Walser/Effects of the D6 Rule on MM

[thespellchecker]

jdbubbs, I appreciate your willingness to try to make all understand your side. At gopherpucklive.com you started your quest noting your father is Mr Hewitt. Doing that here would probably bring more credibility. Something to consider.

[HockeyDad41]

JDUBBS, I have been following your posts, which are mostly negative and insulting. I admire your campaign to defend your friend--or yourself--but, in my humble opinion, you need to work on your people skills. In an earlier post you threatened a poster or two with a slander claim. I think you need to take your own advice. You just called Art Cobb a liar on a public forum. That's defamation! Art submitted a sworn affidavit in a federal court case. You obviously don't know Art--he is a man of integrity. In any event it doesn't matter what you think about Art or his statements. Judge Tunheim, the judge assigned to the lawsuit, determined that Art's affidavit was credible.

Since you claim to be in the know, can you explain why Minnesota Hockey and District 6 did not settle with Minnesota Made during the six-hour settlement conference on July 26th, especially given the fact that Judge Tunheim recently affirmed his earlier ruling and denied another motion by the defendants to dismiss the Minnesota Made lawsuit?

"Negative and insulting"? Please. The ONLY thing I have said in ANY of these threads that comes even close to being "negative" or "insulting" is the blanket statement that people here have a problem with reading comprehension.

And I'm sorry, but that's true. How many times do I have to say that I don't agree with the rule and that I am not here to support it before people quit telling me to give up my fruitless defense of the rule?

Seriously, people should either read what I have to say or don't bother responding. I have a right to be frustrated when people keep arguing points I didn't even make. I even said that I hate politics and I hate this bickering. In fact, I am the one who has been continuously saying that I think there needs to be more communication and less bickering and fighting.

And as for the slander comments, I NEVER threatened ANYONE with a slander suit. Please, show me where I threatened to sue anyone. I merely pointed out that some of the comments I read could be considered slander, and they could. That is a fact.

Definition of slander: Oral or written communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.

I find it funny that you feel justified in pointing out how wrong some of my comments are, but tell me that I cannot point out the fault in the comments of others. How is that right?

And I never called Art a liar. I said, I don't know where he got that from, but his statement to my knowledge is absolutely wrong. Maybe he misunderstood, but I know Brad Hewitt FAR better than he does, and I know he doesn't have it out for Bernie McBain or want to see Minnesota Made destroyed. I believe I said that idea, not Art, was ridiculous. And it is. If you knew Brad Hewitt, you'd know he doesn't have that meanness or tenacity in him. It's not him.

I just wish people would stop throwing blame around blindly. All of the "power grab" and "they are out to destroy Bernie" talk is just flat out wrong. That's not "negative" or "insulting", that is my understanding of the truth.

So please, don't try to play me as the bad guy here. It has been many against one in this discussion, me being the one, and I think I have held my composure quite well if you ask me. More so than those telling me to "give it up" and "give it a rest". Last time I checked, I am entitled to an opinion as much as anyone else.

In regards to your question, as I have said numerous times on this board, from my understanding this rule isn't just the brain child of District 6. So, I don't think it is just their decision to make. As for exactly why they didn't take the settelment offer, I don't know. That is a good question and one that I probably will ask.

I'm going to say a little prayer tonight that when I wake up this thread will be locked.

[Benito Juarez]

Good morning HD41.

[JDUBBS1280]

jdbubbs, I appreciate your willingness to try to make all understand your side. At gopherpucklive.com you started your quest noting your father is Mr Hewitt. Doing that here would probably bring more credibility. Something to consider.

Sorry, I thought that cat was already out of the bag. Yes, he is my father.

[MnMade-4-Life]

First off, I have never once supported the D6 rule in any of the discussions here. I don't like the rule or agree with it and I am not sure how much clearer I can make that. So, not sure how the courts ruling is relevant here. I am not arguing that the rule is right.

What I was objecting to were the accusations that this rule was the brain child of Brad Hewit alone and that the rule was in ANY WAY intended to gain "power" or "control". This, I do know. Not from a third party but from Brad Hewitt and the guys at D6 first-hand. From even before the rule was implemented.

As for Minnesota Made pressuring kids to miss community games and practices, I have heard A LOT of parents and kids talk about that. They say MM did pressure them, you say MM didn't pressure you. I know them, I don't know you. Who would you believe?

And I suppose you think Minnesota Made was just an innocent bystander in all of this, and the big bad guys at D6 just wanted to screw Bernie over. Seriously, what is more believable. That, or the possibility that kids WERE getting pressured to miss games and practices, coaches and other parents were complaining to their associations A LOT, and the associations asked D6 for some help?

Seriously, have you read anything I have said?

No one was getting pressured to miss association hockey.

Says you. There are a lot of people out there who disagree with you.

DUBS, just because you're louder and keep saying it over and over and over and over and over again doesn't make you right. I've read more anecdotal evidence of posters stating that there was not an issue. I'm going to count your story as one even though you continue to state it over and over and over and over. Not saying, just saying.

Let's just accept the fact that ... (wait for it) ... you ... may ... be ... wrong.

[MnMade-4-Life]

jdbubbs, I appreciate your willingness to try to make all understand your side. At gopherpucklive.com you started your quest noting your father is Mr Hewitt. Doing that here would probably bring more credibility. Something to consider.

Sorry, I thought that cat was already out of the bag. Yes, he is my father.

Sorry, but this really is meant in good humor ...

[JDUBBS1280]

jdbubbs, I appreciate your willingness to try to make all understand your side. At gopherpucklive.com you started your quest noting your father is Mr Hewitt. Doing that here would probably bring more credibility. Something to consider.

Sorry, I thought that cat was already out of the bag. Yes, he is my father.

Sorry, but this really is meant in good humor ...

No problem, I have a sense of humor. I am being very genuine in what I say though. Despite the common perception, this rule was never INTENDED to be a persecution of Bernie or Minnesota Made. I hope this all does result in better communication between Minnesota Hockey and Minnesota Made. I think they could probably come to an understanding and Minnesota Hockey and Minnesota Made would be stronger because of it.

[JDUBBS1280]

No one was getting pressured to miss association hockey.

Says you. There are a lot of people out there who disagree with you.

DUBS, just because you're louder and keep saying it over and over and over and over and over again doesn't make you right. I've read more anecdotal evidence of posters stating that there was not an issue. I'm going to count your story as one even though you continue to state it over and over and over and over. Not saying, just saying.

Let's just accept the fact that ... (wait for it) ... you ... may ... be ... wrong.

I am sticking to my guns because I am very confident in what I say. When I haven't been confident on something, I have admitted so.

Let's also accept the fact that I know Brad Hewitt better than any of you do and I know that he has no interest in "power" or "control". He does what he does because he loves Minnesota Hockey and loves helping kids.

I'm not defending the rule, but I do think I am in a position to testify as to what the intentions were behind the rule. That's all I am trying to do. Clarify some misconceptions I have read.

[blueliner2day]

jdbubbs, I appreciate your willingness to try to make all understand your side. At gopherpucklive.com you started your quest noting your father is Mr Hewitt. Doing that here would probably bring more credibility. Something to consider.

Gotta stick up for you on this one Dubbs - doesn't matter if you're Hewitt's son, Hewitt, Luke Skywalker a split personality moniker and argue with yourself or a kid posting on the forum. All should be welcome to express their opinion (even if I did call it finger nails on a chalkboard) - after all, isn't that the point of this forum? It appears announcing who you are doesn't bring you any more credibility with this bunch - look at some of the past responses to Terry Moore!

[royals dad]

DUBS, just because you're louder and keep saying it over and over and over and over and over again doesn't make you right. I've read more anecdotal evidence of posters stating that there was not an issue. I'm going to count your story as one even though you continue to state it over and over and over and over. Not saying, just saying.

Let's just accept the fact that ... (wait for it) ... you ... may ... be ... wrong.

The courts were not deciding right or wrong, and they were not looking out for the best interest of hockey in Minnesota or hockey players in Minnesota. They decided that the rule overstepped the bounds of what District 6 could legally do, but that doesn't put a halo over Bernie's head or over the MM parents heads either. Do you really think that MM is in the choice League business as a supplement to association hockey? Get real, it is Bernie's baby steps into full blown winter hockey. He knows he cant attract kids to a whole season of playing in a 4 team house league. Once he has enough kids then he will make you really choose.

To be very honest with you I hope we have the Minnesota Hockey Association Model for another 100 years. When it comes to Tier 1 and the way the rest of the country does it I am a full out hater. I am bummed that the court battle was lost but it was so be it. As long as you have the jerseys from the 88s hanging in the lobby you can sell the NHL draft dream to enough mom's and dad's that the march towards Bernie's empire is probably inevitable.

[JDUBBS1280]

jdbubbs, I appreciate your willingness to try to make all understand your side. At gopherpucklive.com you started your quest noting your father is Mr Hewitt. Doing that here would probably bring more credibility. Something to consider.

Gotta stick up for you on this one Dubbs - doesn't matter if you're Hewitt's son, Hewitt, Luke Skywalker a split personality moniker and argue with yourself or a kid posting on the forum. All should be welcome to express their opinion (even if I did call it finger nails on a chalkboard) - after all, isn't that the point of this forum? It appears announcing who you are doesn't bring you any more credibility with this bunch - look at some of the past responses to Terry Moore!

Thank you

[JDUBBS1280]

DUBS, just because you're louder and keep saying it over and over and over and over and over again doesn't make you right. I've read more anecdotal evidence of posters stating that there was not an issue. I'm going to count your story as one even though you continue to state it over and over and over and over. Not saying, just saying.

Let's just accept the fact that ... (wait for it) ... you ... may ... be ... wrong.

The courts were not deciding right or wrong, and they were not looking out for the best interest of hockey in Minnesota or hockey players in Minnesota. They decided that the rule overstepped the bounds of what District 6 could legally do, but that doesn't put a halo over Bernie's head or over the MM parents heads either. Do you really think that MM is in the choice League business as a supplement to association hockey? Get real, it is Bernie's baby steps into full blown winter hockey. He knows he cant attract kids to a whole season of playing in a 4 team house league. Once he has enough kids then he will make you really choose.

To be very honest with you I hope we have the Minnesota Hockey Association Model for another 100 years. When it comes to Tier 1 and the way the rest of the country does it I am a full out hater. I am bummed that the court battle was lost but it was so be it. As long as you have the jerseys from the 88s hanging in the lobby you can sell the NHL draft dream to enough mom's and dad's that the march towards Bernie's empire is probably inevitable.

Good post. I definately think D6 could have approached this a little differently and the outcome would have probably been different.

I agree with you that I hope Minnesota Hockey never loses the community-based model that it has now. It is what makes Minnesota Hockey so special. I do think Bernie has a right to operate Minnesota Made, and kids should have the opporunity to suppliment their playing time as they and thier parents feel fit.

As long as it doesn't lead to major conflicts between their association team and their Minnesota Made team, I don't see anything wrong with it. When it starts leading to a lot of missed time and parents and coaches start to get upset, SOMETHING needs to be done.

And let's be honest here. Parents are going to be JUST as upset if it's the coach that's telling them they can't play on the team anymore because they have missed too much time as they would if it were the District.

What the District was trying to do was eliminate the problems BEFORE they happen. After all, if you have a problem with a kid missing a ton of time mid-season, and the coach tells that kid he can't play anymore because of it, now the team is left down a player. That helps NO ONE.

So, if a District-wide rule isn't the answer, let's hear some other solutions that people have as to what would be a proper solution.