Section 4AA

[Sparlimb]

Very true about the top seeds not making it for the last couple of years. If it hinges on goaltending the nod has to go to Roseville. HM can go the distance if they play as a unit and Brandt plays her game, but they must to keep the puck off the goalie. WB could pull the upset if they click their goalie has the ability to get hot she did it last year...Unfortunately Stillwater isnt a factor, have a couple decent skaters around EZ, but tending is weak. Gut feeling is that eventhough Roseville is probably the best rounded I think it may be HM's year. Gonna be fun to watch.

Very well said. I can't argue that Roseville is the best rounded team. I remember the section final last year where they were so good and it seemed like every standout player on Roseville was only a junior (now a senior). So I knew they'd be really tough. Goaltending has always been the question mark for HM although their goalie played an outstanding game against BSM on Saturday. What HM does seem to do is sustain so much pressure in the offensive zone there just aren't that many great chances for the other team. And their defense is much advanced from where they were last year. The only reason I have quiet confidence about HM is that I like Brandt to Kyle Rau from last year. That one player that is a little bit better than the rest and makes the difference in really big games. The rest of the HM team really picked up their scoring throughout the season, but against BSM it was 3 goals by HB that won the game. I would not be the least surprised (however disappointed) to see Roseville come out on top and it is a shame that both can't go to state. BSM and Minnetonka have the same issue in 6AA so this section isn't alone.

[hockeywild7]

Not sure how you could ever come to the conclusion that WBL could be a factor and not Stillwater. Stillwater's "weak" goalie? Stillwater has given up almost the same amount of goals but scored almost 20 more. Stillwater ranks 3rd in goals scored in the conference behind Roseville and Mounds View and 2nd in goals against only behind Roseville. Stillwater is 4 points ahead in conference standings of WBL as well. WBL is a very good team, not sure your giving Stillwater the same respect. I think they both could be a factor actually. Would I bet money on it? no, but knowing the rivalries between the teams these two could possibly play in the section semi finals, if they make it there, anything could happen and often times does in this section.

[hockeymannorth]

if Roseville beats Stillwater on the 4th i think they are a shoe in for #1 their only losses came when their 3 best players were gone and 1 of their ties too and krach doesn"t account for that or they their power ranking would 120s but coaches know

[ghshockeyfan]

if Roseville beats Stillwater on the 4th i think they are a shoe in for #1 their only losses came when their 3 best players were gone and 1 of their ties too and krach doesn"t account for that or they their power ranking would 120s but coaches know

hmn is correct. KRACH can't account for this. The same is true for the other teams that have been missing players for whatever reasons. Including HB for HM, etc.

Interstingly KRACH tracks quite well with the LPH polls - so even though this is a shortcoming of KRACh (or any computer ranking), it seems to be a minor issue at best in the rankings.

Coaches do need to account for many things when seeding - including head-to-head, common opponents, and things like missing players, etc.

[hockeyheaven]

If this year is like every other year the seeds have already been determined and this weeks games mean nothing.

I see the order going #1 Hill, #2 RV, # 3 WBL, #4 SW, #5 CDH

Still think Roseville is the best team and WBL, Stillwater are clearly a pickum. However that 3-4 seed will again be concerning since CDH can be pesky for which of the two ends up at 4.

[MinnGirlsHockey]

if Roseville beats Stillwater on the 4th i think they are a shoe in for #1

It's very likely that the 4AA seedings will be done before Saturday, as mentioned previously:

Problem with seeding is that it usually hapens before the final couple games are played unfortunately...

If this year is like every other year the seeds have already been determined and this weeks games mean nothing.

I know that at least a couple sections have already done their seedings (I think they're done early mainly for logistical reasons in sections where the higher seeds are the first round host), they just haven't been published yet on the MSHSL website.

[hockeywild7]

seedings for some sections including 4AA are already set just not published yet.

[hockeymannorth]

4AA backets are set Hill got #1 Roseville got #2 but stillwater got #4 i think Roseville would take White Bear if they got to pick anyway

[MinnGirlsHockey]

KRACH has as of this AM:

http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20120129.htm

1 Hill-Murray 21-2-0 997.699 AA 4
6 Roseville 19-2-2 234.201 AA 4
15 White Bear Lake 15-4-4 87.261 AA 4
18 Stillwater Area 14-7-2 68.354 AA 4
48 Cretin-Derham Hall 9-11-2 17.400 AA 4
83 Minneapolis 8-14-2 2.543 AA 4
86 North St. Paul 4-16-2 2.274 AA 4
93 Tartan 3-12-6 1.638 AA 4
98 St. Paul Blades 4-14-0 0.765 AA 4

I think the human rankers typically look to seeding in this order:

#1 Head-to-head results
#2 Common Opponents results

Problem with seeding is that it usually hapens before the final couple games are played unfortunately...

as far as i know KRACH doesn"t pick sections coaches do

Looks like KRACH did pick 4AA...LOL

As of this morning:
1 Hill-Murray 22-2-0 922.470 AA 4
6 Roseville 20-2-2 251.560 AA 4
15 White Bear Lake 15-5-4 79.741 AA 4
18 Stillwater Area 15-7-2 68.000 AA 4
48 Cretin-Derham Hall 10-11-3 16.925 AA 4
84 Minneapolis 8-14-2 2.614 AA 4
86 North St. Paul 4-17-2 2.274 AA 4
94 Tartan 3-13-6 1.578 AA 4
99 St. Paul Blades 4-15-0 0.767 AA 4

[ghshockeyfan]

KRACH has as of this AM:

http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20120129.htm

1 Hill-Murray 21-2-0 997.699 AA 4
6 Roseville 19-2-2 234.201 AA 4
15 White Bear Lake 15-4-4 87.261 AA 4
18 Stillwater Area 14-7-2 68.354 AA 4
48 Cretin-Derham Hall 9-11-2 17.400 AA 4
83 Minneapolis 8-14-2 2.543 AA 4
86 North St. Paul 4-16-2 2.274 AA 4
93 Tartan 3-12-6 1.638 AA 4
98 St. Paul Blades 4-14-0 0.765 AA 4

I think the human rankers typically look to seeding in this order:

#1 Head-to-head results
#2 Common Opponents results

Problem with seeding is that it usually hapens before the final couple games are played unfortunately...

as far as i know KRACH doesn"t pick sections coaches do

Looks like KRACH did pick 4AA...LOL

As of this morning:
1 Hill-Murray 22-2-0 922.470 AA 4
6 Roseville 20-2-2 251.560 AA 4
15 White Bear Lake 15-5-4 79.741 AA 4
18 Stillwater Area 15-7-2 68.000 AA 4
48 Cretin-Derham Hall 10-11-3 16.925 AA 4
84 Minneapolis 8-14-2 2.614 AA 4
86 North St. Paul 4-17-2 2.274 AA 4
94 Tartan 3-13-6 1.578 AA 4
99 St. Paul Blades 4-15-0 0.767 AA 4

I had to laugh when I saw this...

[Sparlimb]

4AA backets are set Hill got #1 Roseville got #2 but stillwater got #4 i think Roseville would take White Bear if they got to pick anyway

So you're saying your happy for once? Let's just hope we get our section final so the question can be answered.

[hockeymannorth]

4AA backets are set Hill got #1 Roseville got #2 but stillwater got #4 i think Roseville would take White Bear if they got to pick anyway

So you're saying your happy for once? Let's just hope we get our section final so the question can be answered.

i'am always happy but Roseville wins either way if Hill wins Roseville boy coached them to a state tourny

[Sparlimb]

4AA backets are set Hill got #1 Roseville got #2 but stillwater got #4 i think Roseville would take White Bear if they got to pick anyway

So you're saying your happy for once? Let's just hope we get our section final so the question can be answered.

i'am always happy but Roseville wins either way if Hill wins Roseville boy coached them to a state tourny

Good good. I promise you this, if Roseville goes instead, I'll cheer for them.

[Homer]

I was going to post my logic for the seeding, but I am too late.

So I will ask, What more does a HM goalie have to do? The two each have one loss, w/ the jr. playing most of the more difficult games.

It seems to me, being a former goalie, that they do enough to win the game.

[Sparlimb]

I was going to post my logic for the seeding, but I am too late.

So I will ask, What more does a HM goalie have to do? The two each have one loss, w/ the jr. playing most of the more difficult games.

It seems to me, being a former goalie, that they do enough to win the game.

Just keep her team in the game until they win it. Their goalies played much better as the year went on. They, like every other team, can't afford any bad games in goal the rest of the way if they are to win the big prize.

[observer]

Here's the bracket/schedule,


http://www.mshsl.org/mshsl/showallXMLbr ... acket=5344

[Homer]

I was going to post my logic for the seeding, but I am too late.

So I will ask, What more does a HM goalie have to do? The two each have one loss, w/ the jr. playing most of the more difficult games.

It seems to me, being a former goalie, that they do enough to win the game.

Just keep her team in the game until they win it. Their goalies played much better as the year went on. They, like every other team, can't afford any bad games in goal the rest of the way if they are to win the big prize.

I would say the improvement comes from the fact that neither goalie had any varsity experience, coupled with the fact that their first 5-6 games were against many of the states top teams.

[Sparlimb]

A recent game that caught my eye was Breck only winning 1-0 over the Minneapolis Novas. The Novas had a decent record although they played almost no one of note. I think they just might give WBL a game, although I can't see them pulling it out. Anyone else sensing a possible upset?

[MNHockeyFan]

A recent game that caught my eye was Breck only winning 1-0 over the Minneapolis Novas. The Novas had a decent record although they played almost no one of note. I think they just might give WBL a game, although I can't see them pulling it out. Anyone else sensing a possible upset?

I don't believe the Novas have the horses to upset WBL, but then again the Bears will have to find a way to get a few past the Mpls goalie, Hannah
Hilden-Reid. She MUST be very good after stopping 62 of 63 Breck shots in their game on Saturday. And the other question is, do the Novas have enough offensive firepower to score against WBL if she does have another great game?

[MinnGirlsHockey]

A recent game that caught my eye was Breck only winning 1-0 over the Minneapolis Novas. The Novas had a decent record although they played almost no one of note. I think they just might give WBL a game, although I can't see them pulling it out. Anyone else sensing a possible upset?

I don't believe the Novas have the horses to upset WBL, but then again the Bears will have to find a way to get a few past the Mpls goalie, Hannah
Hilden-Reid. She MUST be very good after stopping 62 of 63 Breck shots in their game on Saturday. And the other question is, do the Novas have enough offensive firepower to score against WBL if she does have another great game?

I agree, but I think the Novas could give WBL a scare if their goalie is on. Mpls has nice wins over Dodge County (KRACH overall #41) and Red Wing (KRACH overall #44) and another 1-0 loss to Maple Grove (KRACH overall #22) which she was largely responsible for.

I'm confused about the Breck game though. The Strib online article (http://www.mngirlshockeyhub.com/news_ar ... _id=113956) stated that she stopped 43 of 44 but the Hub game stats say she stopped 62 of 63. The Mpls shot count was also different (by only a few). Maybe somebody who attended that game on Saturday can confirm. In any event, that was an incredible game by her!

[MNHockeyFan]

Moxie emerges at Hill-Murray

The Pioneers' confidence catapulted them to No. 1, but difficult challengers remain in Class 2A, Section 4

http://www.mngirlshockeyhub.com/news_ar ... how/133063

[Bullgod]

Should be a good night of hockeyon tuesday.

WBL vs Roseville @ 6
Stillwater vs HM @ 8

I thought there may be an upset in the 1/4's, maybe we'll get one in the semi's

[Sparlimb]

I thought there may be an upset in the 1/4's, maybe we'll get one in the semi's

As much as I'd like to see HM not have to face Roseville to go to state, I still would rather see the matchup to end the debate that has gone on all season. I know WBL and Stillwater fans certainly feel differently, and any of the 4 can win Tuesday, so will be some fun games...

[hockeymannorth]

i think Stillwater is the sleeper team in this section could see upset tonight at aldrich we'll soon know,they are alot better team than when hill played they the first time

[Sparlimb]

Well neither Hill-Murray nor Roseville played their best game last night, but they both survived and get another chance on Friday. I'm very much looking forward to seeing how this one ends up. The argument will be settled on the ice. I did wonder last night if it helped Stillwater that they had seen HM once already this year and had a very good plan for containing the Pioneers. Its always interesting to see the games when the best teams play because they get so used to having the puck in the offensive zone they aren't used to having to back check and play solid defensively. I'm biased, but I do like my Pioneers to come out on top. I'll go with 4-3...