Section 6AA, Who wins?

[ghshockeyfan]

If seeding was based on Krach as of today.....

1. BSM
2. Minnetonka
3. Hopkins
4. Maple Grove
5. Buffalo
6. Wayzata
7. Robinsdale Armstrong/Cooper
8. North Metro

Clearly BSM & Minnetonka are going to be the favorites in this section. #3 through #7 could move around a bit. Wayzata is surging with recent wins over Tonka, Irondale & Hopkins. Armstrong/Cooper seems to play alot of these teams even..with four games ending in ties and four OT losses.

I thought the state high school league adopted a revamped QRF for seeding purposes? QRF section ranking are different; Benilde, Minnetonka, Hopkins, Wayzata, Maple Grove, Buffalo.

I think QRF was an "official" option... KRACH is just another ranking algorithm. Some believe one is better than another...

See:

KRACH has as of this AM:

http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20120129.htm

1 Hill-Murray 21-2-0 997.699 AA 4
6 Roseville 19-2-2 234.201 AA 4
15 White Bear Lake 15-4-4 87.261 AA 4
18 Stillwater Area 14-7-2 68.354 AA 4
48 Cretin-Derham Hall 9-11-2 17.400 AA 4
83 Minneapolis 8-14-2 2.543 AA 4
86 North St. Paul 4-16-2 2.274 AA 4
93 Tartan 3-12-6 1.638 AA 4
98 St. Paul Blades 4-14-0 0.765 AA 4

I think the human rankers typically look to seeding in this order:

#1 Head-to-head results
#2 Common Opponents results

Problem with seeding is that it usually hapens before the final couple games are played unfortunately...

as far as i know KRACH doesn"t pick sections coaches do

That's my understanding as well - unless something has changed anyway.

Interestingly there was a "big" announcement about the MN Scores QRF being an "option" for section seeding before the start of the season. Or at least that's what I remember. Not sure how this all played out but would be interesting to hear from some of those that are "in the know."

I'll have to try searching for that thread on here... And in the interim here are links to QRF:

These look to be going live Dec 5...

***New "Overall" list this year - probably related to the major announcement for section seeding (they adjusted algorithm a bit and approach I believe):
http://minnesota-scores.net/classqrf.ph ... 0&class=-2

Class AA:
http://minnesota-scores.net/classqrf.ph ... 10&class=3

Class A:
http://minnesota-scores.net/classqrf.ph ... 10&class=2

Hmm... This is where the lack of transparency for the QRF is problematic for me. As I said in another post, I'll have to ask for the details. I'm biased towards KRACH for obvious reasons - however, I would think even an average of KRACH and QRF would be better than either alone (unless QRF is really that skewed)...

I see the issue now. If you read ( http://minnesota-scores.net/qrf.php ) you'll see the explanation. They are really docking a team for playing Class A competition. So HM loses points by beating SSP (who could beat 3/4 of the AA teams), beating Warroad, and losing to Breck (who still might be the best team regardless of class). But HM REALLY gets pounded when teams in their conference are Class A. Which puts a team in a tough spot, because the Classic Suburban is the right conference for HM in every sport but boy's hockey (they are relatively new to success in ladies hockey). As I said earlier, it doesn't really matter because they still get the same chance to win the tournament as every other team. I prefer a system that doesn't differentiate between class, because that truly doesn't change how good any one team is. Here is the classical problem with the QRF if I read it correctly: Hill-Murray would have a higher QRF had they been a Class A team.

Wow. I thought they dropped that aspect - but apparently not based on the interpretation you provided.

If that's the case - then my KRACH bias might just be justified! This is one thing KRACH does "right" IMHO - it doesn't care about the Class designation of your opponent. It only cares how high they are ranked OVERALL (and whether or not the result is a W/L/T).

[backdoor]

If seeding was based on Krach as of today.....

1. BSM
2. Minnetonka
3. Hopkins
4. Maple Grove
5. Buffalo
6. Wayzata
7. Robinsdale Armstrong/Cooper
8. North Metro

Clearly BSM & Minnetonka are going to be the favorites in this section. #3 through #7 could move around a bit. Wayzata is surging with recent wins over Tonka, Irondale & Hopkins. Armstrong/Cooper seems to play alot of these teams even..with four games ending in ties and four OT losses.

I thought the state high school league adopted a revamped QRF for seeding purposes? QRF section ranking are different; Benilde, Minnetonka, Hopkins, Wayzata, Maple Grove, Buffalo.

I think QRF was an "official" option... KRACH is just another ranking algorithm. Some believe one is better than another...

See:

as far as i know KRACH doesn"t pick sections coaches do

That's my understanding as well - unless something has changed anyway.

Interestingly there was a "big" announcement about the MN Scores QRF being an "option" for section seeding before the start of the season. Or at least that's what I remember. Not sure how this all played out but would be interesting to hear from some of those that are "in the know."

I'll have to try searching for that thread on here... And in the interim here are links to QRF:

These look to be going live Dec 5...

***New "Overall" list this year - probably related to the major announcement for section seeding (they adjusted algorithm a bit and approach I believe):
http://minnesota-scores.net/classqrf.ph ... 0&class=-2

Class AA:
http://minnesota-scores.net/classqrf.ph ... 10&class=3

Class A:
http://minnesota-scores.net/classqrf.ph ... 10&class=2

I see the issue now. If you read ( http://minnesota-scores.net/qrf.php ) you'll see the explanation. They are really docking a team for playing Class A competition. So HM loses points by beating SSP (who could beat 3/4 of the AA teams), beating Warroad, and losing to Breck (who still might be the best team regardless of class). But HM REALLY gets pounded when teams in their conference are Class A. Which puts a team in a tough spot, because the Classic Suburban is the right conference for HM in every sport but boy's hockey (they are relatively new to success in ladies hockey). As I said earlier, it doesn't really matter because they still get the same chance to win the tournament as every other team. I prefer a system that doesn't differentiate between class, because that truly doesn't change how good any one team is. Here is the classical problem with the QRF if I read it correctly: Hill-Murray would have a higher QRF had they been a Class A team.

Wow. I thought they dropped that aspect - but apparently not based on the interpretation you provided.

If that's the case - then my KRACH bias might just be justified! This is one thing KRACH does "right" IMHO - it doesn't care about the Class designation of your opponent. It only cares how high they are ranked OVERALL (and whether or not the result is a W/L/T).

Agreed, one of three options approved for seeding.