Well what a mess we have in Section 3A. If only New Ulm, Hutch & Litch would play everyone.... This will be a very interesting year for seeds.
Ranking 1/15/12
1. New Ulm Area (8-9-0)
2. Hutchinson (7-6-0)
3. Marshall (9-5-1)
4. LDC (5-9-0)
5. Luverne (11-3-1)
6. Windom (7-5-1)
7. Fairmont (5-7-0)
8. Worthingon (2-10-1)
9. Redwood Valley (1-14-0)
Section 3A Notes:
New Ulm Area- Might want to find a 2nd scoring option besides Brody Peterson scored all 8 goals in the last two games wont win in the playoffs with that.
Hutchinson- Coming around my preseason favorite is injury filled yet still fighting.
Marshall- Play SWC teams in the coming weeks need to rack up wins
LDC- Very tough to put a team who has lost 8 straight at #4 ... The Dragons could be looking at the road for the Playoffs.
Luverne- Not sure what to think of this team??
Windom- Have caught fire big game with Marshall on Tuesday
Fairmont- Very up and down
Worthington- Much better then they were yesterday.
Redwood Valley- Like I said last week this program has fallen apart...
With the top 3 teams not playing everyone very hard to know things. Maybe the MSHSL needs to step in and force teams to play....
Until then your guess is as good as mine.
Section 3A
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computerguy
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Hutch, Litch and NU are in a very different situation from the others in 3a. All three have 1hr trips to very competitive games. I doubt if any of them would get the ok from their school to increase travel costs. It's too bad for the rest of 3a but their location is a major problem.
Re: 3a
Minnesota hockey is trying to do that with Hutch and LDC. They are trying to force those 2 teams to leave their current district and move to D4 with Marshall, Luverne, Redwood and company.computerguy wrote:Hutch, Litch and NU are in a very different situation from the others in 3a. All three have 1hr trips to very competitive games. I doubt if any of them would get the ok from their school to increase travel costs. It's too bad for the rest of 3a but their location is a major problem.
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timcorbin21
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It might make more sense for Minnesota Hockey to do away with District 4 and move the D4 associations to Districts 1 and 5.
Good idea to do away with Section 1 & 3 and move those teams to other sections. Will probably never happen with Section 1 but I wouldn't be surprised to see 3 go away.
New Ulm
Has the top scorer with Peterson and the next three goal scorers for New Ulm score just as much as the top three from either Hutch or Marshall. Been dinged up a bit. have they settled in goal yet?
Hutch
is banged up as well but has been grinding it out. Might be better in the net.
Litch, Luverne and Marshall all tie for number 3. Litch is losing but may be coming around. Luverne has been doing everything it can with the schedule they play. Marshall does ok when they play a team that's playing poorly. Recent losses to Hutch, a spanking from Luverne. Worthington scored 3 goals?
Fairmont, Windom, Worthington are all better than they were a year ago.
Redwood has a very small very young team. Goalies not bad
Good idea to do away with Section 1 & 3 and move those teams to other sections. Will probably never happen with Section 1 but I wouldn't be surprised to see 3 go away.
New Ulm
Has the top scorer with Peterson and the next three goal scorers for New Ulm score just as much as the top three from either Hutch or Marshall. Been dinged up a bit. have they settled in goal yet?
Hutch
is banged up as well but has been grinding it out. Might be better in the net.
Litch, Luverne and Marshall all tie for number 3. Litch is losing but may be coming around. Luverne has been doing everything it can with the schedule they play. Marshall does ok when they play a team that's playing poorly. Recent losses to Hutch, a spanking from Luverne. Worthington scored 3 goals?
Fairmont, Windom, Worthington are all better than they were a year ago.
Redwood has a very small very young team. Goalies not bad
Section 3A's biggest problem is the depth that all of the teams lack. Year after year we see a few talented players come out of the section, but when these teams with the talented players play better teams they can't compete for 3 full periods. My point is that I don't think that talent is why section 3a struggles. I think it is the lack of depth. Anyways, here is my ranking of the top 5 players in section 3A.
Rankings:
1.New Ulm
2. Hutchinson
3. Luverne
4. Marshall
5. LDC
6. Windom
7. Fairmont
8. Worthington
9. Redwood
We can argue rankings until the day we die even though they merit no real value to anyone. They are just something to argue about, and by no means represents what a team is capable of.
I have seen each of my top 5 players play this year, and I am not just basing these rankings off of points as some teams have much easier schedules that others.
Top players
1. Brody Peterson - 27g 16a - 43pts (New Ulm)
With 43 points against the toughest schedule in the section Brody Peterson is clearly the best forward in section 3A. He has 8 goals in the last 2 games against two very good teams. Brody is currently 8th in state for points and 6th in state for goals. Peterson has the best shot in the section in my opinion.
2. Jeff Banal - 8g 25a - 33pts (New Ulm)
According to the hub, many of Peterson's goals have been assisted by Jeff Banal. Also, with 25 assists Banal is currently ranked 7th in state for assists. According to follow the puck, Banal is also ranked 2nd in points for Class A defensemen. Banal and Peterson have the best hands and hockey sense in the section in my opinion.
3. Trace Adams - 6g 10a - 16pts (Hutchinson)
Adams is grinder and has good hands, good speed, and a good shot that make him a difference maker for his team.
4. Dylan Schreckenberg - 7g 18a - 25pts (New Ulm)
Schreckenberg has some of the best boards play in the section. He has attributed greatly to Peterson's success from what i have seen.
5. Max Cowger - 8g 4a - 12pts (Hutchinson)
Points aren't everything. From what i have seen, Cowger appears to be the second best defensemen in the section behind Banal. He is a very solid defensemen that has good hands and good hockey sense. He is also Hutch's leading goal scorer.
Now this list might seem biased to Hutch and New Ulm but Ihave seen every team in the section play except for worthington and redwood and those are the players that stood out to me. [/b]
Rankings:
1.New Ulm
2. Hutchinson
3. Luverne
4. Marshall
5. LDC
6. Windom
7. Fairmont
8. Worthington
9. Redwood
We can argue rankings until the day we die even though they merit no real value to anyone. They are just something to argue about, and by no means represents what a team is capable of.
I have seen each of my top 5 players play this year, and I am not just basing these rankings off of points as some teams have much easier schedules that others.
Top players
1. Brody Peterson - 27g 16a - 43pts (New Ulm)
With 43 points against the toughest schedule in the section Brody Peterson is clearly the best forward in section 3A. He has 8 goals in the last 2 games against two very good teams. Brody is currently 8th in state for points and 6th in state for goals. Peterson has the best shot in the section in my opinion.
2. Jeff Banal - 8g 25a - 33pts (New Ulm)
According to the hub, many of Peterson's goals have been assisted by Jeff Banal. Also, with 25 assists Banal is currently ranked 7th in state for assists. According to follow the puck, Banal is also ranked 2nd in points for Class A defensemen. Banal and Peterson have the best hands and hockey sense in the section in my opinion.
3. Trace Adams - 6g 10a - 16pts (Hutchinson)
Adams is grinder and has good hands, good speed, and a good shot that make him a difference maker for his team.
4. Dylan Schreckenberg - 7g 18a - 25pts (New Ulm)
Schreckenberg has some of the best boards play in the section. He has attributed greatly to Peterson's success from what i have seen.
5. Max Cowger - 8g 4a - 12pts (Hutchinson)
Points aren't everything. From what i have seen, Cowger appears to be the second best defensemen in the section behind Banal. He is a very solid defensemen that has good hands and good hockey sense. He is also Hutch's leading goal scorer.
Now this list might seem biased to Hutch and New Ulm but Ihave seen every team in the section play except for worthington and redwood and those are the players that stood out to me. [/b]
If I were to take players to make an all section team, these would be my players.
Forwards: Brody Peterson(NU), Dylan Schreckenberg(NU), Trace Adams(Hutch), John Raisanen(LDC), Skyler Wenninger(Luv), Bryce Peterson(Mar), Judd Davis(NU), Cody Nielsen(Hutch), Adam Esenminger(Win)
Defense: Jeff Banal(NU), Max Cowger(Hutch), Austin Maxwell(Luv), Matt Campion(Mar), Jed Nikula(LDC)
Goalies: I have no idea
This would be my section team. May or may not like it, but these are the players that have stood out to me
Forwards: Brody Peterson(NU), Dylan Schreckenberg(NU), Trace Adams(Hutch), John Raisanen(LDC), Skyler Wenninger(Luv), Bryce Peterson(Mar), Judd Davis(NU), Cody Nielsen(Hutch), Adam Esenminger(Win)
Defense: Jeff Banal(NU), Max Cowger(Hutch), Austin Maxwell(Luv), Matt Campion(Mar), Jed Nikula(LDC)
Goalies: I have no idea
This would be my section team. May or may not like it, but these are the players that have stood out to me
Until I see the other players I didn't list above compete and perform well against tough opposition, I am going to stick with my list. This section is extremely weak this year and it's not impressive to put up a lot of points when you play weak opposition. I'm sure multiple New Ulm players will record multiple points against Fairmont tomorrow night, but with a 14 to 2 win by new ulm last time they played them it's going to be expected. You can't say any performance by a new ulm player will be "impressive" tomorrow night.
Esinmenger started off the year slow but has come on as of late. Ive seen him play before and I know what he is capable of.
Heres his stat sheet this year:
http://www.mnhockeyhub.com/roster_players/645185
Heres his stat sheet this year:
http://www.mnhockeyhub.com/roster_players/645185
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Bettman's Bender
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Maxwell is a good defenseman. Wenninger, sorry he's just not that good. His numbers are good because they play a piss poor schedule and put up 10 goals a game.Gino87 wrote:What about two juniors from Luverne in Skylar Wenniger and Austin Maxwell?
In all honesty there are not many more than a handful of kids in this section that would even crack varsity for a good metro school. Is anyone watching Duluth East/ Minnetonka. Take notes.
Talent in this section is overall lower even relative to past years.
You can look at points all you want but #7 from Marshall is the most all-around talented player in the section. Can control a hockey game. Usually on the ice for 30 out of 51 minutes in a game.
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hutchtostate
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I would agree with most of these, but have not seen the Luverne kids play. Looking at the hub, they seem to have the easiest schedule. Hard to determine any quality there considering who they play. Seriously lame schedule. I did not see Peterson from Marshall in the last game, so not sure about him either.Cujo wrote:If I were to take players to make an all section team, these would be my players.
Forwards: Brody Peterson(NU), Dylan Schreckenberg(NU), Trace Adams(Hutch), John Raisanen(LDC), Skyler Wenninger(Luv), Bryce Peterson(Mar), Judd Davis(NU), Cody Nielsen(Hutch), Adam Esenminger(Win)
Defense: Jeff Banal(NU), Max Cowger(Hutch), Austin Maxwell(Luv), Matt Campion(Mar), Jed Nikula(LDC)
Goalies: I have no idea
This would be my section team. May or may not like it, but these are the players that have stood out to me
Bender - a little nepotism on #7?? I would rank him in the top three of the section though myself. He is holding Marshall together.
Bender/3A - is this Windom team a threat? They seem to be putting up the W since Christmas...could they be the spoiler? Not sure if there is enough depth.
I would agree with Cujo - I am unsure of a stand out goalie myself...this section playoff could be really surprising. Teams have been up and down all season. Hutch takes another loss today...
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Section 3A HockeyScout
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Hutchtostate-
I love the fact that you rip Luverne's Schedule you know what might help if the teams in their section like Hutch would play them...
You ask about Windom being a possible spoiler you would now more about them if team like Hutch would play them..
Litch, Hutch and New Ulm are whats wrong with this Section
Does Litch really need to play Wadena, Morris Benson, St Peter TWICE!! instead of Teams Like Windom, Redwood, Fairmont
Does Hutch really need to play teams like Monticello, Chaska, St Peter, Shakopee instead of other Section 3A teams
Does New Ulm really need to play Minnehaha, Dodge County, Northfield instead of Section 3A teams.
Dont get me wrong the Wright County is a very good conference but Hutch and Litch some of the non-conference games they pick up make no sense... Blake yes great non conference team I get that but Wadena or Monticello come on!!! So until the Big Three can figure it out and give the rest of Section 3A a chance Dont whine about weak schedules..
Had to vent... The only team that has my respect is Marshall because they are the ONLY team that plays everyone. They should the #1 seed just for that the rest of this Section needs to figure it out.
Bender your Brother #7 is a very good D-man I have enjoyed watching him the Tigers will miss him next year!
I love the fact that you rip Luverne's Schedule you know what might help if the teams in their section like Hutch would play them...
You ask about Windom being a possible spoiler you would now more about them if team like Hutch would play them..
Litch, Hutch and New Ulm are whats wrong with this Section
Does Litch really need to play Wadena, Morris Benson, St Peter TWICE!! instead of Teams Like Windom, Redwood, Fairmont
Does Hutch really need to play teams like Monticello, Chaska, St Peter, Shakopee instead of other Section 3A teams
Does New Ulm really need to play Minnehaha, Dodge County, Northfield instead of Section 3A teams.
Dont get me wrong the Wright County is a very good conference but Hutch and Litch some of the non-conference games they pick up make no sense... Blake yes great non conference team I get that but Wadena or Monticello come on!!! So until the Big Three can figure it out and give the rest of Section 3A a chance Dont whine about weak schedules..
Had to vent... The only team that has my respect is Marshall because they are the ONLY team that plays everyone. They should the #1 seed just for that the rest of this Section needs to figure it out.
Bender your Brother #7 is a very good D-man I have enjoyed watching him the Tigers will miss him next year!
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computerguy
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3a
Not all section 3a teams have a Jv. That being said why would hutch, litch and nu play all the teams?
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SquareWheels
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no commentSquareWheels wrote:Hutchinsons improving soooo much every year by playing such a tough schedule they will probably beat St. Thomas soon. Does your son really like you talking about his team all the time? I think he has enough pressure playing Delano.
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Section 3A HockeyScout
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No I meant what I said playing teams like Monticello record (3-14-1)and Chaska (3-14-0) and Shakopee (4-13-1) are NOT Stronger Teams get rid of those type of non conference teams and get some Section teams.Iranger33 wrote:In order to get better you have to play stronger teams. Hutch has the toughest schedule in the section, why would they play down. Maybe what Mr 3A meant to say was Hutch, New Um, and LDC is what is good about section 3A.
Sorry I had to vent also
Besides that I agree Hutch has a wonderful schedule that gets them ready for the playoffs but they do have some teams that really they don't need to play. That was my point you can play your great schedule and still get in some more common Section teams at the same time..... Right?
But that is just one person's opinion and Hutch has really come around lately I wish you and your son the best of luck as the journey of the season continues!
Well it won't be next year, Hutch is talking about a trip up to the range with Wilmar, then the following year the range teams would come down south to play. MAML, Chaska, and Shakopee are better competition than Luverne, Windom, and Fairmont.Section 3A HockeyScout wrote:No I meant what I said playing teams like Monticello record (3-14-1)and Chaska (3-14-0) and Shakopee (4-13-1) are NOT Stronger Teams get rid of those type of non conference teams and get some Section teams.Iranger33 wrote:In order to get better you have to play stronger teams. Hutch has the toughest schedule in the section, why would they play down. Maybe what Mr 3A meant to say was Hutch, New Um, and LDC is what is good about section 3A.
Sorry I had to vent also
Besides that I agree Hutch has a wonderful schedule that gets them ready for the playoffs but they do have some teams that really they don't need to play. That was my point you can play your great schedule and still get in some more common Section teams at the same time..... Right?
But that is just one person's opinion and Hutch has really come around lately I wish you and your son the best of luck as the journey of the season continues!
You don't need to play all the section teams, you need to fill out your non conference schedule with teams that will be competitive and help you improve.
Thanks for the wishes for Hutch
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hutchtostate
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there is some merit to your argument...I would like to see hutch play Luverne...just to show them some real hockeySection 3A HockeyScout wrote:Hutchtostate-
I love the fact that you rip Luverne's Schedule you know what might help if the teams in their section like Hutch would play them...
You ask about Windom being a possible spoiler you would now more about them if team like Hutch would play them..
Litch, Hutch and New Ulm are whats wrong with this Section
Does Litch really need to play Wadena, Morris Benson, St Peter TWICE!! instead of Teams Like Windom, Redwood, Fairmont
Does Hutch really need to play teams like Monticello, Chaska, St Peter, Shakopee instead of other Section 3A teams
Does New Ulm really need to play Minnehaha, Dodge County, Northfield instead of Section 3A teams.
Dont get me wrong the Wright County is a very good conference but Hutch and Litch some of the non-conference games they pick up make no sense... Blake yes great non conference team I get that but Wadena or Monticello come on!!! So until the Big Three can figure it out and give the rest of Section 3A a chance Dont whine about weak schedules..
Had to vent... The only team that has my respect is Marshall because they are the ONLY team that plays everyone. They should the #1 seed just for that the rest of this Section needs to figure it out.
Bender your Brother #7 is a very good D-man I have enjoyed watching him the Tigers will miss him next year!
the teams should play each other, at least once...it is questionable to add some of the real weak teams to the schedule, but even LDC is having a tough year...after the college degree I will head back to hutch and rework the schedule
Iranger-you are making us look bad in tigertown...keep it clean...we are on the same team and all love the game
hoping i can make it to GAC to watch how this all plays out
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Bettman's Bender
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If you are Hutch and New Ulm Why would you want to play little sisters of the poor teams from the bottom half of 3A? Ok Luverne has 3 or 4 decent players, but honestly they would probably go down by at least 5,6 or uglier.
Chaska, Shakopee, Waconia... those teams believe it or not are stronger than 3A teams..... if you are from luverne. windom. redwood... those other teams hutch plays. are. better. than. you. and there records are horribly lopsided (3-14... etc) humbling isnt it? Look at a map ppl, those towns are closer to Hutch.
Better competition. Closer.... someone remind me why we are even talking about this.
1. NU
2. Hutch
3. Marshall
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Chaska, Shakopee, Waconia... those teams believe it or not are stronger than 3A teams..... if you are from luverne. windom. redwood... those other teams hutch plays. are. better. than. you. and there records are horribly lopsided (3-14... etc) humbling isnt it? Look at a map ppl, those towns are closer to Hutch.
Better competition. Closer.... someone remind me why we are even talking about this.
1. NU
2. Hutch
3. Marshall
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Section 3A HockeyScout
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Greetings Section 3A Followers,
Well I am done bringing up the problem with this Section because as you can see people dont get it.
That being said another interesting week.
Section 3A Ranking (1-22-11)
1. New Ulm Area (9-10-0)
2. Hutchinson (8-8-0)
3. Marshall (11-5-1)
4. L-D-C (5-11-0)
5. Luverne (13-3-1)
6. Windom (8-6-1)
7. Fairmont (5-9-0)
8. Worthington (3-11-1)
9. Redwood Valley (1-17-0)
Section 3A Notes
New Ulm- Brody Peterson might be able to carry this team to a Section Title.
Hutch- Got beat up this weekend by Delano and STMA need to get things back on track.
Marshall- Won two very tight games against Windom & MBA
Litch- has now lost 10 straight games.....
Luverne- Very unimpressive week
Windom- Had Marshall tied 3-3 after 2 periods in Marshall! Then beat a red hot St Peter team. (St Peter beat Litch) Maybe Windom gets the 4 seed?? This team is on the Rise!
Fairmont- Beat Worthington the 2nd time and Redwood Twice got to give them the 7 seed.
Worthington- The 10 player team is competing and doing the best they can with what they got.
Redwood Valley- Have lost 14 straight games.... But looks like they almost beat Luverne yesterday... Not good for Luverne.
I will be honest to do seedings and rankings it would be much easier if teams just played each other. However, looks like things are not going to change.
Will have to let the Playoffs settle the issue!
Good Luck to all teams!
Well I am done bringing up the problem with this Section because as you can see people dont get it.
That being said another interesting week.
Section 3A Ranking (1-22-11)
1. New Ulm Area (9-10-0)
2. Hutchinson (8-8-0)
3. Marshall (11-5-1)
4. L-D-C (5-11-0)
5. Luverne (13-3-1)
6. Windom (8-6-1)
7. Fairmont (5-9-0)
8. Worthington (3-11-1)
9. Redwood Valley (1-17-0)
Section 3A Notes
New Ulm- Brody Peterson might be able to carry this team to a Section Title.
Hutch- Got beat up this weekend by Delano and STMA need to get things back on track.
Marshall- Won two very tight games against Windom & MBA
Litch- has now lost 10 straight games.....
Luverne- Very unimpressive week
Windom- Had Marshall tied 3-3 after 2 periods in Marshall! Then beat a red hot St Peter team. (St Peter beat Litch) Maybe Windom gets the 4 seed?? This team is on the Rise!
Fairmont- Beat Worthington the 2nd time and Redwood Twice got to give them the 7 seed.
Worthington- The 10 player team is competing and doing the best they can with what they got.
Redwood Valley- Have lost 14 straight games.... But looks like they almost beat Luverne yesterday... Not good for Luverne.
I will be honest to do seedings and rankings it would be much easier if teams just played each other. However, looks like things are not going to change.
Will have to let the Playoffs settle the issue!
Good Luck to all teams!
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TheSiouxSuck
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I get whats being said about it being tough to rank teams who do not play each other, but at the same time if you're a semi-competitive school like New Ulm or Hutch, there is absolutely no reason to travel to the southwest corner of the state to play a non conference game against a varsity team that would struggle to compete with an average Bantam A program.
Hell, like 3/4 of those teams dont even have A teams in their youth ranks. I can honestly say I've seen kids from that corner of the state playing a regular varsity shift that have trouble stopping both ways.
Does either team really benefit at all from a lopsided outcome just so rankers jobs can be made a bit easier?
Hell, like 3/4 of those teams dont even have A teams in their youth ranks. I can honestly say I've seen kids from that corner of the state playing a regular varsity shift that have trouble stopping both ways.
Does either team really benefit at all from a lopsided outcome just so rankers jobs can be made a bit easier?