guess is, fairly or not, you have already been labeled as a nut job dad...and you don't want that for you player.

Just put him in the best position possible and stop for ice cream after the warm spring / summer games and it will all work out.


Thanks for the "Nut job" warning, but I have not spoken one word to anyone but you guys here in the forum. All I'm doing is getting some input from people here.

Truly it is not as dire as I may be coming across. As I said, I don't even know the out come. He may have made the team.

To recap and to maybe add a little more information:

My kid tried out- had a great tryout. Was invited back the second day. In both scrimmages for the second half of each tryout, he had two goals. Apparently they put most or all of last year's team up against the tryout kids. The game score was 4-2 the first day and 6-3 the second day. Now the question is whether my kid is better then the NEW (not apart of the team last year) Selects kids who did not grace us with their presence at tryouts.

Now before I continue, please understand that I'm taking in everything you guys have said and understand that there may be other circumstances for picking a player.

1) I understand that the coach may feel they have a team and just need one or two players.

2) I understand that it may be a "who you know and who you ____ situation.

3) I understand that there is a AAA hockey community and it can be as much about the family friends, beer drinking buddies, hot moms etc...

4) I understand that the coach may have promised a Selects kid a spot on the team. I also understand that the coach may have promised a selects kid's parents a spot on the team because the mom is hot. :D

Now for the thread recap:

My questions were originally based on information about Selects. How you get on the team etc...

Apparently the reasons listed above about AAA teams are the same for the "Selects".

Then my follow up questions revolved around my son's experience with a AAA try out and the fact that he may lose a spot for any of the above reasons... including also that the Selects kids may be REALLY good. I understand all of that.

What I'm inquiring about is... I guess the the "old days" where a kid was expected to tryout to make a team. What I'm hearing is that those days may be over.

Also that I'm "Out of touch". :D

I have learned that in AAA kids don't need to tryout. "MN Selects" can be more then just picking the best players. I logically have to laugh and say that "Selects" should change their name to "Favorites".

Hockey is fun so:

There really isn't a problem we can't deal with. Some of you who are insinuating I may be a nut job parent, really don't know me that well. The coaches don't even know me. I don't try to weasel my kid on a team etc.. and I don't complain. I would prefer that skill and a good attitude gets my kid on the team. I will continue to hold to this philosophy.

Again, all this thread was for is to gather information and ask some questions based on my experience with AAA, find out what the big deal is about Selects and just have some discussion.

Have a wonderful day and thanks for the input.
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Post by jpiehl »

Outoftowner wrote:
I have learned that in AAA kids don't need to tryout. "MN Selects" can be more then just picking the best players. I logically have to laugh and say that "Selects" should change their name to "Favorites".
You will find as you are around AAA more that terms like 'Selects' have as much meaning as 'Elite', which is next to none. And the bigger it is on the jersey, the less likely it is to be true. The true elite level teams don't feel a need to announce it to everyone as a part of their logo or jersey.
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jpiehl wrote:
Outoftowner wrote:
I have learned that in AAA kids don't need to tryout. "MN Selects" can be more then just picking the best players. I logically have to laugh and say that "Selects" should change their name to "Favorites".
You will find as you are around AAA more that terms like 'Selects' have as much meaning as 'Elite', which is next to none. And the bigger it is on the jersey, the less likely it is to be true. The true elite level teams don't feel a need to announce it to everyone as a part of their logo or jersey.
Yup. I figured that out with the Super Fancy/ Super Triple Elite/ Premium Awesome/ Extra Exclusive hockey camps that take anyone who writes a check. :wink:
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Post by topdawgs24 »

AAA Hockey has many options and different levels. That is separate from the MN Selects which is a weekend tournament in St. Cloud that you are invited to participate in. During the posting it seemed that some people thought that they were one in the same.
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Post by silentbutdeadly3139 »

Outoftowner wrote: ... All I'm doing is getting some input from people here.
You say that then say this make snide remark about players "gracing us with there presence" that are already on the team ...
Outoftowner wrote: BLAH BLAH BLAH Now the question is whether my kid is better then the NEW (not apart of the team last year) Selects kids who did not grace us with their presence at tryouts.
Outoftowner wrote: Then my follow up questions revolved around my son's experience with a AAA try out and the fact that he may lose a spot for any of the above reasons... including also that the Selects kids may be REALLY good. I understand all of that.
He never had a spot. He's trying out for a spot.
Outoftowner wrote: What I'm inquiring about is... I guess the the "old days" where a kid was expected to tryout to make a team. What I'm hearing is that those days may be over.
This is the way it was in the "good old days" ... in fact now there are MORE options than ever before. Some even say watered down. If it was the good old days your son probably wouldn't get an invite to tryout or they wouldn't hold open tryouts.
Outoftowner wrote: Also that I'm "Out of touch". :D
Yes
Outoftowner wrote: I have learned that in AAA kids don't need to tryout. "MN Selects" can be more then just picking the best players. I logically have to laugh and say that "Selects" should change their name to "Favorites".
Yes or someone the coach selected for what ever reason he wanted. Maybe he needed a grinder, a def minded forward or a defenseman or ...
Outoftowner wrote: Hockey is fun so:
Yes if you let it.
Outoftowner wrote: There really isn't a problem we can't deal with.
Sound like your struggling to deal with it.
Outoftowner wrote: Some of you who are insinuating I may be a nut job parent, really don't know me that well. The coaches don't even know me. I don't try to weasel my kid on a team etc.. and I don't complain.
Except here ... see your previous comments.

edited to make it hopefully shorter.
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Post by Outoftowner »

silentbutdeadly3139 wrote:
Outoftowner wrote: ... All I'm doing is getting some input from people here.
You say that then say this make snide remark about players "gracing us with there presence" that are already on the team ...
Outoftowner wrote: BLAH BLAH BLAH Now the question is whether my kid is better then the NEW (not apart of the team last year) Selects kids who did not grace us with their presence at tryouts.
Outoftowner wrote: Then my follow up questions revolved around my son's experience with a AAA try out and the fact that he may lose a spot for any of the above reasons... including also that the Selects kids may be REALLY good. I understand all of that.
He never had a spot. He's trying out for a spot.
Outoftowner wrote: What I'm inquiring about is... I guess the the "old days" where a kid was expected to tryout to make a team. What I'm hearing is that those days may be over.
This is the way it was in the "good old days" ... in fact now there are MORE options than ever before. Some even say watered down. If it was the good old days your son probably wouldn't get an invite to tryout or they wouldn't hold open tryouts.
Outoftowner wrote: Also that I'm "Out of touch". :D
Yes
Outoftowner wrote: I have learned that in AAA kids don't need to tryout. "MN Selects" can be more then just picking the best players. I logically have to laugh and say that "Selects" should change their name to "Favorites".
Yes or someone the coach selected for what ever reason he wanted. Maybe he needed a grinder, a def minded forward or a defenseman or ...
Outoftowner wrote: Hockey is fun so:
Yes if you let it.
Outoftowner wrote: There really isn't a problem we can't deal with.
Sound like your struggling to deal with it.
Outoftowner wrote: Some of you who are insinuating I may be a nut job parent, really don't know me that well. The coaches don't even know me. I don't try to weasel my kid on a team etc.. and I don't complain.
Except here ... see your previous comments.

edited to make it hopefully shorter.
Is this NOT a discussion forum?

1) These selects players were not on the roster last year. They have been given a spot. SO yes, I made a smart aleck comment about them not gracing us with their presence. I'm just having a little fun. You should try it.

2) I have also learned that some folks are sensitive to their kid's Select status. If your kid is on the selects, consider whether he is a great player or if he is on the team because you know the coach or maybe ARE the coach? Either way, wear your Selects sweatshirt with pride. :P

3) Struggling to deal with what? The roster isn't even out yet.

4) I apologize that you feel my inquiry and discussion is complaining. I'm really just discussing the topic. Nice shot at me though and nice assumption. Its just a discussion forum. I would imagine to DISCUSS hockey topics, opinions etc...

For your benefit, I will consider the next thread I start and whether YOU will think its complaining or if it will meet your expectations for what is worthy of discussion.

I wish you a wonderful rest of your day. :D
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Post by Outoftowner »

At what point do these threads get locked?

Would it be before or after everyone has had a chance to take personal shots at the thread author?
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Post by Pylon »

Outoftowner wrote:At what point do these threads get locked?

Would it be before or after everyone has had a chance to take personal shots at the thread author?
Ease down turbo. I don't see many personal attacks here, lets not throw this thread down the toilet because you don't agree with someone disagreeing with you.

If you are new to AAA hockey, I would suggest reading and watching a bit more before you cast comments like this one below
I have learned that in AAA kids don't need to tryout. "MN Selects" can be more then just picking the best players. I logically have to laugh and say that "Selects" should change their name to "Favorites".
It takes more to make a successful team than just super skilled kids my friend, you need to balance the team with grit, work ethic, skill, role players etc. Dont bash a AAA program because the hand select kids (that the probably have scouted at games for quite sometime). That is the truest way to see what a kid can do!
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Post by This is nuts! »

How about those Twins! :wink:
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Post by old goalie85 »

I disagree. "My friend"!!They R fun for the kids & the sweatsirts,
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Post by OGEE OGELTHORPE »

The 2012 Festival will feature boys and girls birth year brackets for 1998, 1999, 2000, , 2001 and 2002.

Last years rosters consist of 1997-2001 birth year.

:wink:
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Post by old goalie85 »

I did not want to go into it, BUT!!! here we go The word select means just that!! selected by who????????? I know , You can say whatever, It is what it is, I've seen familys w/multiple kids in the tourny. Is that possible , that bro's kid., sisters kid and whoever are. Are SELECT. YEA RIGHT!!!!
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Post by silentbutdeadly3139 »

Outoftowner wrote:At what point do these threads get locked?

Would it be before or after everyone has had a chance to take personal shots at the thread author?
No personal attacks ... at least I didn't try. Merely trying to point out that you come on hear asking questions or want to discuss but your coming off as complaining about "select" players, AAA selection process etc.

As you said, you are new to AAA and yes players are given a spot. No biggie, its their team they can do that. There are many options and if your son/daughter is good, they will be found.

And no my kids aren't select players and before you attack me for that, no I'm not hurt by that. Some of my kids have been lucky enough to play in those fund raising tournaments but they're not superstars.
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Post by HockeyDad41 »

Outoftowner wrote:At what point do these threads get locked?

Would it be before or after everyone has had a chance to take personal shots at the thread author?
These things usually get locked whenever Bo gets involved.
Solving all of hockey's problems since Feb 2009.
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Post by Pylon »

HockeyDad41 wrote:
Outoftowner wrote:At what point do these threads get locked?

Would it be before or after everyone has had a chance to take personal shots at the thread author?
These things usually get locked whenever Bo gets involved.
Now that right there is funny, I don't care who you are! :lol:
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Post by MrBoDangles »

HockeyDad41 wrote:
Outoftowner wrote:At what point do these threads get locked?

Would it be before or after everyone has had a chance to take personal shots at the thread author?
These things usually get locked whenever Bo gets involved.
Stop fantasizing about me and get back to fanning and feeding grapes to Benny. :lol:
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Post by old goalie85 »

Or you & and Bo are invoved. I bet bet yusz guys get get "cut off" @ at the bar whenever you get hang out!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Outoftowner
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Post by Outoftowner »

So at what age is it recommended I hire a sports agent to get my kid on some of these teams?




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:D
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old goalie85 wrote:Or you & and Bo are invoved. I bet bet yusz guys get get "cut off" @ at the bar whenever you get hang out!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I'll peg you for having a twelve pack down already..... Am I close? :wink:
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Post by old goalie85 »

Very close. :lol:
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