Let me set the table by letting you know by son plays for a middle of the pack AAA team and I have no allegiance to the Machine or Blades organizations. With that said, did anyone see either of the '02 Blades/Machine games this past weekend at Caribou? Man are those kids good.
The Blades outskated and outplayed the Machine on Saturday but the Machine played a solid game on Sunday to win the championship. This will be a fun battle to watch over the years. Blades' kids seemed to better skaters and stickhandlers but Machine played a better system. (forecheck, PP, etc) Just curious if anyone saw any of the action. Some great hockey nontheless. Cheers!
'02 Blades v Machine
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The Huge Hook
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Hook - What's your version of events? How far is "quite a bit"?The Huge Hook wrote:Beautiful first post
I'm sure you are unaffiliated with the 2 teams to be discussed. I know I'd sign-up for the "bored" just to ask this question on a whim
BTW.......Your analysis of the 2 games is quite a bit off the mark.
"I find tinsel distracting"
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The Huge Hook wrote:Beautiful first post
I'm sure you are unaffiliated with the 2 teams to be discussed. I know I'd sign-up for the "bored" just to ask this question on a whim
BTW.......Your analysis of the 2 games is quite a bit off the mark.
Not cool, Hookie. There actually ARE some of us who are merely interested third parties and enjoy the rivalry without having a strong preference for one team or the other. Comments like yours poison the well, and make everyone suspect everyone elses motives all the time.
I lkike your assessment of the two teams though, I think it's right on.
For my part, I think both teams are prone to systemic collapses -- but less so than most other 02 teams I've seen! Also, their goalies are too little !!
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'02 Blades vs. Machine
Huge Hook,
I am going to go out on a limb here and say that you have a son on the '02 Machine. Just a hunch! Anywho, I was told the board or "bored" can be fun at times so yes I actually did join for some fun. And no my son is not affiliated with either team because he isn't good enough to play for either team. Bernie would be proud of your response though!
Like I said, it was some good hockey and there will be some good battles for years to come. Machine needs better skaters/more skill and the Blades need more sand paper and beef.
Have yourself a great rest of the day!
I am going to go out on a limb here and say that you have a son on the '02 Machine. Just a hunch! Anywho, I was told the board or "bored" can be fun at times so yes I actually did join for some fun. And no my son is not affiliated with either team because he isn't good enough to play for either team. Bernie would be proud of your response though!
Like I said, it was some good hockey and there will be some good battles for years to come. Machine needs better skaters/more skill and the Blades need more sand paper and beef.
Have yourself a great rest of the day!
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So did the Blades not play everyone on Saturday (lopped off their bottom 5 players), but played everyone on Sunday? Or are you saying that they changed their roster between Winnipeg and the Caribou (bringing players from other AAA programs)? Did the Machine bring in new players for the Caribou since on the website two kids don't have jersey numbers? Interested in your viewpoint on the roster/playing time philosophy between the two programs.The Huge Hook wrote:Blades:
Small
Fast
Disciplined
Move the puck
Machine:
Bigger
Fast
Puck hogs
Snipers
Very aggressive
Machine won in running time in Winnipeg. Blades won in running time on Saturday (the Blades lopped-off their bottom 5 players). Machine won 4-2 on Sunday in the only game that really mattered.
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Just for fun, I've been kind of mulling the "cultural" differences of the Machine and the Blades. This is just my impression as a complete outsider. Both teams are Big Money, so the differences are kinda moot of course. Still, I think the Machine is more trying to be like a "factory" -- simple cheap uniforms, a focus on repetitive basic skills, a "union" like commitment, loud managers, a real blue-collar hard-hat-and-lunchpail ethos (although see Big Money, above). "Hockey players are made, not born."
The Blades on the other hand seem to have kind of an elite, ethereal vibe. Real country club feeling, Olde Money and NHL bloodlines -- like you know whether you belong or not, no need for a tryout. Wannabees strictly discouraged. Hockey players are born, not made.
I'm sure these impressions are all wrong, but interesting to me anyway. (For example, Blades kids know how to hit just as hard as Machine kids do, and Machine kids have plenty of finesse on the puck.)
The Blades on the other hand seem to have kind of an elite, ethereal vibe. Real country club feeling, Olde Money and NHL bloodlines -- like you know whether you belong or not, no need for a tryout. Wannabees strictly discouraged. Hockey players are born, not made.
I'm sure these impressions are all wrong, but interesting to me anyway. (For example, Blades kids know how to hit just as hard as Machine kids do, and Machine kids have plenty of finesse on the puck.)
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The other difference is you will see a big roster change year to year with the blades, keeping a large bench with the "you get to play 2 of the 4" tourneys, then they play who is hot at the time. Then when the Brick comes they will recruit metro wide even if your son is on the "team" already.Shinbone_News wrote:Just for fun, I've been kind of mulling the "cultural" differences of the Machine and the Blades. This is just my impression as a complete outsider. Both teams are Big Money, so the differences are kinda moot of course. Still, I think the Machine is more trying to be like a "factory" -- simple cheap uniforms, a focus on repetitive basic skills, a "union" like commitment, loud managers, a real blue-collar hard-hat-and-lunchpail ethos (although see Big Money, above). "Hockey players are made, not born."
The Blades on the other hand seem to have kind of an elite, ethereal vibe. Real country club feeling, Olde Money and NHL bloodlines -- like you know whether you belong or not, no need for a tryout. Wannabees strictly discouraged. Hockey players are born, not made.
I'm sure these impressions are all wrong, but interesting to me anyway. (For example, Blades kids know how to hit just as hard as Machine kids do, and Machine kids have plenty of finesse on the puck.)
I was told the machine orange had one 03 practice player skating with the 02's and the whole team plays and travels not just 1/3 of a roster.
Although I suppose this would be good to keep a large amount of kids in the system trying to get the call up...oh and they get your money too...would be a bummer to be the kids that pay and don't play.
In the end of the day, I just hope the kids have fun and learn to work hard and strive to improve !
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Just jackin' with the new guyShinbone_News wrote:The Huge Hook wrote:Beautiful first post
I'm sure you are unaffiliated with the 2 teams to be discussed. I know I'd sign-up for the "bored" just to ask this question on a whim
BTW.......Your analysis of the 2 games is quite a bit off the mark.
Not cool, Hookie. There actually ARE some of us who are merely interested third parties and enjoy the rivalry without having a strong preference for one team or the other. Comments like yours poison the well, and make everyone suspect everyone elses motives all the time.
I lkike your assessment of the two teams though, I think it's right on.
For my part, I think both teams are prone to systemic collapses -- but less so than most other 02 teams I've seen! Also, their goalies are too little !!
Sorry!
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You have waaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy too much time on your hands.Shinbone_News wrote:Still, I think the Machine is more trying to be like a "factory" -- simple cheap uniforms, a focus on repetitive basic skills, a "union" like commitment, loud managers, a real blue-collar hard-hat-and-lunchpail ethos (although see Big Money, above). "Hockey players are made, not born."
The Blades on the other hand seem to have kind of an elite, ethereal vibe. Real country club feeling, Olde Money and NHL bloodlines -- like you know whether you belong or not, no need for a tryout. Wannabees strictly discouraged. Hockey players are born, not made.
Solving all of hockey's problems since Feb 2009.
Both the Blades and Machine have had ups and downs. The Machine seemed to start real strong and then fell into a bit of a lull. They finished very strong winning, like others have said, the game that mattered the most. The Blades seemed to start slow made some tweaks here and there and finished strong. I personally feel the Machine played in the more difficult tournaments though. I wish the Blades would have played in more of the "Elite" tournaments. Nice to see a rivalry forming though!!
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I cannot tell you how much entertainment I get from this board (addicting really) – The whole Made vs. Blades debate is sooo entertaining. I chuckle every time I read the topic on which “8 year old group” is better or who should have the rights to go to the “Brick”, etc…. Having watched the progression in the SW burbs now for the last 10 years, IMHO hockey players are born. Just like any other sport (football, basketball, baseball) the one’s that move one to D1 and beyond have the combination of speed (genetics), eye/hand coordination (genetics), size (definitely genetics). At 8 years old (where the kids are relatively the same size/weight and no muscle mass), you can take “ANY” kid off the street (any nationality), spend over 500 hours on the ice and you will have the best 8 year old team around. THEN puberty hits and the gap closes and closes dramatically – NOW the kid that spent half that time is now rising past the superstar 8 year old. Instead of pounding the chest which 8-9 year old is better, sit back and enjoy the ride, because things will change and “hope” your kid has the “born genetics” to take it to the next level -- Whether it be blades, made, association, or others only 1% will move on to D1/Pro. In the meantime, I am sure made and others will happily take your make-a-dream donations.
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edgeUcated wrote:I cannot tell you how much entertainment I get from this board (addicting really) – The whole Made vs. Blades debate is sooo entertaining. I chuckle every time I read the topic on which “8 year old group” is better or who should have the rights to go to the “Brick”, etc…. Having watched the progression in the SW burbs now for the last 10 years, IMHO hockey players are born. Just like any other sport (football, basketball, baseball) the one’s that move one to D1 and beyond have the combination of speed (genetics), eye/hand coordination (genetics), size (definitely genetics). At 8 years old (where the kids are relatively the same size/weight and no muscle mass), you can take “ANY” kid off the street (any nationality), spend over 500 hours on the ice and you will have the best 8 year old team around. THEN puberty hits and the gap closes and closes dramatically – NOW the kid that spent half that time is now rising past the superstar 8 year old. Instead of pounding the chest which 8-9 year old is better, sit back and enjoy the ride, because things will change and “hope” your kid has the “born genetics” to take it to the next level -- Whether it be blades, made, association, or others only 1% will move on to D1/Pro. In the meantime, I am sure made and others will happily take your make-a-dream donations.
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It's been proven that being the son of an NHL'er doesn't provide you the genetic advantage to also be an NHL'er.
It's starting young. Not 8 but like 4.
"Players are Made, not Born".
This is where MM comes in. Though organized hockey/clinics at 4 isn't available at MM, MM has all the tools going forward. MM has clinics, camps, teams, great coaching and a dryland training facility where you can see some real NHL'ers working out. One stop shopping.
It's starting young. Not 8 but like 4.
"Players are Made, not Born".
This is where MM comes in. Though organized hockey/clinics at 4 isn't available at MM, MM has all the tools going forward. MM has clinics, camps, teams, great coaching and a dryland training facility where you can see some real NHL'ers working out. One stop shopping.
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edgeUcated
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The former NHL'er can then blame it on his wifeJames B Mcbain wrote:It's been proven that being the son of an NHL'er doesn't provide you the genetic advantage to also be an NHL'er.
It's starting young. Not 8 but like 4.
"Players are Made, not Born".
This is where MM comes in. Though organized hockey/clinics at 4 isn't available at MM, MM has all the tools going forward. MM has clinics, camps, teams, great coaching and a dryland training facility where you can see some real NHL'ers working out. One stop shopping.
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Re: '02 Blades v Machine
Are you saying the Machine team has a better coach? Will you invite the Machine coach to be part of the Brick team?fanofthegame11 wrote:Let me set the table by letting you know by son plays for a middle of the pack AAA team and I have no allegiance to the Machine or Blades organizations. With that said, did anyone see either of the '02 Blades/Machine games this past weekend at Caribou? Man are those kids good.
The Blades outskated and outplayed the Machine on Saturday but the Machine played a solid game on Sunday to win the championship. This will be a fun battle to watch over the years. Blades' kids seemed to better skaters and stickhandlers but Machine played a better system. (forecheck, PP, etc) Just curious if anyone saw any of the action. Some great hockey nontheless. Cheers!
Re: '02 Blades v Machine
If you are the brother of a Wcha coach, does that make you great coach as well? Even if that brother doesn't belong in the Wcha.thespellchecker wrote:Are you saying the Machine team has a better coach? Will you invite the Machine coach to be part of the Brick team?fanofthegame11 wrote:Let me set the table by letting you know by son plays for a middle of the pack AAA team and I have no allegiance to the Machine or Blades organizations. With that said, did anyone see either of the '02 Blades/Machine games this past weekend at Caribou? Man are those kids good.
The Blades outskated and outplayed the Machine on Saturday but the Machine played a solid game on Sunday to win the championship. This will be a fun battle to watch over the years. Blades' kids seemed to better skaters and stickhandlers but Machine played a better system. (forecheck, PP, etc) Just curious if anyone saw any of the action. Some great hockey nontheless. Cheers!