AA Rankings for 2/5/12

[HShockeywatcher]

Karl what do you have to say about Section 2AA? We know Edina will be 1 and Burnsville will be 2 but after that, who's next? Chanhassen is up and coming but we can't gauge how good of a team they are due to their weak schedule. They should be ahead of AHA because of the head-to-head, right?

Do we? They lost to Jefferson and play again before the season ends. The seeds 2-6 aren't determined yet.

[The Best in the Bizz3]

Edina will be 1

Burnsville be 2, yes they lost to the Jags but their schedule just overpowers any team in the section minus Edina. They will have a much better record than Jefferson and that will be the reasoning for the 2 seed.

PL/Jefferson will be 3, PL's schedule is fairly week and a win over Wayzata will not stand above a possible Jags win against PL. I believe the winner of this game WILL get the three seed.

PL/Jefferson will be 4, the loser of this game will get the nod

Chanhassen will be 5, have a 1-0-1 record against AHA while the win total and "conference champions" title will boost them into the 5 seed.

AHA will be 6, a pretty inconsistent season for the stars will put them here at 6 where an upset is definitely possible. Chanhassen has the edge on them.

Shakopee will be 7, a below average squad this year will most likely give them the game against a fierce blaze team.

Kennedy at 8, they just simply are out of this section as they will play Edina their first game.


The way I see it:



The semifinals will include a new team or two this year in regards to last year.


Edina vs. Chan (I see them as upsetting either PL or the Jags, whomever gets the 4 seed)

Burnsville vs. AHA (The stars get a poor seed, but they will either A. get revenge on PL or B. beat the Jags in Trebil's last season behind the bench)


From there on, most likely Edina vs. Burnsville and Edina will advance to the State Tournament.

[karl(east)]

The knock on Lettieri scoring goals in big games is a bit short-sighted. He's more of a playmaker anyway and has 20 goals and 31 assists total.

So perhaps while he has only scored goals against bigger names such as Burnsville, Hill-Murray, Moorhead, Benilde, Wayzata and Duluth East, he has points against Burnville (3), Hill-Murray (3), Edina (3), Duluth East (6), Eagan (2), Moorhead, (2), Benilde (2), Wayzata (2) and Eden Prairie (1).

It wasn't meant to be a knock on Lettieri, specifically; it was more directed at his entire line when compared to the Baskin-Rothstein-Thie line. Maybe I'm catching them on the wrong nights, but I just generally think Baskin and co. look more consistently dangerous in the offensive zone and are scoring the biggest goals of the year, which is a mild surprise given their point totals.

If he's getting assists against all the big teams I listed (which is every big game besides the last 2 against Edina) then someone on his line is scoring goals against those teams. Also Lettieri is the top scorer on the team, Coatta is 3rd and Ramsey 6th and if you go game by game they are not getting shut out against the top competition.

How about this: I've watched both Edina-Tonka games, and Edina has figured out a way to shut down that line. If other teams can replicate that, it may become a point of concern for Tonka. Maybe not--they got by without any production last night--but it's something worth noting.

As for 2AA, I think Best in the Bizz has it about right. Prior Lake may still have an argument for #3 even if they lose to Jefferson--they will have split the season series and have the better record--but given Jefferson's SOS, win over Burnsville, and what we could then label a strong close to the season, I would probably go with Jefferson. Burnsville does not play Jefferson again, so they are locked in at #2.

[HShockeywatcher]

As for 2AA, I think Best in the Bizz has it about right. Prior Lake may still have an argument for #3 even if they lose to Jefferson--they will have split the season series and have the better record--but given Jefferson's SOS, win over Burnsville, and what we could then label a strong close to the season, I would probably go with Jefferson. Burnsville does not play Jefferson again, so they are locked in at #2.

I definitely agree. I mistakenly thought Burnsville had another section game. I don't think there is anything any of the teams can do, aside from PL blowing out BJ, to change it up. I don't know if it would be part of consideration for the coaches, but giving the nod to Jefferson makes way for a BJ/AHA semi final match up. Should be a fun section tournament; hopefully next year there are more section match ups to make for more better seeding.

[Slap Shot]

If he's getting assists against all the big teams I listed (which is every big game besides the last 2 against Edina) then someone on his line is scoring goals against those teams. Also Lettieri is the top scorer on the team, Coatta is 3rd and Ramsey 6th and if you go game by game they are not getting shut out against the top competition.

How about this: I've watched both Edina-Tonka games, and Edina has figured out a way to shut down that line. If other teams can replicate that, it may become a point of concern for Tonka. Maybe not--they got by without any production last night--but it's something worth noting.

How about this: I gladly acknowledge they were shut down in 2 games out of 21. Do you recognize they weren't shut down in the remaining 19 games they played, and that in the other game agasinst Edina they combined for 7 points?

Their problem isn't scoring - it's overall team defense.

[greyhoundsnation27]

As for 2AA, I think Best in the Bizz has it about right. Prior Lake may still have an argument for #3 even if they lose to Jefferson--they will have split the season series and have the better record--but given Jefferson's SOS, win over Burnsville, and what we could then label a strong close to the season, I would probably go with Jefferson. Burnsville does not play Jefferson again, so they are locked in at #2.

I definitely agree. I mistakenly thought Burnsville had another section game. I don't think there is anything any of the teams can do, aside from PL blowing out BJ, to change it up. I don't know if it would be part of consideration for the coaches, but giving the nod to Jefferson makes way for a BJ/AHA semi final match up. Should be a fun section tournament; hopefully next year there are more section match ups to make for more better seeding.

Even though Burnsville lost to Jefferson, they beat Prior Lake 8-2 and 8-3. No way they don't get the 2 seed.

[blueblood]

HSHW:

What is your logic for AHA getting the 4 or 5 seed in 2AA?

[HShockeywatcher]

HSHW:

What is your logic for AHA getting the 4 or 5 seed in 2AA?

Not sure where you got that from; I said I agree with Best in the Bizz. I have them at 6. I hope for a Jefferson win when they play Prior Lake again to give Jefferson the nod to 3 and get a BJ/AHA match up.

[blueblood]

Got it - thanks

[elliott70]

As for 2AA, I think Best in the Bizz has it about right. Prior Lake may still have an argument for #3 even if they lose to Jefferson--they will have split the season series and have the better record--but given Jefferson's SOS, win over Burnsville, and what we could then label a strong close to the season, I would probably go with Jefferson. Burnsville does not play Jefferson again, so they are locked in at #2.

I definitely agree. I mistakenly thought Burnsville had another section game. I don't think there is anything any of the teams can do, aside from PL blowing out BJ, to change it up. I don't know if it would be part of consideration for the coaches, but giving the nod to Jefferson makes way for a BJ/AHA semi final match up. Should be a fun section tournament; hopefully next year there are more section match ups to make for more better seeding.

Perhaps from this....

[HShockeywatcher]

As for 2AA, I think Best in the Bizz has it about right. Prior Lake may still have an argument for #3 even if they lose to Jefferson--they will have split the season series and have the better record--but given Jefferson's SOS, win over Burnsville, and what we could then label a strong close to the season, I would probably go with Jefferson. Burnsville does not play Jefferson again, so they are locked in at #2.

I definitely agree. I mistakenly thought Burnsville had another section game. I don't think there is anything any of the teams can do, aside from PL blowing out BJ, to change it up. I don't know if it would be part of consideration for the coaches, but giving the nod to Jefferson makes way for a BJ/AHA semi final match up. Should be a fun section tournament; hopefully next year there are more section match ups to make for more better seeding.

Perhaps from this....

If he only read those 5/6 words, it would be tough to conclude anything about the seeding of the two teams beyond them being paired up. It could've meant I thought AHA was 1 and BJ was 8.

But if you actually read my whole post, you'd see it says I agree with The Best in the Bizz who said Jefferson at 3 and AHA at 6. I then went on to explain that the only thing that could change that up is PL beating BJ pretty bad the second time.

If we need help reading, just ask

[green4]

If he's getting assists against all the big teams I listed (which is every big game besides the last 2 against Edina) then someone on his line is scoring goals against those teams. Also Lettieri is the top scorer on the team, Coatta is 3rd and Ramsey 6th and if you go game by game they are not getting shut out against the top competition.

How about this: I've watched both Edina-Tonka games, and Edina has figured out a way to shut down that line. If other teams can replicate that, it may become a point of concern for Tonka. Maybe not--they got by without any production last night--but it's something worth noting.

How about this: I gladly acknowledge they were shut down in 2 games out of 21. Do you recognize they weren't shut down in the remaining 19 games they played, and that in the other game agasinst Edina they combined for 7 points?

Their problem isn't scoring - it's overall team defense.

He is saying edina has shown a way to shut them down and if other teams find a way to stop them there is a reason to worry, yes they had 7 points the first time they played edina but edina has fixed that problem the last two times they played shutting them down completely showing improvement and a reason to be concerned if others find a way to stop them too

[MNHockeyFan]

...but edina has fixed that problem the last two times they played shutting them down completely showing improvement...

Hmmm...I wonder if the players figured how to do that all on their own or if Curt Giles might have had something to do with it? Just asking...

[green4]

...but edina has fixed that problem the last two times they played shutting them down completely showing improvement...

Hmmm...I wonder if the players figured how to do that all on their own or if Curt Giles might have had something to do with it? Just asking...

whats the point in asking that? i made no point in saying the players did it on there own and i did not say Giles made the changes i said Edina meaning as a team of players and coaches so i would not know how they figured out how to stop that line of tonka. I guess i don't understand your comment because i don't think it really had anything to do with what i was addressing earlier

[MNHockeyFan]

whats the point in asking that? i made no point in saying the players did it on there own and i did not say Giles made the changes i said Edina meaning as a team of players and coaches so i would not know how they figured out how to stop that line of tonka. I guess i don't understand your comment because i don't think it really had anything to do with what i was addressing earlier

green4, in no way was my comment directed at you. I was just poking fun at the many others on this board who have been so critical of Giles' coaching.

[east hockey]

whats the point in asking that? i made no point in saying the players did it on there own and i did not say Giles made the changes i said Edina meaning as a team of players and coaches so i would not know how they figured out how to stop that line of tonka. I guess i don't understand your comment because i don't think it really had anything to do with what i was addressing earlier

green4, in no way was my comment directed at you. I was just poking fun at the many others on this board who have been so critical of Giles' coaching.

It reminded me of all the flak Lee Smith used to take on this Board. Two championships sort of put the cork in that one.

Lee

[Slap Shot]

How about this: I've watched both Edina-Tonka games, and Edina has figured out a way to shut down that line. If other teams can replicate that, it may become a point of concern for Tonka. Maybe not--they got by without any production last night--but it's something worth noting.

How about this: I gladly acknowledge they were shut down in 2 games out of 21. Do you recognize they weren't shut down in the remaining 19 games they played, and that in the other game agasinst Edina they combined for 7 points?

Their problem isn't scoring - it's overall team defense.

He is saying edina has shown a way to shut them down and if other teams find a way to stop them there is a reason to worry, yes they had 7 points the first time they played edina but edina has fixed that problem the last two times they played shutting them down completely showing improvement and a reason to be concerned if others find a way to stop them too

I know what he's saying. I'm saying balderdash. Not only are 2 games too small of a sample size, but despite the 2nd line not scoring in those two games Tonka still won the final game. If Giles thinks focusing on the 2nd line is the key to beating Tonka have at it - I'll take my chances against that strategy.

Again overall team scoring is not their concern, team defense is.